OT: WOW Hopefully we can pay players outright soon.
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This is all going to end up in court someday. It will be brutal.
I warned everyone that the NIL arms race would make the nuclear arms race look like a ring toss at a county fair.
I warned everyone that the NIL arms race would make the nuclear arms race look like a ring toss at a county fair.
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Title IX would make playing football players directly problematic. Universities would have to spin off their football teams.
Yep, or leave the NCAA. Yet the commissioner of the B1G keeps insinuating that the B1G is going to start paying players from revenues.... this is a direct shot at the SEC/South. Meaning that the B1G is going to start taking kids in the south for their teams in the north. He can say this because of the advantage they now have in TV revenue.
All Texas has to do is borrow against the endowment and wipe every college and NFL team out. The dude is an arrogant fool but that's what they do up north.
Schools can't pay players directly for NIL. That's still prohibited. If the Big10 plans to use their TV revenue to pay players then the entire conference will be in violation. It's also further complicated by the fact that individual states have their own separate rules when it comes to NIL.
My $0.02 worth.... if college football evolves into semi-pro league, will the number of years one is allowed to play, 4 years, still be allowed? If the players really become employees of the university or otherwise, would this be considered restraint of trade if they aren't allowed to play as long as they made the team? Some players will never make an NFL squad but if NIL makes this lucrative, why not stay at the "collegiate" level for as long as possible?
What if Texas pays better than the NFL? Texas will have more money than the NFL.
Good point.... But if they are only eligible to play 4 years in "college," what happens if they want more?
Congress is likely to step in with some plan to create a uniform set of national NIL rules that all schools and athletes will be required to follow. This will avoid the current issue of having to deal with the different sets of NIL laws at the state level. The problem with this is it means the federal government becomes involved in the regulation of college athletics. That’s a terrible outcome that’s going to make college athletics worse not better.
I don’t think anything needs to be changed right now. Just let the states and the schools figure it out along the way. Getting Congress involved would be the worse thing that happens.
I don’t think anything needs to be changed right now. Just let the states and the schools figure it out along the way. Getting Congress involved would be the worse thing that happens.
I don't really see what's wrong with it right now. Don't want to let the federal government get involved or then it will really go to shit. Keep it regulated at the state level and it will work itself out in due time.
Title IX is a federal civil rights law, even without an NCAA to enforce it, there would be lawsuits aplenty
Just wait until trans women start making claims about their civil rights being violated due to Title IX. That’s going to be delicious to see how these Uber woke universities deal with that.
The NCAA doesn't enforce title IX. The Department of Ed does. You would have to spin off the football team so they aren't student athletes anymore. They would end up being university employees. If you write a specific job description and have a specific pay band you could get around some of the title IX issues. Or you just Liscence the Name and Lease the facilities to an outside corporation and avoid the university issues all together.
The moment those players become university employees, the department of labor gets involved as does the state retirement system. Then a whole sh!tboggle of DOL laws start popping up.
.I'm telling ya'll-- nobody thought this NIL sh!t through.
What am I missing here? I haven't heard anything about the universities paying the players directly. Where is this coming from??
Football is super popular in Big 10 country but they just don't have the homegrown athletes. They just signed a huge deal with Fox, CBS and NBC and poached two schools in the second biggest media market in the country. Paying players directly is coming next.
Here's the problem.
When a check is written BY the school to the players, two things happen.
1. They are now employees of the school. Full stop. This means they must pay into the employee state retirement system. Department of Labor laws now kick in. It will be messy.
2. Title IX-- you give money to the QB, you gotta give money to the softball pitcher too.
You can add a third item - collective bargaining and a special union for college employed athletes.
None of this will happen because the open market right now with NIL is too lucrative. I wouldn't be surprised to see college athletes making more than pro athletes in the near future. It makes sense because college sports like football and basketball generate revenue on par with the NFL and NBA. If I'm an elite college football player I want no changes or regulations for NIL.It's like a new frontier. Just like when the internet was being developed and growing in the early years. The feds for years would salivate over finding ways to regulate and tax commerce transacted via the internet. Thank God they were never successful.
1. Public universities in Texas pay into TRS however not every person is eligible for TRS. It would depend on the job description. If they are eligible they would have to put in 5 years to be vested in the system so most wouldn't be eligible for benefits. Those that are vested and choose to leave their money in TRS wouldn't be able to start receiving benefits until 65. That means the money would be sitting in TRS accounts for over 40 years and would probably end up helping TRS balance sheets.
The Department of Labor isn't much of an issue. All they have to do is make sure the job description and the type of work performed match.
Unions wouldn't be an issue in Texas. The only public employees allowed to unionize in the state are police and fire. They guys at private schools could do it but it couldn't happen in public schools.
2. Title IX could be an issue. Every now and then I have lunch with our title IX guru. Neither or us are attorneys but we both understand the rules and regulations regarding higher ed. This would probably tested but it could possibly stand up. Athletes wouldn't required to be students. They could use the staff educational benifit to attend classes if they chose to. Each position would have to have a specific job description and wouldn't be able to have anything regarding age, gender, etc and posting guidelines would have to be followed. In this case Football players could be employees while volleyball would still be student athletes. I guarantee there are already employment and Title IX attorneys looking at how to do something like this. It might not happen but in the near future there will be college athletes who are employees of the university.
