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Our next coaching hire...

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Regardless of the person, we should not pay anything above 1M per year as well as keeping contracts to a minimum of 3 years or less. Texas is prime job and it seems these large contracts and higher and higher $$$ amounts are giving us less flexibility with coaches. We need flexibility and the ability to take risks with up and coming coaches.... Instead of going big and locking in on a guy, let's go small and give ourselves more flexibility. Once a guy gets too big for his britches and wants more money, hire one of his assistants.... I don't see much difference in these guys outside of Saban and Belicheck.
 
That's just word salad. Even Rutgers pays their new coach more than 2M a year.

Yes, Texas is a plush gig, and with the right HC the program is an easy turn around, but you get what you pay for in the college coaching world. After Schiano left, Rutgers paid some no name 900K a year and the program went from mid-tier to … well, we're now facing a 4-5 year rebuild.

Not a Texas guy, but college football is better when is Texas is good.

Good luck the rest of the year.
 
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That's just word salad. Even Rutgers pays their new coach more than 2M a year.

Yes, Texas is a plush gig, and with the right HC the program is an easy turn around, but you get what you pay for in the college coaching world. After Schiano left, Rutgers paid some no name 900K a year and the program went from mid-tier to … well, we're now facing a 4-5 year rebuild.

Not a Texas guy, but college football is better when is Texas is good.

Good luck the rest of the year.


That could be an AD problem.... now that's the person to pay. Perrin is not the guy for the job. Baseball coach search was a disaster. If you need an ambulance chaser, he's your man.
 
If Herman doesn't work out, what direction do you go? I just don't see many proven folks out there besides Saban and Myer. Well, Briles, but don't see him as an option at Texas. I bet he would do it for 1M though.
 
Regardless of the person, we should not pay anything above 1M per year as well as keeping contracts to a minimum of 3 years or less. Texas is prime job and it seems these large contracts and higher and higher $$$ amounts are giving us less flexibility with coaches. We need flexibility and the ability to take risks with up and coming coaches.... Instead of going big and locking in on a guy, let's go small and give ourselves more flexibility. Once a guy gets too big for his britches and wants more money, hire one of his assistants.... I don't see much difference in these guys outside of Saban and Belicheck.

So you think you can get a really good head coach offering less than 1 mil per year with no more than a 3 year contract?
 
Does Briles deserve a 2nd chance? Our country seems to be a country of 2nd chances.
I haven't investigated the situation at Baylor from Briles perspective (what happened, what did he know, what should he have known, what actions did he take, what actions did he fail to take?). We're his actions so egregious that he shouldn't be hired at Texas? Or...do people feel that his name is tied to the rape scandal because he was Head Coach at Baylor when the rape scandal occurred-and that is enough to eliminate him from discussion?
 
Does Briles deserve a 2nd chance? Our country seems to be a country of 2nd chances.
I haven't investigated the situation at Baylor from Briles perspective (what happened, what did he know, what should he have known, what actions did he take, what actions did he fail to take?). We're his actions so egregious that he shouldn't be hired at Texas? Or...do people feel that his name is tied to the rape scandal because he was Head Coach at Baylor when the rape scandal occurred-and that is enough to eliminate him from discussion?
They didn't hire Briles when they had the chance in 2013 so I doubt seriously they are going to consider him now, especially with the enormous baggage.
 
Dumb comment, who can recruit Louisiana Like Miles ? Between Texas and Louisiana recruits, he could field a powerful team. He averaged 10 wins a year.
 
They didn't hire Briles when they had the chance in 2013 so I doubt seriously they are going to consider him now, especially with the enormous baggage.
My understanding is that Briles wanted to be hired on the spot, no interview by the search committee. That's what eliminated him. His ego.
 
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Does Briles deserve a 2nd chance? Our country seems to be a country of 2nd chances.
I haven't investigated the situation at Baylor from Briles perspective (what happened, what did he know, what should he have known, what actions did he take, what actions did he fail to take?). We're his actions so egregious that he shouldn't be hired at Texas? Or...do people feel that his name is tied to the rape scandal because he was Head Coach at Baylor when the rape scandal occurred-and that is enough to eliminate him from discussion?
Briles would be a great hire in my opinion.
 
Les Miles demonstrates poor game management, stubbornness to change the scheme to fit his players talents, and an inability to win big games. At Texas, Stoops would become his Saban and we would not make the playoffs. We would be like the Texas teams that always won 10 games, lost to Stoops, and lost the Holiday Bowl each year (2000-2002?).
 
Les Miles demonstrates poor game management, stubbornness to change the scheme to fit his players talents, and an inability to win big games. At Texas, Stoops would become his Saban and we would not make the playoffs. We would be like the Texas teams that always won 10 games, lost to Stoops, and lost the Holiday Bowl each year (2000-2002?).

Agree. Texas can do better than Les Miles. For all the talk about how Saban was standing in the way of LSU success, I'm not sure that LSU wins the conference the last few years without Saban. Most of Miles success at LSU came when the conference was not as strong as it is now.

Miles is also 62 years old. Not exactly the right age to be starting a new gig at a big school with high expectations.
 
Does Briles deserve a 2nd chance? Our country seems to be a country of 2nd chances.
I haven't investigated the situation at Baylor from Briles perspective (what happened, what did he know, what should he have known, what actions did he take, what actions did he fail to take?). We're his actions so egregious that he shouldn't be hired at Texas? Or...do people feel that his name is tied to the rape scandal because he was Head Coach at Baylor when the rape scandal occurred-and that is enough to eliminate him from discussion?
If nothing else I wish UT would interview him so we could get the whole story once and for all. You succinctly summarized the issue from those that want to believe in Briles - was he in the wrong place at the wrong time, and his crime is he failed to see the burning ship around him and take action, or did he actively participate in a cover up/collusion with police. If the latter, then he's toast anywhere. If the former, then anyone's image can be rehabilitated. Probably a little too close to the fire for UT to be truly interested. But then again, put forth the defensive effort of last weekend a few more times and anything is possible.
 
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Has anyone seen JLhorns? He was just chastising everyone for ever doubting Strong and pulling up threads from a year ago showing his genius by fully endorsing all things Strong. No big deal usually but he needs to eat a little crow in my opinion.
 
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Briles??? Are you guys kidding me? Imagine what happened at Baylor... but on a 100x bigger stage because it's Texas. And whether he knew every detail about what was going on or not, he clearly knew some of it based on actions that he and his staff took. The reports indicate that he and/or his staff met with victims to try to deal with the situation rather handling it properly through the appropriate legal or administrative channels. Whatever else went on, there's no way to really spin that as a good thing.

Second chances? I mean, yes and no. I do believe that someone who actually shows remorse for a situation and does what it takes to move on with being a better person deserves a chance at having a good life again. But in no way is Briles at risk of having a horrible life because he isn't coaching for a top tier football school a year after being canned for, at best, allowing things to get out of control and looking the other way and trying to cover them up (because even if he somehow didn't know any of the issues that came up as they originally came up, he certainly knew well before the rest of the world did). And should someone be rewarded for all the stuff that they looked the other way on at Baylor... by getting an even better job immediately?

Come on guys, we're talking about a situation where young women's lives were affected in ways that you'll never understand. Look, I love Longhorn football, but have a sense of perspective here. Football isn't THAT important that the reaction should be, "how many situations of rape occurred under his watch? oh well. can he win here?"

The fact of the matter is, I'm sure that he'll get his second chance. I'd imagine it will probably be somewhere where the image of the program isn't as big a deal. He'll start there and, if he wins games (and doesn't let things get so out of hand) then he'll work his way back up to a higher level job. Because, yeah, in most people's mind... football IS that important. I mean look at situations across the NFL that people just seem to shrug off. But I'd prefer not to have to just shrug off my morality to root for whoever is in burnt orange. If it were 6 years from now and his program at Kent State or Florida Atlantic was being run cleanly... that might be different. But it's not. And luckily, I think the powers-that-be probably care about the image of the program enough to not consider Briles an option right now.
 
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Not a Texas fan but have tons of respect for the Longhorn program and tradition. It's just not college football without Texas in the top 10.

That being said....Tom Herman HAS to be the guy if Strong is let go. What he did at Iowa State, Ohio State, and now Houston is reason enough. Throw in the fact he's young, full of piss and vinegar, and can flat out recruit with the best of them. UT will be in the national conversation within 2 years if Herman is hired.

Back up a Brink's truck to his house if necessary, but get the deal done.
 
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Who we hiring for a non-guaranteed 3 year @ 1mm per contract? Todd Dodge?

LMAO

Tom Herman has all the power! Minimum will be 5 million for 5 guaranteed, minimum!
If you pay your new coach less than your last coach you're subliminally saying to the new coach "you're not as good as our last coach".......
 
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If you pay your new coach less than your last coach you're subliminally saying to the new coach "you're not as good as our last coach".......


And what's wrong with that? This out of control overpaying for mediocrity has to stop somewhere.... We need to re-align our expectations with the salaries paid. I think CS is doing what we asked him to do. He is currently in the toughest spot in the re-building process. Not many upper class men and lots of learning on the job. If he survives, Texas will be good in the not too distant future but we are self destructing with the high expectations and the high salaries. Tone it down in all aspects.
 
I'm going to give an out of the box suggestion here. What about making Sterling Gilbert the HC? We all agree he's proven to be a very solid OC putting up 40+ points in each game, and changing OC's could really hurt the development of your young QB. We also all agree he's going to be an HC

Now I get the reasoning for wanting a Tom Herman or a proven HC like that. However there is president for a move like this.

Bob Stoops was a DC at Florida before taking the OU job
Dabo Swinny had never been a HC
Jumbo Fisher wasn't an HC before getting the FSU job
Jim Tressel had coached at Youngstown state before getting the OSU job
David Shaw had never been an HC
Chip Kelly hadn't been a D1 HC

I'll give you that it would be a large step up, but if we're going to take a chance on a guy(and that's what Herman would be) why not take a chance on our own guy?

Something to consider.
 
I'm going to give an out of the box suggestion here. What about making Sterling Gilbert the HC? We all agree he's proven to be a very solid OC putting up 40+ points in each game, and changing OC's could really hurt the development of your young QB. We also all agree he's going to be an HC

Now I get the reasoning for wanting a Tom Herman or a proven HC like that. However there is president for a move like this.

Bob Stoops was a DC at Florida before taking the OU job
Dabo Swinny had never been a HC
Jumbo Fisher wasn't an HC before getting the FSU job
Jim Tressel had coached at Youngstown state before getting the OSU job
David Shaw had never been an HC
Chip Kelly hadn't been a D1 HC

I'll give you that it would be a large step up, but if we're going to take a chance on a guy(and that's what Herman would be) why not take a chance on our own guy?

Something to consider.


Ryan, I hear ya. Another radical thought would be to let CS stay for the extent of his contract and let the chips fall where they may. Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing at all. I tend to be contrarian and go against the willing flock. Don't get me wrong, I can't stand ESPN and Herbstriet but I do like CS and think he can lead us to 10+ win seasons. Doing things the right way is difficult and takes time.
 
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I beleive if he gets to 8 wins he should get year 4. I'm just saying. Don't rule out a guy who doesn't have big time coaching expierence. Sometimes those work out the best
 
I'm going to give an out of the box suggestion here. What about making Sterling Gilbert the HC? We all agree he's proven to be a very solid OC putting up 40+ points in each game, and changing OC's could really hurt the development of your young QB. We also all agree he's going to be an HC

Now I get the reasoning for wanting a Tom Herman or a proven HC like that. However there is president for a move like this.

Bob Stoops was a DC at Florida before taking the OU job
Dabo Swinny had never been a HC
Jumbo Fisher wasn't an HC before getting the FSU job
Jim Tressel had coached at Youngstown state before getting the OSU job
David Shaw had never been an HC
Chip Kelly hadn't been a D1 HC

I'll give you that it would be a large step up, but if we're going to take a chance on a guy(and that's what Herman would be) why not take a chance on our own guy?

Something to consider.

It's an interesting thought, but I'll counter with a thought on this: look, most of the "proven commodities" are already in programs that they're pretty comfortable in at the moment, so most of the realistic candidates that I've heard mention have a risk or potential lack of experience in some way that would relate to a jump to being the head coach at a program like Texas. And yeah, I've liked how Gilbert has handled the offense so far this season. I'm also someone who would be both excited but mixed about the idea of hiring someone like Herman who... in many ways... feels like he has a similar resume to Charlie Strong (although he has a stronger tie to Texas from the get go). But, compared to the jumps that most of the coaches above, a jump from Tulsa OC to Texas HC in about a years time total (or less if you do it during the season)... this would probably be a much bigger jump. If I were to look at doing that or hiring Herman... Herman is still a risk, but the jump isn't nearly so far so quickly.

I'm not saying no. But I'm saying, I think I'd need to hear someone who knew him better than any of us know him tell us that he's not just an x's and o's guy, but that he can actually handle the administrative aspects of being a HC at a program like Texas.

So... not "no"... but definitely not a call I'd feel at all comfortable making based simply on the fact that our offense has improved. And not something I'd make based on what a random Longhorn fan knows about the guy. There are a lot more things that go into being a HC than x's and o's (or more good coordinators would make great head coaches).
 
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