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Our next coaching hire...

Sumlin still to this day has zero conference championships on his resume.
He also beat no on at U of H. Herman has a way better resume than Sumlin in less than 2 years there. Aggy as well as others are scared of the hire. They know he would crush it there.
 
He also beat no on at U of H. Herman has a way better resume than Sumlin in less than 2 years there. Aggy as well as others are scared of the hire. They know he would crush it there.
Many of you thought Strong would crush it there also. Hell you guys were "back" remember after beating Notre Dame? Strong had an incredible resume too. We heard how Strong had done more than Sumlin as well, and now look where that "resume" got him. This isn't about Sumlin. I voiced my concerns about Sumlin. This is about Herman and whether or not he is a good fit. I told you I think Peterson is a better option. Hell Petrino is a better option. Peterson is legit. Herman you have no idea what you are getting. Everything doesn't have to come back to Sumlin or A&M.
 
Strong may still crush it here. HE has 7 games to keep his job.


While he's not making an excuse out of the youth, the youth doesn't set you up for immediate success. The best players will play and so be it if they're mostly underclassmen, 8-9 on defense to be exact.

He had seasoned veterans his first year on defense.
 
Strong may still crush it here. HE has 7 games to keep his job.


While he's not making an excuse out of the youth, the youth doesn't set you up for immediate success. The best players will play and so be it if they're mostly underclassmen, 8-9 on defense to be exact.

He had seasoned veterans his first year on defense.

You mean Mack's guys? ;)
 
Needed him to lose, It didn't matter who the loss came from. He needs to be available in December versus Post New Years 6 if that's who they go after.

Houston wasn't going to win them all this year and Navy was picked to give them fits.

They dropped one to Uconn last year as well. As for his ass handed to him, it was 46-40, Navy had 382 total yards and played the possession game.

That loss doesn't phase me if they want to give him a shot, Hell, Sumlin went 5-7 at Houston at one point and y'all think he's God.

Houston lost the turnover battle 3 to none....That will cost you a game.

His two losses as a HC are by a combined 9 points while he has wins of 3 points over Louisville, 3 points over Cincy, and 1 point over Memphis. Strange logic, one game now makes a coach.

Not to mention Navy had 459 yards of offense and scored 31 points last year but lost the TOP game and turnover margin last year....Dat's how football go.
Sumlin a God? Umm, no. You have never heard that from me. I've said last year I was on the fence with him and after the season I said I was off the fence and didn't like the way he handled games. He is not a good game manager. I still think he ends up with 3 losses this year, and that to me is a failed season with the talent they have on this team. If we win 10 games I will be ok with it, but if we go 9-3 and lose all 3 to Ole Miss, Alabama and LSU then I'm going to be pissed because it doesn't matter what you do against everyone else, it will always come down to those 3 games at least while Ole Miss is currently doing well the past few years.
 
Strong may still crush it here. HE has 7 games to keep his job.


While he's not making an excuse out of the youth, the youth doesn't set you up for immediate success. The best players will play and so be it if they're mostly underclassmen, 8-9 on defense to be exact.

He had seasoned veterans his first year on defense.
Now there's a glass half full!
 
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You mean Mack's guys? ;)
Hicks couldn't stay healthy for Mack the 6th year linebacker, Q the dawg Diggs layin' wood as a senior, Cedric Reedy roo, Big mo'fo Malcolm Brown fo the double teamin'. Yup, Macks dudes, more importantly Seniors or redshirt juniors. Thompson became a new player under Strong as well in his Senior year.

When your starting defense is:
SDE Omenihu True Soph
NT Nelson RS Soph
DT Ford Jr
Fox Hager True Soph
SLB Freeman RS Soph
MLB Jeferson True Soph
WLB Wheeler True Soph
CB Davis True Soph
FS Hall Jr
SS Vaccaro SENIOR nuttin like his bro
CB Hill True Soph
Nickle Jones True Fresh


It kinda makes you go DAMN! I've settled back in to a calm realization that I had this team picked to go 7-5 this season and had them at 2-3 at this point, flip Cal and ND.

He may not survive his roster flip and the next coach will be walking into a great situation, but there are still 7 games to play!
 
I'm going to give an out of the box suggestion here. What about making Sterling Gilbert the HC? We all agree he's proven to be a very solid OC putting up 40+ points in each game, and changing OC's could really hurt the development of your young QB. We also all agree he's going to be an HC

Now I get the reasoning for wanting a Tom Herman or a proven HC like that. However there is president for a move like this.

Bob Stoops was a DC at Florida before taking the OU job
Dabo Swinny had never been a HC
Jumbo Fisher wasn't an HC before getting the FSU job
Jim Tressel had coached at Youngstown state before getting the OSU job
David Shaw had never been an HC
Chip Kelly hadn't been a D1 HC

I'll give you that it would be a large step up, but if we're going to take a chance on a guy(and that's what Herman would be) why not take a chance on our own guy?

Something to consider.
No way
 
Hicks couldn't stay healthy for Mack the 6th year linebacker, Q the dawg Diggs layin' wood as a senior, Cedric Reedy roo, Big mo'fo Malcolm Brown fo the double teamin'. Yup, Macks dudes, more importantly Seniors or redshirt juniors. Thompson became a new player under Strong as well in his Senior year.

When your starting defense is:
SDE Omenihu True Soph
NT Nelson RS Soph
DT Ford Jr
Fox Hager True Soph
SLB Freeman RS Soph
MLB Jeferson True Soph
WLB Wheeler True Soph
CB Davis True Soph
FS Hall Jr
SS Vaccaro SENIOR nuttin like his bro
CB Hill True Soph
Nickle Jones True Fresh


It kinda makes you go DAMN! I've settled back in to a calm realization that I had this team picked to go 7-5 this season and had them at 2-3 at this point, flip Cal and ND.

He may not survive his roster flip and the next coach will be walking into a great situation, but there are still 7 games to play!

He's got to go 7-5 first, and pegging the team to not b very good is not a justification that he's on schedule it just means that you are smart in realizing they aren't very good.

If he's on some sort plan that's on schedule then he's the first coach in the history of college football to execute that plan at this level because no one else in a major program has ever come back from the hole he's in.
 
He may not survive his roster flip and the next coach will be walking into a great situation, but there are still 7 games to play!

With 10 starters back on D, and a solid young QB - this will be a GREAT job for someone next year if a change is made, without even factoring in the recruiting advantage of Austin, the University, etc.
 
Really Spur is correct ( not the first time I ever said that)..I also have to wonder how much of an impact Vaughn leaving has had. Was he that good a coach?..Strongs guys turned around the defense when they first got here....all of a sudden they could tackle. Those coaches also had put a lot of guys into the League Did they all of a sudden forget how to coach?

......and another thing...there is a difference between a guy not having enough talent to play the game and a guy too young to know how to use his talent. Dont give me this..".are you now saying these guys arent any good?"...
 
I don't think the navy game matters all that much. I know the narrative is "oh how can you lose to Navy". But navy is actually a solid program who can be a tricky opponent because of their style.

I'm on recored as saying I think there are coaches equally as qualified who we should consider. However the navy game doesn't hurt his stock any imo

Chip Kelly
John Harbaugh
Tom Herman

Those are my top 3.
 
I don't know what Chip would want, but I know that Texas is a better job than Oregon and no amount of Nike Money will compare to coaching at Texas vs. coaching at Oregon. USC is a legit job and one that compares to Texas in every way. However, USC is a private school with limited resources while Texas has no limit to what we can offer.

Have no fear, if our job comes open and Chip is open to coming back to college Texas will be at the top and he will be very high on our list.
 
Strong may still crush it here. HE has 7 games to keep his job.


While he's not making an excuse out of the youth, the youth doesn't set you up for immediate success. The best players will play and so be it if they're mostly underclassmen, 8-9 on defense to be exact.

He had seasoned veterans his first year on defense.

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Really Spur is correct ( not the first time I ever said that)..I also have to wonder how much of an impact Vaughn leaving has had. Was he that good a coach?..Strongs guys turned around the defense when they first got here....all of a sudden they could tackle. Those coaches also had put a lot of guys into the League Did they all of a sudden forget how to coach?

......and another thing...there is a difference between a guy not having enough talent to play the game and a guy too young to know how to use his talent. Dont give me this..".are you now saying these guys arent any good?"...
Oldhorn, you usually have well thought out, no nonsense, no excuse making posts, this post, however, is not one of them. The fact is Mack's talent was better than what Charlie has brought in on defense. Regardless of what some of the constant Strong defenders say, there was plenty of talent to work with when Strong arrived. It's understandable to defend a coach here and there but to continue to just try to blame things on his predecessor years after he's gone is just... well... retarded. You're better than that, or at least in the past you have been.....
 
Hicks couldn't stay healthy for Mack the 6th year linebacker, Q the dawg Diggs layin' wood as a senior, Cedric Reedy roo, Big mo'fo Malcolm Brown fo the double teamin'. Yup, Macks dudes, more importantly Seniors or redshirt juniors. Thompson became a new player under Strong as well in his Senior year.

When your starting defense is:
SDE Omenihu True Soph
NT Nelson RS Soph
DT Ford Jr
Fox Hager True Soph
SLB Freeman RS Soph
MLB Jeferson True Soph
WLB Wheeler True Soph
CB Davis True Soph
FS Hall Jr
SS Vaccaro SENIOR nuttin like his bro
CB Hill True Soph
Nickle Jones True Fresh


It kinda makes you go DAMN! I've settled back in to a calm realization that I had this team picked to go 7-5 this season and had them at 2-3 at this point, flip Cal and ND.

He may not survive his roster flip and the next coach will be walking into a great situation, but there are still 7 games to play!
Texexspur you like Strong and defend him at all costs, I get that. If you look at how he has handled and mishandled ALL of the staff changes in his short 2 full years as the Head coach of your team, do you think it's possible to concede that some folks may not think that he actually is making the right calls with players and personnel either? Is it possible he is not as good at talent evaluation as you think he is? I see a lot of people bitching about Charlie having certain people playing out of position or playing the wrong position. Your MLB for one. What say you?
 
I'm all for change, In the same breath...I've always wanted Strong to be successful and you're a F@%$ing idiot if you or anyone thought this season set up for a big run.

I predicted 7-5, he would have to rub out 5 of the next 7 to hit that mark. IF, He does... he's likely back.
 
I'm all for change, In the same breath...I've always wanted Strong to be successful and you're a F@%$ing idiot if you or anyone thought this season set up for a big run.

I predicted 7-5, he would have to rub out 5 of the next 7 to hit that mark. IF, He does... he's likely back.
I don't think many share your hope that your team can hope to reach the 7-5 mark, IN HIS 3RD YEAR
 
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Is that your prediction or your expectation? Is this arc reasonable to you as a Texas fan? Keeping in mind that there is almost no path to support that a coach with this kind of start has led that program to championship levels. Rebuilds like this don't happen in college football.
 
Good God, I predicted this season would not be any better than 7-5, the team is too young. Show me a team in the history of CFB this young that has ever done much.

The other young defense in the Big 12, TCU...Yep struggling like all hell with a DC as their HC.

I expect them to get better, but I also get the game. Most of the logical folks I discuss the topic with were and have always been looking at year four as the true barometer.

If he wins 5 of the next 7 games, I think he's back. Simple as that.

I'm not optimistic the he does and have said as much on this board. I'm going to lmao when the fire him and screw up the next hire.
 
Many of you thought Strong would crush it there also. Hell you guys were "back" remember after beating Notre Dame? Strong had an incredible resume too. We heard how Strong had done more than Sumlin as well, and now look where that "resume" got him. This isn't about Sumlin. I voiced my concerns about Sumlin. This is about Herman and whether or not he is a good fit. I told you I think Peterson is a better option. Hell Petrino is a better option. Peterson is legit. Herman you have no idea what you are getting. Everything doesn't have to come back to Sumlin or A&M.
Let me slam on the brakes while shifting into reverse. Soooooo much wrong with this post.

"Many of you thought strong would crush it"- not clob.
"You guys are back after beating ND...." clob said "we'll have to wait and see how ND does in the next few games.
"Strong had an incredible resume"--- his lack of resume was the #1 reason I didnt want him and joined this site to vent.
"Strong has done more than sumlin"--- well, technically, he has. He has a conference title and a BCS win....... that's more than sumlin has.....
This is the LAST time I will say this for all the stoooopids out there---- ready? Peterson IS NOT nor will he EVER leave the PNW. His child is SICK and the FAMILY LOVES the doctor treating his child. Chris Peterson will NEVER leave his child's doctor. Ever- ever- ever (for aggys that can't read that means NO).
 
I don't know what Chip would want, but I know that Texas is a better job than Oregon and no amount of Nike Money will compare to coaching at Texas vs. coaching at Oregon. USC is a legit job and one that compares to Texas in every way. However, USC is a private school with limited resources while Texas has no limit to what we can offer.

Have no fear, if our job comes open and Chip is open to coming back to college Texas will be at the top and he will be very high on our list.
I don't think Texas being a "better job" matters all that much to Kelly. He seems like the type that thinks he can win anywhere. I'd say he's just as likely to go back to Oregon as he would be to come to Texas. He's just a different guy from everything I've read. Not saying he wouldn't come. Just saying it's not the lock you think
 
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