Yeah I hear ya. I'll say this. Texas has the ability to go out and buy him a staff specifically on defense. That will at least help the transition. So that would help him. You are right we'd need to have a better hold on weather he could handle the other stuff but I suspect from what I've read about him most feel he can. I just don't think trying to lure this years big name is necessarily the way to go
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Navy is a team that can give any team fits. It's not often that no one has ever seen what you do. These days though Navy has that advantage
"you get what you pay for in the college coaching world." Uh, we are paying CS 5 mil, tell me what we are getting???
Sean Payton
Mike McIntyre
Dan Mullen
Gus Malzahn
Brian Harsin
Justin Fuente
Kevin Wilson
Just some names I don't see being thrown around that have done some incredible jobs with their program(s).
I'm still holding out hope that some miracle will occur and Charlie Strong will start to show improvement however.
Mike McIntyre
Dan Mullen
Gus Malzahn
Brian Harsin
Justin Fuente
Kevin Wilson
Just some names I don't see being thrown around that have done some incredible jobs with their program(s).
I'm still holding out hope that some miracle will occur and Charlie Strong will start to show improvement however.
Strong is done. 13-17? Mack got fired for a 30-21 record over 4 years after going to the national title game in the 2009 season. The probability of Strong obtaining a 30-21 record, to even match the one that got Mack fired, is HIGHLY unlikely. Strong was hired to do better, not worse, and not the same.
He isn't winning 8. The math says he would have to win 5 out of the remaining 7. That isn't happening with us spotting opponents 45 plus offensive points/game.
As a Buckeye, I see a name at that list that you guys might want to take a serious look at - Kevin Wilson of Indiana IF Strong is let go, The guy just gives us fits every year and does more with less than any coach in the Midwest. Think about that - he coaches AT INDIANA and gives OSU fits every year. He's eventually going to land at a big-time program so why not you guys ? You can tell that Urban has a ton of REAL respect for the guy.
I like a lot of those names. Kevin Wilson would be an interesting guy. As would Brain Harsin, and Justin Fuente. All 3 guys to be honest have resumes I'd put up against Herman.
Actually the more I look at Harsin I think if you are going to consider Herman you have to strongly consider Harsin.
34-11 overall coaching recored at Bosie and ark state
27-6 at Bosie
Two conference titles
2-0 in bowl games
Currently coaching a top 15-20 team
Former Texas OC so knows the routine
And had the opportunity to work under both Chris Peterson and Mack
Not sure Harsin shouldn't get as much consideration as Herman
34-11 overall coaching recored at Bosie and ark state
27-6 at Bosie
Two conference titles
2-0 in bowl games
Currently coaching a top 15-20 team
Former Texas OC so knows the routine
And had the opportunity to work under both Chris Peterson and Mack
Not sure Harsin shouldn't get as much consideration as Herman
The Herman rage has been somewhat puzzling. Yes, I realize that he's done a great job at Houston but he's only in his 2nd year and I believe he needs to prove himself another year or two (I'll probably get jumped on for that statement). I do know, however. Herman has a big-time offensive mind.
I wouldn't mind Herman at all. I just wouldn't make it a foregone conclusion there are others who deserve Brian Harsin.
I think the Tom Herman rage is in part due to the fact that he's doing it in state. I suspect that if Herman and Harsin switched jobs everyone would want Harsin back
I think the Tom Herman rage is in part due to the fact that he's doing it in state. I suspect that if Herman and Harsin switched jobs everyone would want Harsin back
I haven't seen Harsin since he left Texas but good grief his offense was awfully gimmicky during his tenure at UT.
He didn't have a real QB. I mean Case McCoy and David Ash not gonna get you to far. Chris Peterson was gimmick like at Bosie to. Do things a little different there. Peterson adapted obviously. I'm sure Harsin could as well.
I know that is a reality bud...but one can still hope.
What about the names I threw in there?
Not ignoring you. But it's pointless to put those names out there to stir the pot until the time us right. Remember the pot stirring that happened around Nick Saban?
Probably one of the reasons Saban didn't leave bama---- he hates media attention off the field.
The dudes I want are the same.
Probably one of the reasons Saban didn't leave bama---- he hates media attention off the field.
The dudes I want are the same.
Truth be told, I kind of feel like most of the buzz that seems to come up around our program when it comes to "we're firing him!" "not in mid-season!" "he's our guy!" "he's definitely gone!" "Herman is definitely the guy if we want him!" is potentially harmful to the program, especially when it seems like some of the sources for such info is the big money Texas boosters who want to kind of push the change along. At the very least it doesn't let the coaching staff, new or old, or the UT athletic department control the narrative for recruiting purposes and keeping the players already on campus together. But beyond that, I think it adds to the idea that things down here are a bit of a circus and that there are going to be too many chiefs trying to run things in any case.
I understand any UT fan's frustration with how our on the field production has been. The way we looked in the two previous games, and the defensive statistics in this game all point to a situation where we're not just losing games that we've fought hard in with sound strategy. It's clearly bigger than that. But I want whatever happens to make things better and not give the future of the program new hurdles to overcome.
Well then these names should be names that will blow us all the way then. So what you are saying is these guys are old school?
They aren't "old". But yes, they are "old school". One is such an alpha dog that I've never actually seen him mad on the sidelines. He just gives people a "look"---- and they know they've fvcked up. His silence speaks volumes.
My brother is a huge VT fan and I told him Fuente was going to be a great coach and I still believe that.
Yes,Briles has proven he is very good football coach but how would he be received from the mothers of recruits and they do play a role in recruiting.Fair or Unfair Briles is tainted in college circles and best look at the pros.Then again, one of the few coaches out there that could rebuild Texas football.He is also in his 60's now.
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I'd rather give the job to Gilbert and let him grow than I would hire Briles
From everything I've read Herman wants the job, and the boosters want him. I think it's all but a done deal. Even if Strong won out i think they'd find a way to part ways some how.
Don't believe everything you read. If you can't stop Navy then how are you going to stop the offenses in the Big 12? Thanks but no thanks. Give me a proven HC or let Charlie come back one more year.
I don't think the navy game matters all that much. I know the narrative is "oh how can you lose to Navy". But navy is actually a solid program who can be a tricky opponent because of their style.
I'm on recored as saying I think there are coaches equally as qualified who we should consider. However the navy game doesn't hurt his stock any imo
Texas would NEVER hire Briles. He is more than damaged goods. Miles is a hasbeen with nothing in the tank. Herman is LSUs top choice and may be hired before Texas gets a shot. The list gets shorter.
Needed him to lose, It didn't matter who the loss came from. He needs to be available in December versus Post New Years 6 if that's who they go after.
Houston wasn't going to win them all this year and Navy was picked to give them fits.
They dropped one to Uconn last year as well. As for his ass handed to him, it was 46-40, Navy had 382 total yards and played the possession game.
That loss doesn't phase me if they want to give him a shot, Hell, Sumlin went 5-7 at Houston at one point and y'all think he's God.
Houston lost the turnover battle 3 to none....That will cost you a game.
His two losses as a HC are by a combined 9 points while he has wins of 3 points over Louisville, 3 points over Cincy, and 1 point over Memphis. Strange logic, one game now makes a coach.
Not to mention Navy had 459 yards of offense and scored 31 points last year but lost the TOP game and turnover margin last year....Dat's how football go.
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Who are we supposed to hire that's never lost a game? There isn't a coach out there on our realistic possibility list that doesn't have major question marks.
