potential replacements (if...)

[ryan_sublett]

So it is looking like Tom Herman is the guy. I have no solid information except Charlie Strong has a closed door meeting with Perrin, and then many of our players start following Tom Herman on Twitter.

Might mean nothing, or it might mean we have our man.

Yep. I said last week. The boosters want Herman and Perrin is a booster in the AD chair so unless he says no Herman was going to be the guy.

I don't mind Herman think he will be a solid coach. I can't help but think though the only reason he's "the guy" is because he's doing what he's doing in state. Not sure that's how this decision should be made

 

[RoboCocks21]

So it is looking like Tom Herman is the guy. I have no solid information except Charlie Strong has a closed door meeting with Perrin, and then many of our players start following Tom Herman on Twitter.

Might mean nothing, or it might mean we have our man.

Man....I'm not sold till the fat lady sings

 

[clob94]

I haven't seen Ketch's list, but it would be interesting to see. Who all do you think are realistic candidates?

MM-- I hadn't seen his list either until a buddy of mine sent me the list......

But he's got my number 1 candidate listed as his number 1...................

Coincidence?

 

[Cotton #12]

A few thoughts, in my opinion, of guys who have been mentioned:

David Shaw - isn't going to leave Stanford, and if he does, it would be to the NFL
Art Briles - Texas isn't going to consider him due to his issues at Baylor
Mike Leach - Texas isn't going to consider him
Chris Peterson - can't see him leaving Washington. He was supposed to be the heir apparent to Mack Brown, but I understand he was turned off towards Texas the way Harsin was treated
Urban Meyer- isn't going to leave OSU
Gary Patterson - isn't going to leave TCU
Mike Tomlin - isn't going to leave Pittsburgh
Jim Harbaugh - isn't going to leave Michigan
Jimbo Fisher - don't think he will leave FSU. The only job he might leave for is LSU
Bobby Petrino - same situation as Briles
Dabo Swinney - isn't going to leave Clemson
Dana Holgorson - Texas isn't going to consider him
Sean Payton - isn't going to leave New Orleans
Bill O'Brien - Texas isn't going to consider him

So, if that is the case, as mentioned above, then who are realistic candidates?

Brian Harsin
John Harbaugh
Hugh Freeze
Larry Fedora
Gus Malzahn
Kyle Willingham
Tom Herman
Mike Gundy
Chip Kelly

We have to be realistic. Texas isn't going to go out and hire just anyone who they want. I think we learned that the last go-round. There could be some candidates that I didn't list, but that is probably a pretty good, realistic list. Feel free to add more names or comments.

Hook'em!

Now who on your list can recruit Texas and has done well because that is where 90% of the players at Texas are from? I see two on your realistic choices.

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

Now who on your list can recruit Texas and has done well because that is where 90% of the players at Texas are from? I see two on your realistic choices.

I've been thinking of it similarly as well but... did Mack or Charlie have particularly strong Texas connections before they began as head coach at Texas? And I mean, whatever else you want to say about either of them, they both have had success keeping Texas athletes here. I guess Coach Strong needed a year or so before it got to a point where he was beating out other coaches for in-state recruits. Mack was known as a great recruiter and did most of his recruiting from Texas over his time here. It seems more natural that Texas should hire a guy with Texas roots if there's one available, but it seems like if if you're a good recruiter you can make the Texas connections anyway, doesn't it?

 

[Cotton #12]

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I've been thinking of it similarly as well but... did Mack or Charlie have particularly strong Texas connections before they began as head coach at Texas? And I mean, whatever else you want to say about either of them, they both have had success keeping Texas athletes here. I guess Coach Strong needed a year or so before it got to a point where he was beating out other coaches for in-state recruits. Mack was known as a great recruiter and did most of his recruiting from Texas over his time here. It seems more natural that Texas should hire a guy with Texas roots if there's one available, but it seems like if if you're a good recruiter you can make the Texas connections anyway, doesn't it?

Maybe,Mack was a special cat and rare in human relationships and recruited some great players to Texas.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I've always thought the Texas recruiting aspect was overrated. Charlie strong had no Texas recruiting ties and has been a recruiting machine. If you can recruit you can do it anywhere. Texas kids want the same thing Florida, and California kids want. Not to mention programs like Texas, Bama. Ohio State recruit themselves on some level.

If John Harbaugh comes in I'm sure he's going to put some recruiters on staff. Might even keep some of the current staff around. If it's Herrman, Harsin, or Malzahn very little doubt they'll recruit well

 

[clob94]

Guys, TEXAS recruits itself. You have "good" recruiting coaches and you have "great" recruiting coaches here. Even a "good recruiting" coach will have success. Look at Mackoprick. Terrible human being, would be car bombed by 95% of the players that ever played for him- but, he recruited enough talent to win 3 conference titles in a row. 3. Brown won 2........ 2 total. 05, and 09.

Let that sink in. Brown won 2 conference titles in 16 years..... Mackoprick won 3 in 6. A blind monkey swinging from a tree can recruit here. Some guys can do it better than others, obviously. Harbaugh, even though he's not FROM Texas, has a recruiting advantage. It's shiny, gold, and filled with diamonds, and he wears it on his finger.

 

[LonghornMM]

MM-- I hadn't seen his list either until a buddy of mine sent me the list......

But he's got my number 1 candidate listed as his number 1...................

Coincidence?

Who is your number one candidate?

 

[ryan_sublett]

Guys, TEXAS recruits itself. You have "good" recruiting coaches and you have "great" recruiting coaches here. Even a "good recruiting" coach will have success. Look at Mackoprick. Terrible human being, would be car bombed by 95% of the players that ever played for him- but, he recruited enough talent to win 3 conference titles in a row. 3. Brown won 2........ 2 total. 05, and 09.

Let that sink in. Brown won 2 conference titles in 16 years..... Mackoprick won 3 in 6. A blind monkey swinging from a tree can recruit here. Some guys can do it better than others, obviously. Harbaugh, even though he's not FROM Texas, has a recruiting advantage. It's shiny, gold, and filled with diamonds, and he wears it on his finger.

Pretty much this. Head coaches don't do much recruiting anyway. They just kinda seal the deal in most cases. Assts are doing most of the bard work

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

Who is your number one candidate?

He's been teasing it for a while and not actually saying it. I guess anyone with access to Ketchum's list could figure it out at this point...? I'll be the first to admit, despite being a really opinionated person on a lot of things (Longhorn-related or otherwise), I don't really know who I'd be looking at right now. There are some interesting names on lists popping up on here and elsewhere, but no one that seems like the "obvious choice" to me (like what happened with Michigan). Chalk me up as someone who'd be totally supportive if Herman got the job, but who feels really unsure about what it is that's supposed to set him apart from being basically a Charlie Strong style hire, only with a shorter track record. About the only thing that I see is the Texas connection... and as has been mentioned, plenty of coaches from elsewhere have recruited this state just fine, so....

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Here are my top 3 in no order.

John Harbaugh
Chip Kelly
Sean Payton

Notice none are college coaches, that's because I don't see a single college coach who is available that I would want.

Of course none of this means much as I now think the Job has already been given to Tom Herman, but no announcement has been made so we shall see moving forward.

 

[RoboCocks21]

I'm liking the John Harbaugh idea a lot. Now that gets me excited and having Ray Lewis visit from time to time hyping up our guys.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Here are my top 3 in no order.

John Harbaugh
Chip Kelly
Sean Payton

Notice none are college coaches, that's because I don't see a single college coach who is available that I would want.

Of course none of this means much as I now think the Job has already been given to Tom Herman, but no announcement has been made so we shall see moving forward.

I'm curious. Why do you view chip Kelly has a sure thing, but not Gus Malzahn? Very similar resumes

Malzahn has a 41-18 coaching recored
Kelly 46-7
Both have a national title game loss on their resume

And Malzahn has tougher competition to get through than Kelly did. Just curious your thoughts on that

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I'm curious. Why do you view chip Kelly has a sure thing, but not Gus Malzahn? Very similar resumes

Malzahn has a 41-18 coaching recored
Kelly 46-7
Both have a national title game loss on their resume

And Malzahn has tougher competition to get through than Kelly did. Just curious your thoughts on that

Chip has had to do it at Oregon, an out of the way place in a state that produces a limited amount of talent. He has had to hone his recruiting skills in order to bring in the talent he needs to compete on a national level. Malzahn is at Auburn, he just has to recruit.

Chip for what he accomplished on the college level at Oregon earned it much more than Gus has, and Gus got that trip to the Championship game by getting real lucky in the Iron bowl.

Some are concerned about the show cause thing. I wouldn't be; like I said, if Chip were to come to Texas there would never be a need to utilize the services of that Lyle guy.

 

[CoachEmUp64]

Recipe for the perfect coach:
1 Dash- Lombardi
1 Sprinkle- Landry
1 Part- Bryant
1 Cup- Urban Myer
And a little pinch- Chip Kelly

 

[EWNHorn]

I'm done trying to pick coaches! I didn't think Mack was a good hire and he won a natty and played for another. I liked the Strong hire and we have a losing record during his run. Sooooooooooooo.............I'm just going to read ya'lls posts and hope we get the right guy!

 

[clob94]

Fly the jet to Baltimore. Time your landing with the arrival of the Wells Fargo stage coach. Ride the stage coach right up to the Ravens facility. Have dudes dressed in old western outfits carrying shotguns. March up to the team office carrying a money bag with a contract that offers this:

10 years and $100 million in base pay
$5 million in annual incentives
1.5% ownership in the LHN
24/7 private jet fueled on the tarmac for work or personal use
Statue if you win a natty
Gold plated statue if you win 2
Solid gold statue if you win 3
Helicopter ride to and from home every day for work (Austin traffic sucks)
Casino in Vegas named after you if you beat baby bro for a natty

 

[oldhorn2]

at last!....a clue

 

[westx]

Recipe for the perfect coach:
1 Dash- Lombardi
1 Sprinkle- Landry
1 Part- Bryant
1 Cup- Urban Myer
And a little pinch- Chip Kelly

And mix it altogether with the main ingredient of Saban.

 

[DC3.0ppg]

NFL coaches' retirement packages are much, much more loaded than any college job. the benefits to stay there are strong

 

[clob94]

NFL coaches' retirement packages are much, much more loaded than any college job. the benefits to stay there are strong

My superior math skills tell me that if he took the package I proposed he would gross 120-125 million over 10 years..................

Call me crazy but--- fvck retirement--- you could by your own country and crown yourself king.

 

[EWNHorn]

Clob..........who ends up with this job? On the reals.............

 

[nklemons]

Why are Jim Tressel and David Cutcliffe never mentioned? Cutcliffe won at Ole Miss in the murderer's row that is the SEC West and also turned around Duke's laughing stock of a football program.
Tressel dominated the Big 10 for a decade. He has had to handle the pressure of a high profile program. I guarantee he could take this team and win 10 games next year and have Texas in the hunt for a Big XII conference title. If you're worried about his past, I suggest the administrators at UT spend a little less time worrying about safe spaces and keep the program on a tight leash. You know, by actually doing their jobs.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Why are Jim Tressel and David Cutcliffe never mentioned? Cutcliffe won at Ole Miss in the murderer's row that is the SEC West and also turned around Duke's laughing stock of a football program.
Tressel dominated the Big 10 for a decade. He has had to handle the pressure of a high profile program. I guarantee he could take this team and win 10 games next year and have Texas in the hunt for a Big XII conference title. If you're worried about his past, I suggest the administrators at UT spend a little less time worrying about safe spaces and keep the program on a tight leash. You know, by actually doing their jobs.

Nice try troll

 

[nklemons]

Nice try troll

How is what I wrote trolling? Whether it's this forum or the actual "war room" where the decision is made, group think settles in quickly, and viable candidates don't even get mentioned much less considered. Before you know it, everyone is nodding in agreement that the best guy available is the one that ESPN happens to love.
Chip Kelly - Took over the reins for an Oregon team that had several winning seasons, and basically kept it rolling. He never had to rebuild a dumpster fire that has underperformed for the better part of a decade.
Tom Herman - Group think media consensus. See Charlie Strong.
John Harbaugh - Riding his brother's coattails. Never really worked for those who bought into the Stoops family.

How's this for trolling?
Mike Leach - better than those 3
Art Briles - better than those 3
Nick Saban - Long shot but better than those 3
Pete Carroll - Long shot but better than those 3

 

[Pumpedup55]

Fly the jet to Baltimore. Time your landing with the arrival of the Wells Fargo stage coach. Ride the stage coach right up to the Ravens facility. Have dudes dressed in old western outfits carrying shotguns. March up to the team office carrying a money bag with a contract that offers this:

10 years and $100 million in base pay
$5 million in annual incentives
1.5% ownership in the LHN
24/7 private jet fueled on the tarmac for work or personal use
Statue if you win a natty
Gold plated statue if you win 2
Solid gold statue if you win 3
Helicopter ride to and from home every day for work (Austin traffic sucks)
Casino in Vegas named after you if you beat baby bro for a natty

Cool idea. Too bad he's not coming here and we won't offer that much to any candidate.

 

[ryan_sublett]

NFL coaches' retirement packages are much, much more loaded than any college job. the benefits to stay there are strong

NFL coaches don't need retirement packages these days. The bottom get paid 3.5 million. Harbaugh would come here for 7+

 

[clob94]

Cool idea. Too bad he's not coming here and we won't offer that much to any candidate.

We wouldn't offer that much? You sure about that? You 100% positive about that?

We've never offered a coach that sort of money before?

 

[clob94]

How is what I wrote trolling? Whether it's this forum or the actual "war room" where the decision is made, group think settles in quickly, and viable candidates don't even get mentioned much less considered. Before you know it, everyone is nodding in agreement that the best guy available is the one that ESPN happens to love.
Chip Kelly - Took over the reins for an Oregon team that had several winning seasons, and basically kept it rolling. He never had to rebuild a dumpster fire that has underperformed for the better part of a decade.
Tom Herman - Group think media consensus. See Charlie Strong.
John Harbaugh - Riding his brother's coattails. Never really worked for those who bought into the Stoops family.

How's this for trolling?
Mike Leach - better than those 3
Art Briles - better than those 3
Nick Saban - Long shot but better than those 3
Pete Carroll - Long shot but better than those 3

With all due respect-- Harbaugh has a superbowl ring. They don't hand those out to just anybody. And he won that ring in gut wrenching fashion over his little brother. It doesn't get much tougher than having to beat your brother in the biggest game in BOTH your careers. That makes for some uncomfortable Xmas get togethers.

Harbaugh us a VERY viable candidate who, and most people don't realize this, is captivated by the college landscape. On the sidelines last year during the Maryland vs michigan game, Harbaugh came out on the sidelines with baby bro and was in AWE of the atmosphere. Several times during the game he and baby bro would be shown on the sidelines yucking it up and you could read big Bros lips. "This is unbelievable...." I saw him say at least 3 times. He was blown away by the passion. The pageantry in college dwarfs that of the pros. The emotion as well. The Harbaugh clan are suckers for emotional juice. Trust me, if we play it right, he's at the end of his contract in Baltimore, we make him an offer he can't refuse-- we will rock the college football landscape to its core.

Look what baby bro has done in just 1.5 seasons at michigan.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Keep in mind to. The Harbaugh's dad was a college coach and their brother in law is Tom Creen the head basketball coach at Indiana. So the idea that john would go to college isn't insane.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Chip Kelly - Took over the reins for an Oregon team that had several winning seasons, and basically kept it rolling. He never had to rebuild a dumpster fire that has underperformed for the better part of a decade.
Tom Herman - Group think media consensus. See Charlie Strong.
John Harbaugh - Riding his brother's coattails. Never really worked for those who bought into the Stoops family.

1. Kelly is widely considered one of the top offensive minds in the sport. He has a fantastic eye for talent, as he was one of the few who offered Manzel as a QB.

2. Tom Herman is also a solid candidate but is still very much an unknown.

3. John Harbaugh - your opinion shows just how foolish you are. John would be a grand slam hire.

 

[diadevic]

John Harbaugh - Riding his brother's coattails.

WTH? You think little bro wouldn't trade places for that Super Bowl ring? 8 full seasons under his belt, with 7 winning records and 6 playoff berths? 10-5 career playoff record?

 

[Pumpedup55]

With all due respect-- Harbaugh has a superbowl ring. They don't hand those out to just anybody. And he won that ring in gut wrenching fashion over his little brother. It doesn't get much tougher than having to beat your brother in the biggest game in BOTH your careers. That makes for some uncomfortable Xmas get togethers.

Harbaugh us a VERY viable candidate who, and most people don't realize this, is captivated by the college landscape. On the sidelines last year during the Maryland vs michigan game, Harbaugh came out on the sidelines with baby bro and was in AWE of the atmosphere. Several times during the game he and baby bro would be shown on the sidelines yucking it up and you could read big Bros lips. "This is unbelievable...." I saw him say at least 3 times. He was blown away by the passion. The pageantry in college dwarfs that of the pros. The emotion as well. The Harbaugh clan are suckers for emotional juice. Trust me, if we play it right, he's at the end of his contract in Baltimore, we make him an offer he can't refuse-- we will rock the college football landscape to its core.

Look what baby bro has done in just 1.5 seasons at michigan.

John harbaugh would be a great hire. I don't see it happening. Has an NFL HEad coach with a super bowl win ever go from NFL to college ranks before?

 

[Son of Wasatch]

John harbaugh would be a great hire. I don't see it happening. Has an NFL HEad coach with a super bowl win ever go from NFL to college ranks before?

I think there was a Packer coach that left the Packers for Notre Dame. I think he won a lot of games for them.