If it was indeed a forward pass by Russell at the end of the game, why was intentional grounding not called? I didn't notice a receiver anywhere near the play.
question on malik's recalled TD
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The way the game was called, I don't think the refs knew what state they were in. Bad calls against both teams. Poorly called game.
No one said it was a forward pass they said his "Forward Progress" had been stopped. Probably even more absurd. He was still trying to get free of Malik's grasp.
What did I miss on the helmet to helmet on Seth Russell? It didn't cost us the game (or maybe it did because we settled for a field goal!), but -- the refs took 10 minutes to review and made no call. Was it crystal clear, or am I missing something? And before you pile on, bad call on Jefferson touchdown, and bad call on giving BU its first (or 2nd) TD to the dog beater - he was clearly down.
I didn't think helmet to helmet was enforceable if the QB became a running back. I though it only applied to defenseless receiver or a QB behind the line of scrimmage or sliding. I am confused. If it was eligible, then I can't figure out how they didn't call it.
Targeting can be called for a hit on any player if you lead with the crown of the helmet, whether they are defenseless or not. That should have been targeting on the Seth Russell hit, but the replay official didn't seem to understand the rule.
We had a similar hit against A&M on a kickoff. Our guy destroyed Speedy Noil. It should have been targeting because he led with the crown of his helmet, but the replay official said it wasn't targeting because Noil wasn't considered defenseless.
Russell was speared by the defender's crown of the helmet, which is a fowl.
Not on that play... he lost control of what appeared to be a forward lateral and the ball never was close enough to the line of scrimmage. They were well behind it.
What type of fowl? Gamefowl, Waterfowl, Landfowl?
I thought he was going to get tossed, but I didn't think it was intentional. He was obviously leading with his shoulder by watching him lean and throw his arms. It was unfortunate that he hit a ducking QB in the facemask.
We should be happy they used some common damn sense...
I would've understood if he ever had gotten beyond the line of scrimmage, he never got within 3 yards of it. The incomplete pass call on the option pitch fumble was also a farce.
Odd... I thought when they mentioned "forward progression," the announcers were referring to Russel's arm going forward with an incomplete pass. Given his demonstrated running abilities throughout the game, there should have been no reason to believe he was down so quickly by Malik grabbing his jersey and pulling him back. On the other hand, an incomplete pass stops the play right there.
I think ref meant forward progress as a runner was stopped.
If they are going to blow the whistle that fast, they should do it on all running plays including the rugby scrums that have become the norm.
I know I'm old school, but really, football is becoming painful to watch.
If they are going to blow the whistle that fast, they should do it on all running plays including the rugby scrums that have become the norm.
I know I'm old school, but really, football is becoming painful to watch.
Yea, it is getting painfully ridiculous, especial the targeting crap...what you think is targeting is not and what is not targeting is. The simple fact they can review a targeting that is not called by a ref 3 feet away is B.S no matter what team is playing. The moment they start reviewing pass interference that is not called on the field like targeting is the moment I am done with CFB.
Don't show up to work wearing a pink suit and a green hat that you stole from Alice in Wonderland and you won't have to be afraid of anything.
Dude looked like a west LA pimp.
the ref closest to the play called it an incomplete forward pass. It looked more like what they call an empty hand fumble, where a QB loses the ball then tries to push it forward. He started losing control of the ball and tried to make a desperation shovel but it went backwards.
There was no whistle to blow the play dead for forward progress.
All it really did was give them one more chance at a hail mary, but it was a terrible call
There was no whistle to blow the play dead for forward progress.
All it really did was give them one more chance at a hail mary, but it was a terrible call
I don't remember anything about a pass. I heard forward momentum stopped. Not sure why that counts though bc the QB wasn't running forward, he was scrambling backwards/sideways looking for a throw. Malik made the play of the game and he should've been able to keep that scoop n score.
Just watched it in Tivo:
"The ruling on the field, was that there was forward progress, before the quarterback threw the ball."
The rules call it forward progress to refer to stopping forward progress. It's vague and a judgment call when the runner never had any forward progress from the time he is held by the opposing player. And what does it mean to be held? If you've got one hand on him, is that holding the player?
And the ref was wrong about Russell throwing the ball. He had it in his hand, precariously, and his right arm was pinned by Malik. He was beginning to trip, and couldn't hold onto the ball. It flipped up.
What happened:
Breckyn Hager (44) pressures Seth Russell. To escape, he (17) leaves the pocket, running forward to his left, toward the near sideline. Malik Jefferson (46) steps forward in front of Seth and breaks down, waiting. Russell changes direction, running directly to the sideline. Malik moves in for the kill. Before Malik touches Russell, he (17) changes direction again -- he angles away and starts running slightly backward. Malik begins to connect, and they are both running together towards Baylor's end zone. Malik is pinning Russell's right arm, so he (17) can't wrap up the ball. He's (17) starting to trip. Before he goes down, the ball flips up.
It seems pretty clear that this was a fumble and TD by Malik.
Other officiating bungles:
* Tyrone Swoopes' fumble was recovered by Baylor first, and somehow awarded to Texas. It looked like Swoopes managed to take it away before the zebras arrived.
* The fumbled pitch by Seth to Shock Linwood (?) in the first quarter ruled an incomplete pass. It was a pitch backwards, not a (forward) pass. The upstairs officials were right to let this call stand, however, since there wasn't a good enough angle to overrule it.
* The upstairs officials should have ruled Baylor receiver down at the 0.5 yard line, instead of a TD, in the 1st Q.
* All the seconds that kept being added. I mean, let the game end, unless the people running the clock are cheating. That didn't appear to be the case.
* Why the review with 2 seconds left (changed to 3 seconds left)??? There's only time for one more play, so it doesn't matter if it's 1st down or 4th.
Charlie Strong didn't come away clean, either:
* Calling TO before the half, when Baylor is driving. Wow, that was stupid. Nice gift to Baylor there, Coach Strong!
"The ruling on the field, was that there was forward progress, before the quarterback threw the ball."
The rules call it forward progress to refer to stopping forward progress. It's vague and a judgment call when the runner never had any forward progress from the time he is held by the opposing player. And what does it mean to be held? If you've got one hand on him, is that holding the player?
And the ref was wrong about Russell throwing the ball. He had it in his hand, precariously, and his right arm was pinned by Malik. He was beginning to trip, and couldn't hold onto the ball. It flipped up.
What happened:
Breckyn Hager (44) pressures Seth Russell. To escape, he (17) leaves the pocket, running forward to his left, toward the near sideline. Malik Jefferson (46) steps forward in front of Seth and breaks down, waiting. Russell changes direction, running directly to the sideline. Malik moves in for the kill. Before Malik touches Russell, he (17) changes direction again -- he angles away and starts running slightly backward. Malik begins to connect, and they are both running together towards Baylor's end zone. Malik is pinning Russell's right arm, so he (17) can't wrap up the ball. He's (17) starting to trip. Before he goes down, the ball flips up.
It seems pretty clear that this was a fumble and TD by Malik.
Other officiating bungles:
* Tyrone Swoopes' fumble was recovered by Baylor first, and somehow awarded to Texas. It looked like Swoopes managed to take it away before the zebras arrived.
* The fumbled pitch by Seth to Shock Linwood (?) in the first quarter ruled an incomplete pass. It was a pitch backwards, not a (forward) pass. The upstairs officials were right to let this call stand, however, since there wasn't a good enough angle to overrule it.
* The upstairs officials should have ruled Baylor receiver down at the 0.5 yard line, instead of a TD, in the 1st Q.
* All the seconds that kept being added. I mean, let the game end, unless the people running the clock are cheating. That didn't appear to be the case.
* Why the review with 2 seconds left (changed to 3 seconds left)??? There's only time for one more play, so it doesn't matter if it's 1st down or 4th.
Charlie Strong didn't come away clean, either:
* Calling TO before the half, when Baylor is driving. Wow, that was stupid. Nice gift to Baylor there, Coach Strong!
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I hate the targeting being an ejection. 15 yds, but an ejection on the 2nd one. In this case, it did look like targeting, but damn. QB starts to slide and if he did, defender goes right over him. Instead he straightens back up and bam. What's worse is a receiver catches the ball and the defenders going for the chest to knock it out. Instead the receiver tries to get down and you get a helmet to helmet. Defenders are put in really difficult positions because it's not like they are hitting a stationary object.
Yet there never was any forward progress to stop. He started running backwards before being touched by Malik.
That was actually a good call by the upstairs crew, since they didn't call it targeting.
As someone who has actually had a concussion and traumatic brain injuries (from football, pole vaulting and just being a boy/brother), I appreciate the rule changes. It makes the sport different than we remember it, but that's a good thing.
The alternative is to have no football at all. We can't have pee-wee, MS and HS players getting life-altering injuries that impact their livelihoods and families -- as I did --from a dangerous sport while their parents and classmates watch, and coaches egg them on to "be a man." An 8 year old signing up for pee-wee has no way to understand what kind of choice he is making, and what he's risking, especially since the entire community is OK with it. (Had I made a different choice, myself, I could be serving my family and country a lot more significantly than I am now.)
