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Recruiting Thread 2017

I was asking because an article I read from the 247Horns staff writers was pretty critical of Charlie in recruiting for '17 & '18. They have them ranked 43rd with only 7 commits, only four 4* & three 3* ? Most of the major programs have 13-17 guys by now. They (247) are predicting a class well outside the top 20 in '17 & said '18 already got off to a rough start.

Was wondering if you agree with their assessment or not? Seems like people are happy with his recruiting here?

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I disagree with this view. Charlie has been aboutthe finish and not early recruits.... If you check out previous classes they started off much lower than they finished.. and I believe he has finished inside the top 20 with all his classes at Texas and maybe even top 10..... too early to say the 17 and 18 classes wont fill out yet.
 
I disagree with this view. Charlie has been aboutthe finish and not early recruits.... If you check out previous classes they started off much lower than they finished.. and I believe he has finished inside the top 20 with all his classes at Texas and maybe even top 10..... too early to say the 17 and 18 classes wont fill out yet.

Way too early for '18.
For '17 most programs get the guys they "need" to get my now. Then they go after the guys they "want" during the season on official visits. I think they are critical because Charlie missed out on some "needs" and is hoping for a lot of "wants."
 
Way too early for '18.
For '17 most programs get the guys they "need" to get my now. Then they go after the guys they "want" during the season on official visits. I think they are critical because Charlie missed out on some "needs" and is hoping for a lot of "wants."

Not the case at all.

Charlie had about the same number of commitments for 2016 at this time last year and the year before, and people were predicting room each time. Just look at the commitment dates on the lists for each year.
 
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I guess we will find out? I assume Texas' goal is to be elite (always top 10, challenge for CFP), so they need to recruit that way obviously. Only time will tell.
 
Charlie will close late with a large number of elite recruits just as he always does, assuming we win enough games for his job not to be in jeopardy. That's just the way he does it.

In the meantime, though, I expect to lose at least two of our current commitments, one as a direct consequence of our unexpected gains from Baylor's self-destruction (or UT's conspiracy with the media to being Baylor down, if you ask Baylor fans). National writers will really start freaking out then.
 
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I guess we will find out? I assume Texas' goal is to be elite (always top 10, challenge for CFP), so they need to recruit that way obviously. Only time will tell.
You guess? Coach Strong has done well. He doesn't pressure the kids into committing. He tells them to enjoy the recruiting process and your visits. Most coaches doesn't allow that. I like his style. He's not afraid to go after the top rated kids. We will be alright. Other schools need to worry about holding onto their kids because if Strong wants them and they visit, it's a wrap.
 
I guess we will find out? I assume Texas' goal is to be elite (always top 10, challenge for CFP), so they need to recruit that way obviously. Only time will tell.
The truth is THIS is how Strong does it. I was one of the fans that thought Texas was screwed for 2 years in a row...I was wrong 2 years in a row. He recruits till the last day......and even after like this year. Strong is a closer and he has been since he has been a HC even at Louisville.
 
You guess? Coach Strong has done well. He doesn't pressure the kids into committing. He tells them to enjoy the recruiting process and your visits. Most coaches doesn't allow that. I like his style. He's not afraid to go after the top rated kids. We will be alright. Other schools need to worry about holding onto their kids because if Strong wants them and they visit, it's a wrap.

It's a wrap? Okay.
 
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The truth is THIS is how Strong does it. I was one of the fans that thought Texas was screwed for 2 years in a row...I was wrong 2 years in a row. He recruits till the last day......and even after like this year. Strong is a closer and he has been since he has been a HC even at Louisville.

To be fair he didn't recruit late, Baylor fell apart. If they don't, those kids aren't at Texas. Not his problem, that's Baylor's problem, but he can't count on that each year. And he desperately needs 8-9 wins to help. Five Star kids who aren't life-long Texas guys (like Jefferson) aren't going to flock to a 6-6 team. His '14 class are in their third year now under him, so they need to perform. At a school like Texas you can't say "wait til next year" three years in a row. You know this. The first game of the year they are playing a sophomore dominant team also. So youth can't be an excuse. Not at Texas.
 
That's a little harsh Farley....You realize that he was hired about a month before signing day for that '14 class. That one hardly counts. As far as the comment about him closing late......that's a reference to the fact that until signing day, one has no idea how many will sign with Texas.....2 years in a row. Baylor signees had nothing to do with that . Myself, I would prefer a little less drama, but I have been happy with the results.
 
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To be fair he didn't recruit late, Baylor fell apart. If they don't, those kids aren't at Texas. Not his problem, that's Baylor's problem, but he can't count on that each year. And he desperately needs 8-9 wins to help. Five Star kids who aren't life-long Texas guys (like Jefferson) aren't going to flock to a 6-6 team. His '14 class are in their third year now under him, so they need to perform. At a school like Texas you can't say "wait til next year" three years in a row. You know this. The first game of the year they are playing a sophomore dominant team also. So youth can't be an excuse. Not at Texas.

Two points:
1) Even without the Baylor players, Strong pulled in a great class the last 2 years. With that said...
2) Texas has to win this year.

#2 scares the crap out of me considering we probably start a true frosh QB. My hope is the OLine kicks ass and we can run the ball like crazy. This might not win against the best teams, but can still get you 6 wins. Then win 2 more, and if Strong can get to 8 this year, he's safe for another year. I think 2017 is the year the recruiting materializes in significant wins. There is too much talent on the team now to not win assuming the players stick around and Strong can get the wins he needs this year.
 
I was asking because an article I read from the 247Horns staff writers was pretty critical of Charlie in recruiting for '17 & '18. They have them ranked 43rd with only 7 commits, only four 4* & three 3* ? Most of the major programs have 13-17 guys by now. They (247) are predicting a class well outside the top 20 in '17 & said '18 already got off to a rough start.

Was wondering if you agree with their assessment or not? Seems like people are happy with his recruiting here?

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Can you provide a link to said article? It would seem only an uninformed writer would put something like that out there. First off, how can anyone comment on 2018? Second, it is well known know that Strong is patient with his commits. It is way too early to judge this class.

As for how I think 2017 will end up, this will be a smaller class so the overall rank will suffer but the average star ranking will be top 10. We are in it for a handful of elite recruits with more to follow if we have a good season.
 
To be fair he didn't recruit late, Baylor fell apart. If they don't, those kids aren't at Texas. Not his problem, that's Baylor's problem, but he can't count on that each year. And he desperately needs 8-9 wins to help. Five Star kids who aren't life-long Texas guys (like Jefferson) aren't going to flock to a 6-6 team. His '14 class are in their third year now under him, so they need to perform. At a school like Texas you can't say "wait til next year" three years in a row. You know this. The first game of the year they are playing a sophomore dominant team also. So youth can't be an excuse. Not at Texas.


To be fair - his "first" class really wasnt even his seeing as how he was only here for a month when it was inked.... and he did a decent job shoring it up... last year he pulled in another top 10 class.... and it has all been the same way - slow play and patience.... to be fair you have no fvcking clue what you are talking about and are spouting off pretty retarded stuff you read from other obviously misinformed people....

We had a good class BEFORE baylor fell apart.... but hey dont let facts and reality slow you down bud.
 
Strong doesn't push for early commits. He never has and never will, all the way back to his days at Louisville. If you are expecting more than 5-8 commits before fall camp starts you have no clue how Strong recruits. Here's Strong's #s at Louisville. The same pattern exists for Strong's '15, '16 and '17 recruiting classes at Texas.

'11 class

Holliman-1/8/11
Rogers-12/20/10
Parker-12/16/09
Dubose-2/2/11
Brown-12/16/09
Pryor-9/21/10
Moore-2/11/11
Harrington-3/22/10
Floyd-11/8/10
Mauldin-3/17/11
Epps-9/1/10
Mount-5/2/10
Mack-7/16/10
Miller-8/3/10
Romano-2/2/11
Bridgewater-12/20/10
Golson-1/10/11
Johnson-1/8/11
Gaines-9/25/10
Reeve-1/5/11
Wallace-9/28/10
Petersen-11/13/09

-17 out 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'12 class

Brown-1/17/12
Dawson-1/7/12
Holliman-9/7/11
Parnell-7/13/11
Burgess-1/3/12
Rankins-1/24/12
Gardner-7/11/11
Houchins-6/20/11
Radcliff-1/6/12
Brown-12/10/11
Garcia-11/14/11
Anvoots-3/25/11
Klusman-6/12/11
Manley-7/16/11
Hubbell-12/7/11
Appleby-9/27/11
Bowles-9/29/11
Sibiea-12/11/11
Atkins-2/1/12
Hughley-8/19/11
Jefferson-4/14/11
Herron-7/12/11

-18 out of 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'13 recruiting class

Quick-1/5/13
Hearns-6/29/13
Bolin-9/22/11
Thomas-2/17/13
Benjamin-12/16/12
Richardson-1/4/13
Williams-1/22/13
Shortridge-12/10/12
Kelsey-1/28/13
Elam-2/26/13
Fraser-1/29/13
Lacy-5/10/12
Towbridge-4/12/12
Middleton-12/2/12
Ross-5/2/12
Nelson-12/16/12
Bridges-6/16/12
Clark-2/3/13

-13 out of 18 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.
 
Strong doesn't push for early commits. He never has and never will, all the way back to his days at Louisville. If you are expecting more than 5-8 commits before fall camp starts you have no clue how Strong recruits. Here's Strong's #s at Louisville. The same pattern exists for Strong's '15, '16 and '17 recruiting classes at Texas.

'11 class

Holliman-1/8/11
Rogers-12/20/10
Parker-12/16/09
Dubose-2/2/11
Brown-12/16/09
Pryor-9/21/10
Moore-2/11/11
Harrington-3/22/10
Floyd-11/8/10
Mauldin-3/17/11
Epps-9/1/10
Mount-5/2/10
Mack-7/16/10
Miller-8/3/10
Romano-2/2/11
Bridgewater-12/20/10
Golson-1/10/11
Johnson-1/8/11
Gaines-9/25/10
Reeve-1/5/11
Wallace-9/28/10
Petersen-11/13/09

-17 out 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'12 class

Brown-1/17/12
Dawson-1/7/12
Holliman-9/7/11
Parnell-7/13/11
Burgess-1/3/12
Rankins-1/24/12
Gardner-7/11/11
Houchins-6/20/11
Radcliff-1/6/12
Brown-12/10/11
Garcia-11/14/11
Anvoots-3/25/11
Klusman-6/12/11
Manley-7/16/11
Hubbell-12/7/11
Appleby-9/27/11
Bowles-9/29/11
Sibiea-12/11/11
Atkins-2/1/12
Hughley-8/19/11
Jefferson-4/14/11
Herron-7/12/11

-18 out of 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'13 recruiting class

Quick-1/5/13
Hearns-6/29/13
Bolin-9/22/11
Thomas-2/17/13
Benjamin-12/16/12
Richardson-1/4/13
Williams-1/22/13
Shortridge-12/10/12
Kelsey-1/28/13
Elam-2/26/13
Fraser-1/29/13
Lacy-5/10/12
Towbridge-4/12/12
Middleton-12/2/12
Ross-5/2/12
Nelson-12/16/12
Bridges-6/16/12
Clark-2/3/13

-13 out of 18 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.
Hiatus over? Welcome back sir
 
To be fair he didn't recruit late, Baylor fell apart. If they don't, those kids aren't at Texas. Not his problem, that's Baylor's problem, but he can't count on that each year. And he desperately needs 8-9 wins to help. Five Star kids who aren't life-long Texas guys (like Jefferson) aren't going to flock to a 6-6 team. His '14 class are in their third year now under him, so they need to perform. At a school like Texas you can't say "wait til next year" three years in a row. You know this. The first game of the year they are playing a sophomore dominant team also. So youth can't be an excuse. Not at Texas.
You simply don't know what you are talking about. Texas had a great class before Baylor happened. To be FAIR Strong DID have to recruit those 4 players from many many schools that they could have went to. So he did recruit AFTER the last day. Texas was not their only option.

His 14 class had maybe 4 or 5 players HE got......the others he had to hang onto Macks guys. Strong's 2 classes have been awesome and were better than many of us thought they would be after 2 losing seasons. It is time to give Strong some credit for his recruiting dude. He has proven to me he can flat out recruit and until he doesn't I will have faith in him.
 
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Strong doesn't push for early commits. He never has and never will, all the way back to his days at Louisville. If you are expecting more than 5-8 commits before fall camp starts you have no clue how Strong recruits. Here's Strong's #s at Louisville. The same pattern exists for Strong's '15, '16 and '17 recruiting classes at Texas.

'11 class

Holliman-1/8/11
Rogers-12/20/10
Parker-12/16/09
Dubose-2/2/11
Brown-12/16/09
Pryor-9/21/10
Moore-2/11/11
Harrington-3/22/10
Floyd-11/8/10
Mauldin-3/17/11
Epps-9/1/10
Mount-5/2/10
Mack-7/16/10
Miller-8/3/10
Romano-2/2/11
Bridgewater-12/20/10
Golson-1/10/11
Johnson-1/8/11
Gaines-9/25/10
Reeve-1/5/11
Wallace-9/28/10
Petersen-11/13/09

-17 out 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'12 class

Brown-1/17/12
Dawson-1/7/12
Holliman-9/7/11
Parnell-7/13/11
Burgess-1/3/12
Rankins-1/24/12
Gardner-7/11/11
Houchins-6/20/11
Radcliff-1/6/12
Brown-12/10/11
Garcia-11/14/11
Anvoots-3/25/11
Klusman-6/12/11
Manley-7/16/11
Hubbell-12/7/11
Appleby-9/27/11
Bowles-9/29/11
Sibiea-12/11/11
Atkins-2/1/12
Hughley-8/19/11
Jefferson-4/14/11
Herron-7/12/11

-18 out of 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'13 recruiting class

Quick-1/5/13
Hearns-6/29/13
Bolin-9/22/11
Thomas-2/17/13
Benjamin-12/16/12
Richardson-1/4/13
Williams-1/22/13
Shortridge-12/10/12
Kelsey-1/28/13
Elam-2/26/13
Fraser-1/29/13
Lacy-5/10/12
Towbridge-4/12/12
Middleton-12/2/12
Ross-5/2/12
Nelson-12/16/12
Bridges-6/16/12
Clark-2/3/13

-13 out of 18 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.
I hope you are BACK bomb!
 
To be fair he didn't recruit late, Baylor fell apart. If they don't, those kids aren't at Texas. Not his problem, that's Baylor's problem, but he can't count on that each year. And he desperately needs 8-9 wins to help. Five Star kids who aren't life-long Texas guys (like Jefferson) aren't going to flock to a 6-6 team. His '14 class are in their third year now under him, so they need to perform. At a school like Texas you can't say "wait til next year" three years in a row. You know this. The first game of the year they are playing a sophomore dominant team also. So youth can't be an excuse. Not at Texas.
A former Texas coach remarked," You are either green and growing or ripe and rotten".Texas is much still green at this point but has recruited well and Texas fans hope to see a very much improved team on the field.Texas is rich in football talent and if you are able to get the kids to your school then good records are coming your way.ND will be a big test for this green team but they very much plan to show up.
 
He's a ND fan, not a Texas fan. So it's no surprise that he doesn't know about when CS tends to get his commits.

Strong tends to get a flurry of commits right at the end. Baylor's ethical pile of dung has nothing to do with it.
 
Texas took Kyle Porter's commitment 3 days before LOI day this year and moved up to the 33rd class. 4 days later it was a top ten class.

Strong doesn't take many early commits and believes in senior season evaluations. Even at UL most of his commits came in the 3 months before LOI day. But that doesn't make for a sexy click bait article.
 
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I know Texas got a lot of good pickups for the '16 class because of the Baylor, but how do you feel moving forward? Not expecting to get another year like this. Is Charlie recruiting well otherwise?
Yup, he's killing it and these were simple adds to an already stellar class. Texas is trending, just gotta start winning!
 
I like the point that Strong had to recruit the Baylor additions as they could have gone anywhere and lots of coaches were recruiting them.
 
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Strong doesn't push for early commits. He never has and never will, all the way back to his days at Louisville. If you are expecting more than 5-8 commits before fall camp starts you have no clue how Strong recruits. Here's Strong's #s at Louisville. The same pattern exists for Strong's '15, '16 and '17 recruiting classes at Texas.

'11 class

Holliman-1/8/11
Rogers-12/20/10
Parker-12/16/09
Dubose-2/2/11
Brown-12/16/09
Pryor-9/21/10
Moore-2/11/11
Harrington-3/22/10
Floyd-11/8/10
Mauldin-3/17/11
Epps-9/1/10
Mount-5/2/10
Mack-7/16/10
Miller-8/3/10
Romano-2/2/11
Bridgewater-12/20/10
Golson-1/10/11
Johnson-1/8/11
Gaines-9/25/10
Reeve-1/5/11
Wallace-9/28/10
Petersen-11/13/09

-17 out 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'12 class

Brown-1/17/12
Dawson-1/7/12
Holliman-9/7/11
Parnell-7/13/11
Burgess-1/3/12
Rankins-1/24/12
Gardner-7/11/11
Houchins-6/20/11
Radcliff-1/6/12
Brown-12/10/11
Garcia-11/14/11
Anvoots-3/25/11
Klusman-6/12/11
Manley-7/16/11
Hubbell-12/7/11
Appleby-9/27/11
Bowles-9/29/11
Sibiea-12/11/11
Atkins-2/1/12
Hughley-8/19/11
Jefferson-4/14/11
Herron-7/12/11

-18 out of 22 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

'13 recruiting class

Quick-1/5/13
Hearns-6/29/13
Bolin-9/22/11
Thomas-2/17/13
Benjamin-12/16/12
Richardson-1/4/13
Williams-1/22/13
Shortridge-12/10/12
Kelsey-1/28/13
Elam-2/26/13
Fraser-1/29/13
Lacy-5/10/12
Towbridge-4/12/12
Middleton-12/2/12
Ross-5/2/12
Nelson-12/16/12
Bridges-6/16/12
Clark-2/3/13

-13 out of 18 commits came after July 1st of that given recruiting year.

At Texas-

2016- 12/25 commit after the regular season was over. DIdn't include the 4 new Baylor refugees.

2015- 16/29 commit after the regular season was over.

2014- Mack's for the most part. All Strong commits would be after his 1/4/14 hire. I did not include those 5 guys.

28/54 committed after the regular season for 52%.

Include the five for '14 and the Baylor four and that goes to 37/63 for 59%

At UL-

2013 UL- 12/18 commit after the regular season

2012 UL- 9/22 after the regular season

2011 UL- 11/22 after the regular season

That is 32/62 guys committing after the regular season for an average of 52% committing to him in the 3 months before LOI day at UL

That makes 5 classes at two schools with over half his recruits committing after the regular season is over.
 
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I want Strong to succeed. I like coaches who are no nonsense, academics first, future of kid over football.
He just need to start winning games.
I read the 247 Hornstaff blog a lot because they seem to be very neutral. They don't drink the Kool aid but they also don't have the "sky is falling" approach when discussing Texas football. That's where I get the opinion of CS's recruiting & coaching.
Texas, to me, is one of the ten programs in the country that can never go below .500 with their players & program. Texas' 2nd string should not lose 24-0 to ISU. You know that as well. Youth is not an excuse at a place like Texas.
If recruiting is going so well then you have to ask what is the disconnect? Just reading on here Texas should be 10-2 this year? Do you honestly believe that?
And referring to CS's recruiting, you are comparing his classes to the nation. Like I said, I'm comparing him to the top 10 programs. Texas should fall out of bed with a top 10 class & with effort pull top 5 every year. And can't ever go below .500 again.
 
I want Strong to succeed. I like coaches who are no nonsense, academics first, future of kid over football.
He just need to start winning games.
I read the 247 Hornstaff blog a lot because they seem to be very neutral. They don't drink the Kool aid but they also don't have the "sky is falling" approach when discussing Texas football. That's where I get the opinion of CS's recruiting & coaching.
Texas, to me, is one of the ten programs in the country that can never go below .500 with their players & program. Texas' 2nd string should not lose 24-0 to ISU. You know that as well. Youth is not an excuse at a place like Texas.
If recruiting is going so well then you have to ask what is the disconnect? Just reading on here Texas should be 10-2 this year? Do you honestly believe that?
And referring to CS's recruiting, you are comparing his classes to the nation. Like I said, I'm comparing him to the top 10 programs. Texas should fall out of bed with a top 10 class & with effort pull top 5 every year. And can't ever go below .500 again.

Thanks to Mack Brown 60 of the 85 scholarship players this year will be underclassmen. That is 71%.

I forget which writer wrote something along the lines of,
'Strong came in and found out he needed to do a down to the studs renovation. When he got the house down to the studs he found the termite damage in those studs leaving him with just a slab to rebuild the program on.'
 
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247 only started saying anything positive about Strong after LOI day and the draft forcing them to come to grips with fact that Mack did indeed leave an empty cupboard.

Bobby Burton was a GA for Mack and has been highly critical of Strong.
 
Farly,,,you are right....there has been a disconnect....and as the HC, Strong is to blame.We have had worse than a dumpster fire for an OC the last 2 years.....not all blame on Strong as the admin had him hamstrung and gutted.OSU had a lawsuit against our O line coach which we tried to cover by saying he was a co OC....not only that but the admin refused to back the coach up by getting it settled early. For 2 years the whole coaching staff was having to drop everything and give depositions......so you have one coach that was very pissed at the admin( not good for moral) and another coach that was pissed for having to share his title. You saw the results at the ND game last year. It was so bad that both OC's got replaced after the first game and a whole new system coming in trying to salvage something.

The reason for the optimism this year is that for the first time since Strong got here everyone will be on the same page on the offense. With an even average offense the defense shouldn't have to play 35 to 43 min a game.
 
Let me expand on how bad our disconnect on offense was last year.....We could hardly get a play in before the clock ran out, much less do any hurry up. So many coaches had to try and decide what had to happen that on many more than one occasion we got delay of game penalties coming out of a time out.....pathetic.
 
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I want Strong to succeed. I like coaches who are no nonsense, academics first, future of kid over football.
He just need to start winning games.
I read the 247 Hornstaff blog a lot because they seem to be very neutral. They don't drink the Kool aid but they also don't have the "sky is falling" approach when discussing Texas football. That's where I get the opinion of CS's recruiting & coaching.
Texas, to me, is one of the ten programs in the country that can never go below .500 with their players & program. Texas' 2nd string should not lose 24-0 to ISU. You know that as well. Youth is not an excuse at a place like Texas.
If recruiting is going so well then you have to ask what is the disconnect? Just reading on here Texas should be 10-2 this year? Do you honestly believe that?
And referring to CS's recruiting, you are comparing his classes to the nation. Like I said, I'm comparing him to the top 10 programs. Texas should fall out of bed with a top 10 class & with effort pull top 5 every year. And can't ever go below .500 again.

You're focusing on a few sunshine pumpers and ignoring the vast majority are saying 8 maybe 9 wins if things fall the right way this year.
 
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I was asking because an article I read from the 247Horns staff writers was pretty critical of Charlie in recruiting for '17 & '18. They have them ranked 43rd with only 7 commits, only four 4* & three 3* ? Most of the major programs have 13-17 guys by now. They (247) are predicting a class well outside the top 20 in '17 & said '18 already got off to a rough start.

Was wondering if you agree with their assessment or not? Seems like people are happy with his recruiting here?

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Texas 2017 Football Commits (7)
  • Natl Rank: 43
  • Big-12 Rank: 5
  • Avg Rating: 0.9052



It's a fact that Texas will take a very small 2017 class, probably less than 20 signees. That doesn't mean Texas will be taking low quality. Texas will take between 10 to 12 4 and 5'star guys in this class.

We are in really good shape for a number of top athletes including Marvin Wilson the #1 player in the country.

To be fair he didn't recruit late, Baylor fell apart. If they don't, those kids aren't at Texas. Not his problem, that's Baylor's problem, but he can't count on that each year. And he desperately needs 8-9 wins to help. Five Star kids who aren't life-long Texas guys (like Jefferson) aren't going to flock to a 6-6 team. His '14 class are in their third year now under him, so they need to perform. At a school like Texas you can't say "wait til next year" three years in a row. You know this. The first game of the year they are playing a sophomore dominant team also. So youth can't be an excuse. Not at Texas.

As others have noted, few of us consider 14 to be his class. But there were a couple of gems in that class including D'onta Foreman and his brother Armani.

15 and 16 are his classes and are the foundation of this program. Charlie is a closer and that is without anything to sell. Once this program starts turning it around he will have something he can sell and then you will see what he can do as a recruiter.
 
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I forget which writer wrote something along the lines of,
'Strong came in and found out he needed to do a down to the studs renovation. When he got the house down to the studs he found the termite damage in those studs leaving him with just a slab to rebuild the program on.'

http://www.barkingcarnival.com/2015...es-texas-football-miami-hurricanes-rebuilding

Charlie Strong took over a Texas program that needed a rebuild. The real kind. Not a reallocation of existing talent or the injection of a few missing components that the media (and a PR savvy coach) brand as a complete re-haul when win totals double. Then fans can point to that program and ask - Why can't you just do what X did at Y?

Texas fans know the quick turnaround narrative. They've lived it. It writes itself like an Escher painting, two hands drawing each other in seeming perpetuity. A self-fulfilling prophecy creating its own momentum that signs the right letters of intent that guarantee even more wins.

That wasn't going to happen here. Not right away. Particularly as injuries mounted and another round of piss tests told the true tale of player buy-in. Strong decided to perform a complete gutting. A process that the fanbase largely accepted in concept. A funny thing about concepts. They're somewhat conceptual. Texas fans began to have second thoughts when they learned that a new kitchen meant that they'd be eating spam off of a hot plate under a dirty tarp for a while. Isn't this all a bit too drastic, they muttered into their canteens. Was the old formica really that bad?

When the new contractors reported that the ceilings had asbestos, the floorboards had termites and the entire foundation was resting on a Jenga piece, our collective appetite for creative destruction went the way of Guns & Roses after Axl Rose started wearing kilts. That's before the November rain started. And after Shawn Watson's reign ended. Now each new setback merely reinforces the idea that the project was doomed from the start and that there is no end to this money pit.

Is the project really that difficult? Or are the contractors making this all a bit too hard? They're not mutually exclusive ideas. And if both things are true, do you stay the course? Or do you make a change under the premise that one must always do now what you'll eventually have to do later?

The contractors have a say, too. The best thing anyone can do is fire their most unreasonable customers. Or just make fun of them a lot, as we do here. I write a Texas blog with lots of readers. I read the comments. I get the tantrum e-mails. When we lose, particularly badly, we're the punctilious self-entitled Yelp reviewer that everyone despises. God help the restaurant that loses our reservation and seats us by the kitchen. One star. I have never been so offended as I was today at Medieval Times. I shall never darken the portcullis of your establishment again.

More broadly, we live in a social media driven culture where the lessons of history are viewed as quaint irrelevancies and any context - or even a simple request to show the work that informs your world view - is viewed as a betrayal of the imprimatur of righteous indignation.

This isn't unique to Texas. I'm not sure a legitimate strip-it-to-the-studs four or five year rebuild is possible at any powerhouse program anymore. Once, long ago, Tammy Wynette stood by her man. Nicki Minaj is getting a new man if you let her go to the bathroom alone.

As patience wanes and perspectives narrow, rebuilding coaches better hope to inherit a formerly underachieving, injury-riddled, hard luck, one-year-away team.

Take Urban Meyer. Brilliant coach. Equally shrewd inheritor. At Utah, Meyer had five players drafted (including a first rounder) in his undefeated second season. Thanks, Ron McBride. At Florida, he took over a Ron Zook roster that provided a national title in Year Two and then filled up the NFL draft like fat Jets fans. Then Urban won another. Florida fans still appreciate him even though he quit after realizing that he'd assembled a murderer's row of...well, actual murderers. Oh, I mean resigned to be with his family. At Ohio State, he wisely succeeded Tressell's success. The man has better timing than Usain Bolt.

On the more modest side of the coaching bell curve, Houston Nutt did it at Ole Miss with Ed Orgeron's talent before giving Oxford a collective Nutt allergy. Kevin Sumlin inherited a roster that Mike Sherman stocked with five eventual 1st round draft picks over his first three years. Mack Brown did it with a Mackovic team that provided him one of the best offenses in Texas history and a young defense full of future NFL studs. Fred Akers got the same favor from DKR.

Mack Brown's real tear-it-down rebuild happened at UNC where he went 2-20 in his first two seasons. The Tarheels were 1-13 in the ACC. In Brown's second year, UNC averaged 12 points per game. Their only win was Virginia Military Institute in the opener. Then they lost 10 games in a row, capped off by a 41-0 loss to Duke. In his third year, yes, amazingly, there was a third year, Brown went 6-4-1. Imagine that happening at Texas today. Or Florida State. Or Alabama. 1989 was a different universe. Even at a basketball school. The notion that Brown's 2-20 team would have a winning record in Year 3 and that he'd eventually have the Tarheels in the Top 10 would have been laughed off of the dial up interwebz.

Oddly, young players get better over time and makes coaches look smarter. Fans forget this as the losses pile up.

In the world of contextual fanmnesia, no thing or person was ever a project. Vince Young was never benched multiple times before coming to be regarded as Mr Clutch, Colt McCoy didn't throw 17 18 interceptions as a sophomore (start John Chiles was a thing for a while, really) and Mykkele Thompson and Michael Huff were beloved from day one as heady, physical safeties with clear NFL futures.

Right now, Texas starts seven freshman. A dozen more play critical roles in the two deep. History tells us that they will probably get better at football.

In the moments after a humiliating loss to Iowa State, none of that really matters. We live in the now. That was a miserable loss that confirmed Texas is nowhere near turning the corner. Presumably, that corner wasn't evident when UNC was 1-10 and getting plowed 41-0 by Duke, either. You can only know in retrospect. In a new regime, the future is only projectable by limited data sets. We draw straight lines up or down and project to infinity when a scatter plot might be more helpful. Nor is there any axis that accounts for the larger sense of dread that we're falling behind in the macro-game - we're in a dumpy conference, have had a visionless administration, face unaccustomed headwinds in recruiting and are watching ESPN's elevation of the SEC from a college football conference to college football itself. A strong Texas is largely immune to those forces, a weak Texas is buffeted by them daily.

Strong hasn't helped himself in some key areas. Right now, faith in Strong is largely a matter of, well, faith. Faith that he'll make the right coaching hire on offense, faith that he'll close the 2016 recruiting class with the same miracles that he did in 2015, faith that his development plans are still on-line, faith that he'll jettison a few of the generational peers on his staff where most programs house their ambitious ace recruiters, faith that he'll persevere and sell us his vision on the field since he can't do it from the pulpit.

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible - Thomas Aquinas. Who knew Aquinas was an Aggie?

Faith cuts both ways.

Does Strong have faith in us? In the Texas administration and key boosters? He was promised time for a rebuild. Do enough embarrassing losses nullify that promise? He certainly has conducted himself as if he expects to have a senior class one day. Will we see it through? If he senses the well is becoming permanently poisoned or that promises are being revisited - either fairly or unfairly by his team's performance and ensuing fan negativity, and at this point fairness barely enters into it - his obligation is to his own career.

Our results over the last four games of the season could determine outcomes that we could all barely imagine in the afterglow of a victory in Dallas.
 
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Wow! The original writer didn't even leave a slab for Strong to rebuild on.
 
I looked at their schedule to predict their record & to me there are about 4-5 toss up games that will make or break their season. I dont know how good some of those teams will be? Or if Texas will gel with a true fresh QB?
Game one will be full of mystery for both teams.
 
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