Sam--- be very careful my friend

[SavigeHorn]

My position on this is not about being selfish and "being a fan". Its about amateur college athletics. The rules are very clear. Every athlete is shown these rules when they sign their scholarship. They are playing a given sport for the school and the school in return gives them a free ride. Its cut and dried.

Paying players would open up Pandora's box. You have the upper echelon of schools, 15 or so, that are profitable. Those at the top of the pyramid would have an unfair advantage over the one's that struggle to turn a profit. Then it comes down to how much does each athlete get paid? In today's Title IX world, it wouldn't be limited to just football players. It would have to be all sports across the board, men and women. In short, it wouldn't work and would be a financial disaster for universities.

Of course it will be for all sports across the board. The school wouldn't have to pay anyone, so that negates all the other talking points. It's about each athletes worth and what their name can bring them. It's their brand. It's capitalism. I want to repeat...the school doesn't have to pay them, but the school shouldn't stop them from getting paid, while college football brings in billions. And that ride is NOT free. They work hard for it and bring college football billions.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Listen sumbitch, horn on horn carnage never gets old but you need to slow your roll before us mods get aggravated.

Mod? I thought you was the sooner whore, around these parts.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Dang, relax dude! We're all capitalists here so there's no need to question our capitalist chops. Many on this board have done EXTREMELY well thanks to free markets. You come across as if you may have some issue with capitalism.

I was being facetious at times and overdramatic at others, to make a point. No problem with anyone. I do have an issue with hypocritical inconsistencies, that have deeper roots.

 

[clob94]

I was being facetious at times and overdramatic at others, to make a point. No problem with anyone. I do have an issue with hypocritical inconsistencies, that have deeper roots.

You know that athletes are allowed to have part time jobs, yes?

 

[SavigeHorn]

You know that athletes are allowed to have part time jobs, yes?

Lol...ok, and.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Well now looks like every sports news source is writing about it

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

"Bud" Wilkinson" shoulda never gave that boys Father a new Tractor to play for OU, "Look what it started"!,,,,LOl!

 

[westx]

thought you was the sooner whore

Not only is he the sooner whore, but @Belldozer1is also "the only hell his momma ever raised"

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Not only is he the sooner whore, but @Belldozer1is also "the only hell his momma ever raised"

Now don't talk about Bell, he's a pretty good whore, he's OrangeBloods whore in Training from Oklahoma!

 

[Bwilk55]

Of course it will be for all sports across the board. The school wouldn't have to pay anyone, so that negates all the other talking points. It's about each athletes worth and what their name can bring them. It's their brand. It's capitalism. I want to repeat...the school doesn't have to pay them, but the school shouldn't stop them from getting paid, while college football brings in billions. And that ride is NOT free. They work hard for it and bring college football billions.

How would you control boosters overpaying certain players for things of little value? Example, booster A lets player B know that he will pay him $100,000 for a signed photo if he goes to school C. How does anyone keep this in check?

 

[LonghornMM]

Of course it will be for all sports across the board. The school wouldn't have to pay anyone, so that negates all the other talking points. It's about each athletes worth and what their name can bring them. It's their brand. It's capitalism. I want to repeat...the school doesn't have to pay them, but the school shouldn't stop them from getting paid, while college football brings in billions. And that ride is NOT free. They work hard for it and bring college football billions.

This will never work paying college athletes for their own brand, etc. It would lead to all kinds of corruption, over paying, under the table deals, etc., and that's exactly what the NCAA has always tried to keep out of college sports. Is it a perfect set up? No. But if they opened it up, as you're suggesting, it would be opening Pandora's Box. I don't think we'll ever see this happen. Now, universities paying athletes for their services is a whole 'nother conversation. I stated why that would never work across the board in my previous posts.

 

[clob94]

Lol...ok, and.

Your argument was that student athletes should have a way to earn revenue.

Well, they are allowed to have a part time job.

Now think before you respond because yes, this s a trap .

 

[Belldozer1]

Mod? I thought you was the sooner whore, around these parts.

That’s strike 2 darlin’

 

[SavigeHorn]

How would you control boosters overpaying certain players for things of little value? Example, booster A lets player B know that he will pay him $100,000 for a signed photo if he goes to school C. How does anyone keep this in check?

That's capitalism. It's the American way. If he's worth it, so be it. Big time programs are winning now, because they have more to offer. It's a reason they choose the Texas and Bama's of the world, instead of a Prairie View. Big schools already have a huge advantage, with more to sell the recruit on. The only change, will be the recruit pocketing more money. You can't treat it like a business on one end, and not the other.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Your argument was that student athletes should have a way to earn revenue.

Well, they are allowed to have a part time job.

Now think before you respond because yes, this s a trap .

That's not close to being my argument. You really oversimplified that one. You must have read a reply to a specific comment, and stopped there or something. My argument goes beyond that. Part time jobs have nothing to do with billions being made in college football, and allowing players to get their worth.

Trap? You're funny. You can't make up an argument for me, then say you're setting a trap. You've been playing in the little leagues far too long, if you believe your own hype that much. Don't get caught in your own web, trying to be cute. We're adulting right now.

 

[SavigeHorn]

That’s strike 2 darlin’

Well bless your purdy lil mouth...wipe the corners. I hope they left you a tip.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

The thing to do is don't worry about the $100 hand shakes, every school on every level has someone or groups of guys that do it. I had a couple friends that went to Louisiana tech and they got the $100 hand shakes when they played for the Cajuns.

Schools don't want to pay the athletes,
NCAA doesn't want them making money off likeness or name
NCAA doesn't want anyone to give them money

What does that sound like to you?

I recognize the value of the education, except we aren't just talking about Texas, we are talking about every school in the NCAA. Seriously, what is the value of an Oklahoma Education? Now you know why they have to play players, it's compensation for the lower value education.

I'm not just talking about Oklahoma because they suck, but this is a Tom Sawyer letting all the kids help him paint the fence thing.

If schools don't want to pay the athletes, that is fine, but quit stopping them from making money off their name and likeness. Who cares if a booster gives them $100 hand shakes?

1% of them will make money in the sport on the next level, they deserve the opportunity to cash in if they can.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Well bless your purdy lil mouth...wipe the corners. I hope they left you a tip.

This is the stuff that will get you banned. Don't be an ass. Attacking other posters shows your little acumen. You certainly have a chip on your shoulder? Why so personal?

 

[Belldozer1]

I was being facetious at times and overdramatic at others, to make a point. No problem with anyone. I do have an issue with hypocritical inconsistencies, that have deeper roots.

I don't know hoss, you seem awfully hormonal more than anything. Here's some help for you, you're a new poster, act like it, you seem to like attacking and trying to impose your point on others right out of the box. Just a suggestion.

 

[2300 Nueces]

The thing to do is don't worry about the $100 hand shakes, every school on every level has someone or groups of guys that do it. I had a couple friends that went to Louisiana tech and they got the $100 hand shakes when they played for the Cajuns.

Schools don't want to pay the athletes,
NCAA doesn't want them making money off likeness or name
NCAA doesn't want anyone to give them money

What does that sound like to you?

I recognize the value of the education, except we aren't just talking about Texas, we are talking about every school in the NCAA. Seriously, what is the value of an Oklahoma Education? Now you know why they have to play players, it's compensation for the lower value education.

I'm not just talking about Oklahoma because they suck, but this is a Tom Sawyer letting all the kids help him paint the fence thing.

If schools don't want to pay the athletes, that is fine, but quit stopping them from making money off their name and likeness. Who cares if a booster gives them $100 hand shakes?

1% of them will make money in the sport on the next level, they deserve the opportunity to cash in if they can.

This can quickly get out of hand in the locker room. You played football, right?

 

[Bwilk55]

That's capitalism. It's the American way. If he's worth it, so be it. Big time programs are winning now, because they have more to offer. It's a reason they choose the Texas and Bama's of the world, instead of a Prairie View. Big schools already have a huge advantage, with more to sell the recruit on. The only change, will be the recruit pocketing more money. You can't treat it like a business on one end, and not the other.

Not sure I follow the comparison between Bama/Texas and Prairie View. Kids choose D1 schools because its D1 football.

Major sports leagues don't follow strict capitalism, you realize that right. Leagues have salary caps, etc to promote competition and parity. Teams share profits in most leagues, including NCAA football. If you think that's socialist, than fine, but that's how these leagues put a good competitive product on the field. There are still teams with advantages financially, Texas being one (the yankees, the lakers, etc) but it is mitigated by profit sharing, salary caps and limits on payments to players.

If you let boosters pay players at will, there will be 5-10 teams competing for championships while other programs tank.

Could you explain how payments to players would work without causing major issues? I think many would like to see them better reimbursed but the how to is the challenge.

 

[LonghornMM]

Saviage, you come in here like a bull in a china shop running your mouth, acting like a know it all and insulting others here. Your posting style is wearing thin, real fast. Tone it down, or you're gone.

 

[SavigeHorn]

I don't know hoss, you seem awfully hormonal more than anything. Here's some help for you, you're a new poster, act like it, you seem to like attacking and trying to impose your point on others right out of the box. Just a suggestion.

If Texas fans have a gripe, I listen and keep it moving. You can kick rocks sooner whore. The hormonal comment is sexist, you're the weak link, not women.

 

[SavigeHorn]

Saviage, you come in here like a bull in a china shop running your mouth, acting like a know it all and insulting others here. Your posting style is wearing thin, real fast. Tone it down, or you're gone.

Who did I attack? What board rule did I break? The sooner called me a bitch, yet you liked his post and warned me...does he have pictures? It's like you're cheering him on. He clearly broke board rules, did he not? I saw him pestering another Horn poster, with no repercussions. Y'all can dish it, but can't take it. That's weak, and why the hell does "new" matter. I see why the opinions around here are robotic and in sync. The sooner whore is being cheered on by the mod, yet warning me. It's Bizarro world around here. The good ole boy club needs new blood.

Edit: Better yet, **** you and the sooner whore. Both of you bitches can eat a dick, and jiggle each others balls. Low IQ, wanna be message board kings. Y'all need to go sniff some pussy. Deuces bitches.

 

[Belldozer1]

Who did I attack? What board rule did I break? The sooner called me a bitch, yet you liked his post and warned me...does he have pictures? It's like you're cheering him on. He clearly broke board rules, did he not? I saw him pestering another Horn poster, with no repercussions. Y'all can dish it, but can't take it. That's weak, and why the hell does "new" matter. I see why the opinions around here are robotic and in sync. The sooner whore is being cheered on by the mod, yet warning me. It's Bizarro world around here. The good ole boy club needs new blood.

Edit: Better yet, **** you and the sooner whore. Both of you bitches can eat a dick, and jiggle each others balls. Low IQ, wanna be message board kings. Y'all need to go sniff some pussy. Deuces bitches.

haha, I believe that's strike 3

 

[LonghornMM]

Who did I attack? What board rule did I break? The sooner called me a bitch, yet you liked his post and warned me...does he have pictures? It's like you're cheering him on. He clearly broke board rules, did he not? I saw him pestering another Horn poster, with no repercussions. Y'all can dish it, but can't take it. That's weak, and why the hell does "new" matter. I see why the opinions around here are robotic and in sync. The sooner whore is being cheered on by the mod, yet warning me. It's Bizarro world around here. The good ole boy club needs new blood.

Edit: Better yet, **** you and the sooner whore. Both of you bitches can eat a dick, and jiggle each others balls. Low IQ, wanna be message board kings. Y'all need to go sniff some pussy. Deuces bitches.

You’re an idiot.

 

[clob94]

Y'all need to go sniff some pussy. Deuces bitches.

It was worth hearing his 3rd grade temper tantrum just for those last two lines.

What captain crush all doesn't understand is--- only the wealthiest donors from the wealthiest schools will be able to participate in this and it wil quickly get out of hand. You know who has more money via boosters than Texas? Harvard.

All the kids going to Harvard now eh? There will be 10-15 teams that hoard all the top talent because they have all the booster money. The boosters will donate LESS to the school because they will be loading kis up with dough. It would become the fvcking wild west.

And savage-- anytime you'd like to meet up and discuss this further just roll into New Braunfels and ask for clob. I'm easy to find.

 

[DHHorn]

SavigeHorn is giving his opinion, although he’s coming across pretty hot it doesn’t make it less legit as anyone else’s.

Savige, tone it down and you’ll be fine. Just my opinion.

 

[Belldozer1]

SavigeHorn is giving his opinion, although he’s coming across pretty hot it doesn’t make it less legit as anyone else’s.

Savige, tone it down and you’ll be fine. Just my opinion.

Exactly, I agree being new doesn't matter from a content standpoint but to come out of the blue like that, comes across as just trying cause an issue

 

[LonghornMM]

I’ve got no issue with differing opinions. Just keep it respectful. Saviage decided to twist off and lost it. He cut his own throat.