Sam--- be very careful my friend
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Not only is he the sooner whore, but @Belldozer1is also "the only hell his momma ever raised"
Now don't talk about Bell, he's a pretty good whore, he's OrangeBloods whore in Training from Oklahoma!
How would you control boosters overpaying certain players for things of little value? Example, booster A lets player B know that he will pay him $100,000 for a signed photo if he goes to school C. How does anyone keep this in check?
This will never work paying college athletes for their own brand, etc. It would lead to all kinds of corruption, over paying, under the table deals, etc., and that's exactly what the NCAA has always tried to keep out of college sports. Is it a perfect set up? No. But if they opened it up, as you're suggesting, it would be opening Pandora's Box. I don't think we'll ever see this happen. Now, universities paying athletes for their services is a whole 'nother conversation. I stated why that would never work across the board in my previous posts.
Your argument was that student athletes should have a way to earn revenue.
Well, they are allowed to have a part time job.
Now think before you respond because yes, this s a trap .
That's capitalism. It's the American way. If he's worth it, so be it. Big time programs are winning now, because they have more to offer. It's a reason they choose the Texas and Bama's of the world, instead of a Prairie View. Big schools already have a huge advantage, with more to sell the recruit on. The only change, will be the recruit pocketing more money. You can't treat it like a business on one end, and not the other.
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That's not close to being my argument. You really oversimplified that one. You must have read a reply to a specific comment, and stopped there or something. My argument goes beyond that. Part time jobs have nothing to do with billions being made in college football, and allowing players to get their worth.
Trap? You're funny. You can't make up an argument for me, then say you're setting a trap. You've been playing in the little leagues far too long, if you believe your own hype that much. Don't get caught in your own web, trying to be cute. We're adulting right now.
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Well bless your purdy lil mouth...wipe the corners. I hope they left you a tip.
The thing to do is don't worry about the $100 hand shakes, every school on every level has someone or groups of guys that do it. I had a couple friends that went to Louisiana tech and they got the $100 hand shakes when they played for the Cajuns.
Schools don't want to pay the athletes,
NCAA doesn't want them making money off likeness or name
NCAA doesn't want anyone to give them money
What does that sound like to you?
I recognize the value of the education, except we aren't just talking about Texas, we are talking about every school in the NCAA. Seriously, what is the value of an Oklahoma Education? Now you know why they have to play players, it's compensation for the lower value education.
I'm not just talking about Oklahoma because they suck, but this is a Tom Sawyer letting all the kids help him paint the fence thing.
If schools don't want to pay the athletes, that is fine, but quit stopping them from making money off their name and likeness. Who cares if a booster gives them $100 hand shakes?
1% of them will make money in the sport on the next level, they deserve the opportunity to cash in if they can.
Schools don't want to pay the athletes,
NCAA doesn't want them making money off likeness or name
NCAA doesn't want anyone to give them money
What does that sound like to you?
I recognize the value of the education, except we aren't just talking about Texas, we are talking about every school in the NCAA. Seriously, what is the value of an Oklahoma Education? Now you know why they have to play players, it's compensation for the lower value education.
I'm not just talking about Oklahoma because they suck, but this is a Tom Sawyer letting all the kids help him paint the fence thing.
If schools don't want to pay the athletes, that is fine, but quit stopping them from making money off their name and likeness. Who cares if a booster gives them $100 hand shakes?
1% of them will make money in the sport on the next level, they deserve the opportunity to cash in if they can.
This is the stuff that will get you banned. Don't be an ass. Attacking other posters shows your little acumen. You certainly have a chip on your shoulder? Why so personal?
I don't know hoss, you seem awfully hormonal more than anything. Here's some help for you, you're a new poster, act like it, you seem to like attacking and trying to impose your point on others right out of the box. Just a suggestion.
This can quickly get out of hand in the locker room. You played football, right?
Not sure I follow the comparison between Bama/Texas and Prairie View. Kids choose D1 schools because its D1 football.
Major sports leagues don't follow strict capitalism, you realize that right. Leagues have salary caps, etc to promote competition and parity. Teams share profits in most leagues, including NCAA football. If you think that's socialist, than fine, but that's how these leagues put a good competitive product on the field. There are still teams with advantages financially, Texas being one (the yankees, the lakers, etc) but it is mitigated by profit sharing, salary caps and limits on payments to players.
If you let boosters pay players at will, there will be 5-10 teams competing for championships while other programs tank.
Could you explain how payments to players would work without causing major issues? I think many would like to see them better reimbursed but the how to is the challenge.
Saviage, you come in here like a bull in a china shop running your mouth, acting like a know it all and insulting others here. Your posting style is wearing thin, real fast. Tone it down, or you're gone.
If Texas fans have a gripe, I listen and keep it moving. You can kick rocks sooner whore. The hormonal comment is sexist, you're the weak link, not women.
Who did I attack? What board rule did I break? The sooner called me a bitch, yet you liked his post and warned me...does he have pictures? It's like you're cheering him on. He clearly broke board rules, did he not? I saw him pestering another Horn poster, with no repercussions. Y'all can dish it, but can't take it. That's weak, and why the hell does "new" matter. I see why the opinions around here are robotic and in sync. The sooner whore is being cheered on by the mod, yet warning me. It's Bizarro world around here. The good ole boy club needs new blood.
Edit: Better yet, **** you and the sooner whore. Both of you bitches can eat a dick, and jiggle each others balls. Low IQ, wanna be message board kings. Y'all need to go sniff some pussy. Deuces bitches.
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Y'all need to go sniff some pussy. Deuces bitches.
It was worth hearing his 3rd grade temper tantrum just for those last two lines.
What captain crush all doesn't understand is--- only the wealthiest donors from the wealthiest schools will be able to participate in this and it wil quickly get out of hand. You know who has more money via boosters than Texas? Harvard.
All the kids going to Harvard now eh? There will be 10-15 teams that hoard all the top talent because they have all the booster money. The boosters will donate LESS to the school because they will be loading kis up with dough. It would become the fvcking wild west.
And savage-- anytime you'd like to meet up and discuss this further just roll into New Braunfels and ask for clob. I'm easy to find.
It was worth hearing his 3rd grade temper tantrum just for those last two lines.
What captain crush all doesn't understand is--- only the wealthiest donors from the wealthiest schools will be able to participate in this and it wil quickly get out of hand. You know who has more money via boosters than Texas? Harvard.
All the kids going to Harvard now eh? There will be 10-15 teams that hoard all the top talent because they have all the booster money. The boosters will donate LESS to the school because they will be loading kis up with dough. It would become the fvcking wild west.
And savage-- anytime you'd like to meet up and discuss this further just roll into New Braunfels and ask for clob. I'm easy to find.
SavigeHorn is giving his opinion, although he’s coming across pretty hot it doesn’t make it less legit as anyone else’s.
Savige, tone it down and you’ll be fine. Just my opinion.
Savige, tone it down and you’ll be fine. Just my opinion.
Exactly, I agree being new doesn't matter from a content standpoint but to come out of the blue like that, comes across as just trying cause an issue
I’ve got no issue with differing opinions. Just keep it respectful. Saviage decided to twist off and lost it. He cut his own throat.
Agree with all points, but I'd modify that to say, "Those at the top of the pyramid would have even more of an unfair advantage over the ones that struggle..."
- Texas A&M
- Texas
- Michigan
- Alabama
- Ohio State
- OU
- Notre Dame
- Auburn
- LSU
- Florida
- Tennessee, etc.
(UT should compete in more sports, as it is.)
Social media is dangerous. Having and opinion does not equal shooting off random texts talking about making money as an athlete.
If I'm the NCAA I'm thinking--- "Why all of the sudden out of nowhere is this kid tweeting about making money? Does he have a side gig that he's trying to justify? Do we need to go down there and have a chat with him and Herman?"
It's best to just keep those a-holes out of town altogether.
His position would be secure without a doubt. It's about his leadership. Sure, he could probably make a multi million dollar endorsement deal as a college athlete but what about guys like Jordan Pouncey or Rob Cummins or Jamari Chisolm? They're likely going to be working regular jobs like the rest of us when their playing careers are over but for the time being they're giving all they got in practice like Sam and they stay prepared just in case they're called upon in a game situation. Many of these guys play important roles on special teams too. Sam needs to make sure he's connecting with everyone so they're all on the same page and focused on winning, nothing else. Once Sam graduates and hires an agent, that's the appropriate time to talk about your earning opportunities. My fear is that he could start alienating other players in the locker room. I wonder if he even knows who Rob Cummins or Jamari Chisholm are?
I agree with what Sam is saying but in his position as the team leader he needs to be much more private and strategic about his views on the subject. Probably better for him to say that he understands the challenges and complexities with paying college athletes and he knows it's not an easy fix but hope that someday the NCAA can find a resolution that works for everyone.
Clob do you remember that kid from ucf that was a kicker and had his own YouTube channel and the ncaa came down on him and he got his scholarship taken and now is out of school. Well Colin Johnson has his own too on YouTube, but I don't think he is making a profit out of it I could be wrong. If people want to see more of UT they can go follow him and watch his videos.
My $0.02 worth...
1) Amateur players (playing on athletic scholarships) should not be payed. They have been given a gift (based on their innate ability and hard work) to earn a college degree. Those are not cheap anymore especially when the average college grad is coming out with a >$30K student loan debt.
2) However, colleges and universities should not be allowed to use player likeness or even names on jerseys without some compensation to the players.
A player made that jersey number special for some reason and should be fairly rewarded for it.
3) Notoriety for playing college ball is never mentioned and should be considered. College ball is like the minor league for the NBA and NFL.
Quick, how many can name the top players in the Rangers farm system? Not many I bet. How often do minor leaguers appear on ESPN or other sports show? Not often. Now contrast that with the wall-to-wall coverage of college football or basketball. Bet many on this board can name the best players on other collegiate teams. How much is PR and name recognition worth?
1) Amateur players (playing on athletic scholarships) should not be payed. They have been given a gift (based on their innate ability and hard work) to earn a college degree. Those are not cheap anymore especially when the average college grad is coming out with a >$30K student loan debt.
2) However, colleges and universities should not be allowed to use player likeness or even names on jerseys without some compensation to the players.
A player made that jersey number special for some reason and should be fairly rewarded for it.
3) Notoriety for playing college ball is never mentioned and should be considered. College ball is like the minor league for the NBA and NFL.
Quick, how many can name the top players in the Rangers farm system? Not many I bet. How often do minor leaguers appear on ESPN or other sports show? Not often. Now contrast that with the wall-to-wall coverage of college football or basketball. Bet many on this board can name the best players on other collegiate teams. How much is PR and name recognition worth?
I do remember that.
And that's why I'm all about having as small a social media foot print as possible while you're still playing.
You used to leave to clear everything with the SID (sports information director) prior to making any media or public statements.
Now you can just hit enter and everybody hears you.
Social media is a loaded gun.
1. WE like Sooner Whores, Bell has been trained, a lotta time and money went into his training,
2. I would pay to see this happen...in 2a
2a. "Better yet, **** you and the sooner whore. Both of you bitches can eat a dick, and jiggle each others balls"
3.Ain't know need for name calling, but I see that you are a man of experience..
4, Don't **** with MM, that's taking away my employment
I would be shocked if any fellow Longhorn took any issue with what Sam had to say. Every guy in that locker room has respect for Sam because he has earned it on and off the field.
Further, how would any of them be offended by what he had to say? He wasn't just advocating for himself, college football superstars, or football players in general. He was advocating for all college athletes.
I'm guessing most guys will respect him even more for using his platform to make a statement about an issue that affects all players in the locker room.
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