He won’t come here if there isn’t a job open. Herman is fools gold and we’re just delaying the inevitable
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He won’t come here if there isn’t a job open. Herman is fools gold and we’re just delaying the inevitable
I don’t disagree that it would be delaying the inevitable, but I kind of understand why Texas wants a commitment from Urban before they make a move. CDC doesn’t want to make a move and then have Meyer say “nah I’m good” now where do we go? That’s been CDC’s rumored position and it makes total sense to me
What I’d give to have that little No. 22 at at OU. I’m sure Riley would invent a new position just for him and then use him to torture teams
And that’s not how it works. Which is why I say it’s assbackward. “We’re Texas” I guess makes one believe you can do it this way. No coach worth their salt would accept a job before someone is fired. I wouldn’t.
That’s not how it works in the regular business world, but it goes on all the time in the college and pro sports world and Urban Meyer knows it better than anyone.
So you're telling me in the regular business world, when a manager/etc. is unhappy with the performance of someone, they don't fire them, but rather offer the job to someone in hopes they say yes before there is an actual job open...???
I can't point to a single high profile college job where this premise was true.
Not a chance in hell I would take an offer to a job before the person sitting in said job was gone. So many reasons this is in bad taste.
No actually I said just the opposite. I said that’s not how it works in the regular buisness world. And please you can’t think of a single job in college football where that has happened? Seems to me it happened at Texas with Nick Saban, before it got scuttled you don’t think he’ll Nick Saban did it with Alabama. You don’t think he let it be known he’d come to Alabama should it be offered? Of course he did. You don’t think Mack Brown heard from UNC people “hey if we were to make a change would you be interested”? I’m sure he did.
It is not uncommon at all for ADs to know where they are going in a coaching search. Hell I would bet a large amount of money people have reached out to Herman and said “hey if it doesn’t work out at UT for you they’ll be a spot on my staff”. Moves are made behind the curtain in sports all the time.
Once again Herman proves he cannot coach when expectations are high. He only looks good in games that don’t matter and when he can have a “chip” on his shoulder. Texas cannot operate like that because there is always going to be high expectations.
I personally think Urban is playing this “well I won’t talk before there is an opening” game because he isn’t really that interested in coming back but he likes people to think he’s interested in coming back. I hope I’m wrong but I think he’s playing with UT a little bit.
He’s not commenting on a job that he is being pursued for where the current coach is still there. You just don’t do that because it is very disrespectful to the sitting coach. He’s handling it exactly the way it should be handled. Good or bad.
No one is asking him to publicly accept the job. all Texas is asking for is a “handshake” that he would take it.
and Urban has spent much of the last two years not so subtlety trolling Tom Herman on numerous occasions. Little late to play the “respect card.
Sometimes KC, I just honestly don't know what the hell you're saying, lol.
Saban isn't coaching Texas last I checked.
Is North Carolina a high profile job? Secondly, weren't they 3-9, followed up by 2-9 under Fedora? Furthermore, people were saying his (Brown) would be mentioned but it was unlikely. I don't remember any single time he was on ESPN when people were asking him about the job in the middle of the season.
I highly doubt that UNC was going to keep Fedora if Mack said not interested. This comparison just doesn't even make sense.
No, coaches don't take hypothetical jobs before the job is open. Do people reach out to their people/agents/etc.? Sure. But to think CDC and UM are having some kind of standoff is silly. And if they are, then CDC is a dumbass.
I understand Saban isn’t coaching at Texas but we tried to get him, and he openly considered while Mack was still coaching. It ultimately got scuttled but it happened so the idea that negoations and handshake agreements don’t happen in the background is silly. Hell Jimmy Sexton the agent for all these coaches whenever a job like Texas is even rumored to be open all his clients get extensions. He’s a master at playing the behind the curtain game.
Look CDC and the BMD’s aren’t looking for some public declaration live on Fox thar Urban is coming to Texas. All they want is a private answer to 3 questions.
Do you want to coach?
How much money do you want?
If contractual terms are meant would you take the job?
and imo that’s perfectly reasonable. Is that the way it’s done in any other job? No but most jobs don’t involve close to a hundred million dollars exchanging hands.
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I do to. And if you can’t get Urban it may be the best option, because I honestly don’t know where you go. There are a lot of guys I think are interesting and could be the answer but not slam dunks if Urban says no
He has talked to them and for all we know, he has accepted. Do you expect them to announce the terms of the contract while we still have a coach? It's called discretion.
Do you think that out President and AD flew across the country to ask UM for his grandma's pumpkin pie recipe?
If he has accepted(I doubt he has) then yes at the very least Texas should announce Herman won’t be back, and then sometime after Kansas next week announce Meyer and let him get to work... This was supposed to be the last game of the season had it not been for the outbreak at KU, so no harm really in announcing a decision on Herman this week if indeed you have a yes from Urban
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Dang bell, how many fans they allowing, because I see a ton in the stands. I mean a lot.
Good game so far. Baylor defense is hitting hard.
Good game so far. Baylor defense is hitting hard.
So you think we should fire TH this week and announce UM as the new coach? And then what?
Why would you announce it with 1 game left in the season? Do you realize how many people in that building have jobs directly tied to TH being hired as the HC. Do you know how many a$$holes will pucker when that happens?
Who's going to coach vs Kansas? If you are going to keep assistants are you going to have UM come in when you announce it, so he can address everyone?
In addition, what behind the scenes insight do you have into the personal behaviors of UM to come to the conclusion that he has or hasn't accepted the job.
In an early post on this or another thread, you suggested that UM doesn't want to coach. He just likes all the attention he gets when he is tied to different openings. How did you come to that conclusion? Does anything about the way Urban Meyer has ever presented himself in the media or in public suggest that he is someone that likes to be the center of attention? He doesn't look comfortable when Quinn, Bush, and Lienart try to ask him about job openings during their show.
You can talk about Saban and Alabama all you want, but I guarantee you that Nick Saban has never publicly accepted a coaching position that wasn't vacant. That's not how real coaches operate.
Lol as I’ve said 1,000 times. No one is asking Urban Meyer to publicly accept the job while Tom Herman is still the coach. The only thing the Texas brass is asking for is some assurance privately that he will take the job, and I think that is fair considering the amount of money Texas is about to invest. I mean between buying out Herman, any assistants Urban doesn’t want, Ubran’s contract and new assistants your taking about a 100 million dollar investment from Texas. Those kinds of agreements happen all the time in college sports it’s not that out of the ordinary, and Urban knows that.
As far as why fire Herman with one week to go? It’s very simple. First of all next week is a makeup week. Today was the scheduled end of the season. Secondly in a normal season last week would of been the end of the season, so you are already a week behind where you would be normally, so every week you wait to actually put things in motion puts you further and further behind. Best to get the ball rolling ASAP.
Do you think before you post? Do you know anyone named Ryan?
You have no idea what assurance that UM has given CDC, because it's private. You evidently want a public acknowledgment that we have received a private assurance. How that is different than a public acceptance is beyond me.
If you fire TH on Monday, who coaches the team vs Kansas? Do you want to hire Meyer so, he can start recruiting? Will he be hiring his own staff, and when will those hires be made? When will you start firing assistants?
You can announce Herman isn’t returning in 2021 and he can coach the team at Kansas. That happens all the time. If they decided not to do that Chris Ash could be the interim coach for a week
I’m not asking for a public declaration from anyone, but I’m going to assume that had Texas gotten some sort of indication from Urban Meyer that he is willing to come. People in the know would be indicating as such. Since that hasn’t happened and in fact everything that I have read says that Texas is waiting for Meyer to day one way or another that is what I’m going off of.
The over all point though is it’s time to put things in motion if you are going to. The longer you wait the further behind you are.
I’m basing my thinking on the last report we had which was Meyer didn’t want to commit one way or another until there was a job open. Assuming that is still the case I can understand why that is a problem for CDC.
1. If Meyer isn’t coming CDC’s thinking May behes better off keeping Herman for another season. If that’s the case he’s not going to want to make a move before Meyer commits(or not)
2. The absolute worst position CDC could find himself in is to fire Herman get jilted by Meyer and have no obvious plan B, and certainly no plan B that is a slam dunk.
So I get why he wants some idea of where this thing is headed before it becomes a run away train.
1. If Meyer isn’t coming CDC’s thinking May behes better off keeping Herman for another season. If that’s the case he’s not going to want to make a move before Meyer commits(or not)
2. The absolute worst position CDC could find himself in is to fire Herman get jilted by Meyer and have no obvious plan B, and certainly no plan B that is a slam dunk.
So I get why he wants some idea of where this thing is headed before it becomes a run away train.
If you believe half of the things written or said about TH, there is no way you can fire him and then allow him to walk around the building for a week. So your going to fire TH on Monday and then call Ash in and tell him that he's in charge on Saturday. So, he has to deal with all the shite associated with the HC being fired and develop and implement a game plan.
I guess that you are under the conclusion that every player in our locker room is just going to accept the news that TH is gone and there will be no fallout. Just because we want TH gone doesn't mean that's what the players want.
The other option is to just wait 1 week and then you have 3-4 weeks to deal with everything.
I guess that you are under the conclusion that every player in our locker room is just going to accept the news that TH is gone and there will be no fallout. Just because we want TH gone doesn't mean that's what the players want.
The other option is to just wait 1 week and then you have 3-4 weeks to deal with everything.
When Nick Saban was ask whether he would be interested in Texas before Mack Brown was fired, he told the reporter that Texas had a coach and that the Mack Brown was a close personal friend.
Coaches do not accept jobs that are not already open. It's a sign of respect within the coaching community.
Coaches do not accept jobs that are not already open. It's a sign of respect within the coaching community.
You know Baylor played hard tonight. Their defense did as good a job as anybody against OK's offense this year especially in the first half. The Baylor defense has played well this year.
BU has a lot of good athletes in their front seven. OU's defense played pretty hard too.
Saban openly considered the job huh? I don't remember that. I don't remember Saban coming out in the middle of his season at Alabama in 2013. Hell, I don't even remember anyone talking about it seriously. Only remember Saban saying he wouldn't take a job that isn't open.
I'm not saying the backroom handshake bullshit doesn't happen. I'm saying it is assbackward and not coach worth a shit will come here if that is the way Texas does business. If you don't think you have a winner, fire his ass. You don't go looking for a coach to say yes before a job is available. That's chickenshit. Sorry you don't agree.
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