The "baked the cake" comments....

[2300 Nueces]

Mack could have and probably should have won more conference titles. Mack should have done a better job recruiting QBs when Colt was starting. Mack shouldn't have shit the bed in 2010.

But, Mack resurrected UT football to national prominence with 10 win seasons, BCS wins, a MNC victory and another appearance, and won the Big 12. Mack was the best coach at Texas since DKR.

I agree with this but the fact that he is and was the 2nd best coach shows the horrible mismanagement of UT football compared to where we stand in relation to Texas high school talent, revenue, and fan base. We should never lose more than 5% of the top recruits to out of state schools where football is second to soccer or la cross, and we should never be losing recruiting battles with TCU. Texas football as a whole since DKR has been a failure save Mack Brown's run. I have stated that cheating in college football is rampant and we have been losers at this for some time. We need to either push for paying athletes (UT could beat most NFL teams in terms of pay) or we need to position ourselves ahead of Baylor, OU, TCU, Tech, and every other out of state program that comes here to cherry pick Texas talent. We need to make it painful for the top Texas kids to say NO to playing for The University of Texas.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

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So we can jump hermans ass right out tha gate when he loses to usc.

I will not hammer a coach after taking over a program (in year 1) and losing a preseason game to a top tier opponent. You can do what you want. I'm focused on sustained trends of improvement instead of snapshot wins/losses (save Kansas, an FCS opponent, or non-P5 opponent).

I agree with this but the fact that he is and was the 2nd best coach shows the horrible mismanagement of UT football compared to where we stand in relation to Texas high school talent, revenue, and fan base. We should never lose more than 5% of the top recruits to out of state schools where football is second to soccer or la cross, and we should never be losing recruiting battles with TCU. Texas football as a whole since DKR has been a failure save Mack Brown's run. I have stated that cheating in college football is rampant and we have been losers at this for some time. We need to either push for paying athletes (UT could beat most NFL teams in terms of pay) or we need to position ourselves ahead of Baylor, OU, TCU, Tech, and every other out of state program that comes here to cherry pick Texas talent. We need to make it painful for the top Texas kids to say NO to playing for The University of Texas.

I definitely believe universities should pay college players. Legalize it. It's already happening anyway and it won't stop.

 

[swVAHorn]

Mack could have and probably should have won more conference titles. Mack should have done a better job recruiting QBs when Colt was starting. Mack shouldn't have shit the bed in 2010.

But, Mack resurrected UT football to national prominence with 10 win seasons, BCS wins, a MNC victory and another appearance, and won the Big 12. Mack was the best coach at Texas since DKR.

well said

 

[Bwilk55]

I agree with this but the fact that he is and was the 2nd best coach shows the horrible mismanagement of UT football compared to where we stand in relation to Texas high school talent, revenue, and fan base. We should never lose more than 5% of the top recruits to out of state schools where football is second to soccer or la cross, and we should never be losing recruiting battles with TCU. Texas football as a whole since DKR has been a failure save Mack Brown's run. I have stated that cheating in college football is rampant and we have been losers at this for some time. We need to either push for paying athletes (UT could beat most NFL teams in terms of pay) or we need to position ourselves ahead of Baylor, OU, TCU, Tech, and every other out of state program that comes here to cherry pick Texas talent. We need to make it painful for the top Texas kids to say NO to playing for The University of Texas.

If you think this is realistic, you will continue to be severely disappointed. All the top programs are recruiting Texas hard, keeping 95% of top players in the state is not feasible.

The lowest budget for player salaries is 130 million (by the Browns). No, UT can not beat any NFL team in terms of pay.

I do agree, we need to put ourselves back on top of the food chain in Texas. Do that and we will greatly improve our recruiting. Even then, players will still go out of state and go to TAMU and TCU, etc. That is just reality.

 

[speedstrength]

I did not track their careers after they left.

Did those 9 players significantly contribute to Mack's 8 win season in 2013 only to depart under Strong before the 2014 season? The answer is yes.

The answer is no. Estelle had 8 starts after Cochran went down. Played pretty good. Burgeron had 376 yards rushing, Sanders had 376 yards receiving. Harrison played sparsely in 8 games was constantly in the Doghouse. Scott, Moss, and Overstreet played on speical teams and in blowouts. Meander, Collins, and Davis Redshirted.

1 out of 9 played a significant role in 2013. Burgeron was a waste of carries, Gray and Brown were much better backs. Sanders was the 4th receiver. 2 out of the 9 may have helped in 2014. Still doesn't change the fact that Depth at QB and OL was horrible.

 

[Pumpedup55]

The answer is no. Estelle had 8 starts after Cochran went down. Played pretty good. Burgeron had 376 yards rushing, Sanders had 376 yards receiving. Harrison played sparsely in 8 games was constantly in the Doghouse. Scott, Moss, and Overstreet played on speical teams and in blowouts. Meander, Collins, and Davis Redshirted.

1 out of 9 played a significant role in 2013. Burgeron was a waste of carries, Gray and Brown were much better backs. Sanders was the 4th receiver. 2 out of the 9 may have helped in 2014. Still doesn't change the fact that Depth at QB and OL was horrible.

I thought Harrison never played a down. Either way he had no positive impact. Bergeron played well against Tech but agree he wasn't that good. Estelle and Sanders were bigger losses. Sanders I think was talented receiver. He may not have had the stats but I think he would have went on to have a more impactful career had it worked out.

 

[speedstrength]

Yeah I think he would have helped in 2014/15 and Estelle would have been a monster if he decided he wanted to play.

Just for people that haven't followed. Overstreet went to Sam Houston, played decenlty, had 3 run ins with the law in less than 6 months, Sanders had 476 yards receiving at Arky State this year. Meander had 2 receptions for 19 yards at Grambling this year. Collins bounced around some JUCOs, doesn't look like he made it back to D1. Burgeron went to A&M Commerce got suspended half way through the season. Estelle went to West Alabama, is currently in the CFL. Can't find anything Scott, Moss and Davis football related after Texas. Again 2 of the 9 would have been helpful the other guys were spares who couldn't stay out of trouble.

 

[swVAHorn]

The answer is no. Estelle had 8 starts after Cochran went down. Played pretty good. Burgeron had 376 yards rushing, Sanders had 376 yards receiving. Harrison played sparsely in 8 games was constantly in the Doghouse. Scott, Moss, and Overstreet played on speical teams and in blowouts. Meander, Collins, and Davis Redshirted.

1 out of 9 played a significant role in 2013. Burgeron was a waste of carries, Gray and Brown were much better backs. Sanders was the 4th receiver. 2 out of the 9 may have helped in 2014. Still doesn't change the fact that Depth at QB and OL was horrible.

25 TD's in 3 years is NOT productive as a 3rd RB? What do you consider productive?... He also averaged more yard per carry than those other "better" backs.... Not using Bergeron more in the passing game was also a crime, had great hands.
Sanders was actually the 3rd best receiver as a True Soph and had 37 catches and a 63 yd TD that year along with those 376 yds...to say that is not contributing is just not true. The 3 RS's no one will ever know. They blew it.

Overstreet had 20 carries for 102 yds as a Freshman with 3 Stud RB's in front of him.....had a 4.0 ypc....no shame in that.

Some perspective....D'Onta had 15 Carries for 76 yards his first year with Strong as the coach behind Gray and Brown. D'Onta was no slouch as far as I am concerned.

Not disagreeing totally with you just on a few guys.

 

[2300 Nueces]

If you think this is realistic, you will continue to be severely disappointed. All the top programs are recruiting Texas hard, keeping 95% of top players in the state is not feasible.

The lowest budget for player salaries is 130 million (by the Browns). No, UT can not beat any NFL team in terms of pay.

I do agree, we need to put ourselves back on top of the food chain in Texas. Do that and we will greatly improve our recruiting. Even then, players will still go out of state and go to TAMU and TCU, etc. That is just reality.

Actually if we ran the athletic dept. more like a business than a school, I think we get there.

What are the total # of fans... UT vs Cleveland Browns, Jacksonville, Rams?
Size of stadiums?
Number of eyes from TV sets?
Paraphernalia sold per franchise?
Total Rev school vs NFL team (UT could make a lot more than it does)

I could go on here..... It only takes a bit of thinking to get this going.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

25 TD's in 3 years is NOT productive as a 3rd RB? What do you consider productive?... He also averaged more yard per carry than those other "better" backs.... Not using Bergeron more in the passing game was also a crime, had great hands.
Sanders was actually the 3rd best receiver as a True Soph and had 37 catches and a 63 yd TD that year along with those 376 yds...to say that is not contributing is just not true. The 3 RS's no one will ever know. They blew it.

Overstreet had 20 carries for 102 yds as a Freshman with 3 Stud RB's in front of him.....had a 4.0 ypc....no shame in that.

Some perspective....D'Onta had 15 Carries for 76 yards his first year with Strong as the coach behind Gray and Brown. D'Onta was no slouch as far as I am concerned.

Not disagreeing totally with you just on a few guys.

Great info and perspective from both of you. Thanks.

 

[speedstrength]

25 TD's in 3 years is NOT productive as a 3rd RB? What do you consider productive?... He also averaged more yard per carry than those other "better" backs.... Not using Bergeron more in the passing game was also a crime, had great hands.
Sanders was actually the 3rd best receiver as a True Soph and had 37 catches and a 63 yd TD that year along with those 376 yds...to say that is not contributing is just not true. The 3 RS's no one will ever know. They blew it.

Overstreet had 20 carries for 102 yds as a Freshman with 3 Stud RB's in front of him.....had a 4.0 ypc....no shame in that.

Some perspective....D'Onta had 15 Carries for 76 yards his first year with Strong as the coach behind Gray and Brown. D'Onta was no slouch as far as I am concerned.

Not disagreeing totally with you just on a few guys.

Overstreets yards came in 1 game. NMSU in garbage time. 9 carries for 92 yards in that one game. That means he had 11 carries for 10 yards in the other games. Stud running back maybe at the FCS level.

Sanders was the 4th receiver. Mike Davis, Jaxon Shipley and Marcus Johnson played ahead of him. John Harris was probably a better receiver but was way underused. If he was such a stud how come he only managed 470 yards in the sun belt.

As far a Burgeron goes he was the third best guy. 25 touchdowns was actually 5, 16 and 4. The reason for the 16 is because he got all the red zone carries after Malcom Brown got hurt. He wasn't the best back at the LSC. There is a reason he was Third on the team in carries. Brown had 214 carries, Gray had 159 carries and Burgeron had 73 carries. Brown was also a better receiver. Burgeron also had fumble issues. So yeah in 2013 he was a back up running back. Not a major contributor.

 

[swVAHorn]

Overstreets yards came in 1 game. NMSU in garbage time. 9 carries for 92 yards in that one game. That means he had 11 carries for 10 yards in the other games. Stud running back maybe at the FCS level.

Sanders was the 4th receiver. Mike Davis, Jaxon Shipley and Marcus Johnson played ahead of him. John Harris was probably a better receiver but was way underused. If he was such a stud how come he only managed 470 yards in the sun belt.

As far a Burgeron goes he was the third best guy. 25 touchdowns was actually 5, 16 and 4. The reason for the 16 is because he got all the red zone carries after Malcom Brown got hurt. He wasn't the best back at the LSC. There is a reason he was Third on the team in carries. Brown had 214 carries, Gray had 159 carries and Burgeron had 73 carries. Brown was also a better receiver. Burgeron also had fumble issues. So yeah in 2013 he was a back up running back. Not a major contributor.

They were productive. To say they were not is being dishonest. Your opinions are not facts. It does not matter that Bergeron got carries mostly in short yardage because that was his role with the team...and he did it well..and his YPC were higher than the 2 in front of him.... Sanders had better stats than Marcus Johnson. I never said any of these guys were "studs". You said they were not productive and I say they were. Now you are changing it to "major" contributor. So we agree to disagree and move on.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if "he was the 8th best guy" as long as he is productive when he plays. Bergeron and Sanders were for sure productive and Estelle started several games.

 

[bubba2023]

It wouldn't have taken future NFL players to help. We have been pretty bad. Just some okay college players could have helped.

 

[speedstrength]

They were productive. To say they were not is being dishonest. Your opinions are not facts. It does not matter that Bergeron got carries mostly in short yardage because that was his role with the team...and he did it well..and his YPC were higher than the 2 in front of him.... Sanders had better stats than Marcus Johnson. I never said any of these guys were "studs". You said they were not productive and I say they were. Now you are changing it to "major" contributor. So we agree to disagree and move on.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if "he was the 8th best guy" as long as he is productive when he plays. Bergeron and Sanders were for sure productive and Estelle started several games.

You cant just look at a season stat sheet and say one guy was more productive than the other. Overstreet was productive in garbage time vs NMSU. Johnson was hurt and didn't play in 2 games. Give him those 2 games and he has better stats than Sanders. Sanders was the #4 receiver, and probably should have been the 5th if they figured out how to use Harris.

In 2013 Burgeron was no longer the goal line back. That went to Brown. Brown was the better runner in short yardage and better in the passing game. Burgeron was on most of the special teams becuase they really didn't use him all that much at running back. Go back and read about Burgeron's diminished role in 2013 if you don't believe me. As a senior he was the 5th best back in the Division 2 Lone Star Conference. You want to call them productive fine but they were JAGs (Just a Guy) and their production could have been easily replaced by other backups on the roster

People are acting like we sucked in 2014 and 2015 because Strong cut a bunch of world Beaters. The orginal post was the 9 players that were dismissed contribiuted to a talent deficit which made us less compettive. In 2014 Burgeron is the 3rd or 4th best running back, Sanders is the 3rd or 4th wide receiver and that doesn't even matter because we had no issues at depth with running back or wide receivers. The issue was poor recruting at QB, OL and LB. Losing Estelle hurt. He started 8 games and there was no one to back him up. We had to bring over a DL becuase we were so thin on the loine. Our QBs were Ash, Heard and Swoopes. After Edmound and Hicks Left there were a bunch JAGs left at LB.

 

[Bwilk55]

Actually if we ran the athletic dept. more like a business than a school, I think we get there.

What are the total # of fans... UT vs Cleveland Browns, Jacksonville, Rams?
Size of stadiums?
Number of eyes from TV sets?
Paraphernalia sold per franchise?
Total Rev school vs NFL team (UT could make a lot more than it does)

I could go on here..... It only takes a bit of thinking to get this going.

Still not in the realm of realism here.

First off, our athletic department better not be run like a school, considering our athletic budgets and academic budgets are completely separate. We are one of the few schools to be able to operate in this way, due to our highly profitable football program.

You have to realize that the NCAA/BIG12 is very different than the NFL. For starters, our profitable football program must turn around and spend that money to pay for all other sports programs that are not profitable (only basketball makes a profit and baseball breaks even). We spend on huge chunk on football but not near as much as a NFL team can.

Further, the magnitude of budgets isn't even close. The NFL is expected to bring in 13 billion this year. It's all about TV money. There is no way Texas could ever come close to having the same income as even the worst NFL teams.

 

[swVAHorn]

You cant just look at a season stat sheet and say one guy was more productive than the other. Overstreet was productive in garbage time vs NMSU. Johnson was hurt and didn't play in 2 games. Give him those 2 games and he has better stats than Sanders. Sanders was the #4 receiver, and probably should have been the 5th if they figured out how to use Harris.

In 2013 Burgeron was no longer the goal line back. That went to Brown. Brown was the better runner in short yardage and better in the passing game. Burgeron was on most of the special teams becuase they really didn't use him all that much at running back. Go back and read about Burgeron's diminished role in 2013 if you don't believe me. As a senior he was the 5th best back in the Division 2 Lone Star Conference. You want to call them productive fine but they were JAGs (Just a Guy) and their production could have been easily replaced by other backups on the roster

People are acting like we sucked in 2014 and 2015 because Strong cut a bunch of world Beaters. The orginal post was the 9 players that were dismissed contribiuted to a talent deficit which made us less compettive. In 2014 Burgeron is the 3rd or 4th best running back, Sanders is the 3rd or 4th wide receiver and that doesn't even matter because we had no issues at depth with running back or wide receivers. The issue was poor recruting at QB, OL and LB. Losing Estelle hurt. He started 8 games and there was no one to back him up. We had to bring over a DL becuase we were so thin on the loine. Our QBs were Ash, Heard and Swoopes. After Edmound and Hicks Left there were a bunch JAGs left at LB.

Dude you got me mixed up with someone else.....I did not say anything about what was left or any of that other crap. I just pointed out these players I named were productive. I did not say they were NFL all pros. Calm down. You are putting a lot of your opinions and stating them as facts. They are not. I am done with this..

 

[speedstrength]

Dude you got me mixed up with someone else.....I did not say anything about what was left or any of that other crap. I just pointed out these players I named were productive. I did not say they were NFL all pros. Calm down. You are putting a lot of your opinions and stating them as facts. They are not. I am done with this..

Yeah my orignal post was when 4MNC posted that we had a talent deficit due to Strong dismissing 9 players and that those 9 players were contributors to the 8 wins in 2013. Of the 9 that were dismissed 1 (Estelle) maybe 2 (Estelle and Sanders) would have helped in 2013. People are running around saying well Strong shouldn't have dismissed 9 players and we would have run more games. He got rid of a bunch spares that wouldn't have made much of a difference in 2014

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Yeah my orignal post was when 4MNC posted that we had a talent deficit due to Strong dismissing 9 players and that those 9 players were contributors to the 8 wins in 2013. Of the 9 that were dismissed 1 (Estelle) maybe 2 (Estelle and Sanders) would have helped in 2013. People are running around saying well Strong shouldn't have dismissed 9 players and we would have run more games. He got rid of a bunch spares that wouldn't have made much of a difference in 2014

I do not know if Strong should have gotten rid of them or not. There are many ways to influence, therefore, lead people. I am not aware of all the techniques Strong applied. However, it appears that either Strong was not an influential leader to these guys or they just rebelled.

It also appears that Strong's plan was to recruit well and have good core values. After that, I couldn't see any semblance of a consistent plan under him. That (plus his assistant coaching carousel and on the field follies) leads me to question all of his decisions.

 

[speedstrength]

I do not know if Strong should have gotten rid of them or not. There are many ways to influence, therefore, lead people. I am not aware of all the techniques Strong applied. However, it appears that either Strong was not an influential leader to these guys or they just rebelled.

It also appears that Strong's plan was to recruit well and have good core values. After that, I couldn't see any semblance of a consistent plan under him. That (plus his assistant coaching carousel and on the field follies) leads me to question all of his decisions.

Kendall Sanders and Montrell Meander, indicted on sexual assault and expelled from school. Should he have kept hose two?

Overstreet had some sticky fingers and a drug problem. Was arrested 3 times in 6 months at Sam Houston. 2 times for theft and once for possession. Do you want a guy like that on your team?

All of the other guys it was for multiple failed drug test. Hell he even paid for 2 of them to go to rehab and they still couldn't get clean. It was pretty simple, put down the bong and go to class and those 6 guys couldn't do it. What about these Guys?

One kid that could was Daje Johnson. Kid was in and out of the trouble the moment he stepped on campus. He managed to turn things around when the others couldn't. Like I said earlier he got rid of 8 spares and 1 stud that would have been cancers on the team.

 

[MadDogKC]

swVA....I believe he did a great deal in "cleaning up the program" I think he did a good job in clearing out deadwood. I cite as proof the great "attrition" that occurred right after he came. The guys that left or were ushered out were poison in my opinion and needed to go. I dont think a single one of them did anything significant after leaving here. They were not super stars and they were all vastly over rated. I thank Strong for that. The bigger mystery to me is ....what happened to Mack? Not in the history of CFB has a team gone for playing in a National Championship game one year to a losing season the next. Mack just quit.

Charlie could recruit and he could set standards, but I now come to realize that he couldnt coach a lick.He was,as that sorry bastard McCombs said, a good position coach or even a coordinator, but not a head coach.He and Chizik,& Muschamp just cant be the boss. I dont agree that he baked the cake. I think he supplied the recipe, but he didnt know how to put it all together. I like Charlie, but I dont think he will ever be successful as a head coach.

I also disagree that he and Herman were much the same before coming here. There were red flags all over Strong. I didnt see them, but you did. Herman simply doesnt have those red flags. He has shown ability as a game day coach. Strong was known as not so good there.(hell Mack was no good there either)Herman is widely regarded as being very detail orientated. Strong was known not to be.....never gave a kicker a second thought....

I was told by someone I trust that I would love Strong every day but Saturday.Damned if he wasnt right.

Herman is supposed to be a top recruiter.....time will tell.... I doubt he will ever Strongs equal there, but who would be?However, I expect he will be able to bring victories where Strong would never have done. I hope that closes the recruiting gap. I dont expect much this year from recruiting, but I expect more from winning games.....that isnt Koolaide, that is expectation. If Herman appears as over matched as Strong in that regard, then he can move along as well.

I expect us to win more games,what I don't know if Herman can take us to promise land(NC).

 

[TexasRoc]

Strong's coaching was suspect at Texas, but he most definitely laid the foundation. I don't get why anyone is upset with his comments. He was fired for not winning 7 or 8 games this year, because the talent was there for it, just like it will be there for Herman to win 10 games next season. If Strong was expected to win 7 or 8 games, then 10 is most definitely attainable next season. If not, then why was Herman hired, and Strong fired. I don't want to hear about a new offense, or a new defense. Several other coaches are winning with much less talent, so if he is a good coach, he'll get it done. The talent is there on both sides of the ball.

QB: Shane, Sam
RB: Warren, Porter, Johnson, Toneil
WR: Collins, Devin, Burt, Armanti, Leonard
OL: Williams, Vahe, Hudson, Okafur, Shackleford, Delance, Hodges, Anderson, McMillon, Imade, Major, Urquidez
TE: Blake Whitely

DL: Elliot, Giles, Roach, Poona, Nelson, Charles, Fitzgerald, Southhall, Daniels, Christmas
LB: Malik, Wheeler, Fowler, McCulloch, Hager, Hughes, Freeman, Townsend, Boyd
DB: Boyd, Hill, Jones, Elliot, Locke, Davis (should move to safety), Cuffee, Brown

What position is lacking for talent, except for TE? Coaches making a lot less, and playing with less talent, are winning. Most of those players were recruited by the best teams in the country, so the talent is there, and they are old enough at this point. It's no longer about Strong, or what anyone thought about the job he did, or what anyone expected or required of him; so I don't care about any of that, as it has no impact on the now. I expect Herman to win 9 or 10 games in his first year.

 

[speedstrength]

Don't have an elite pass rusher. DT is young but talented. The best thing is no more GDDH in the defensive backfield. I don't know if we have a 10 win team but if we can play mistake free football then it is most definitely an 8-9 win team

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I'm looking for 7-8 wins in his first year. That will be a 16% - 25% improvement from 2016 (in overall season record). 10 wins (in 2017) would be a 41% improvement from 2016. That would truly prove that Herman is amazing and Strong sucks even more.

 

[TexasRoc]

With Hager, Roach, and Fowler, the pass rush should be decent enough...like I said before, several teams are winning with a lot less talent, so it doesn't have to be elite, to win 10 games. Look at the 10 win teams from last season. Those guys like Elliot, Christmas, Southall, and Daniles will be sophomores; that's old enough, to go along with Poona and Nelson. How many teams in the Big 12 will have more talent on the DL?

 

[speedstrength]

With Hager, Roach, and Fowler, the pass rush should be decent enough...like I said before, several teams are winning with a lot less talent, so it doesn't have to be elite, to win 10 games. Look at the 10 win teams from last season. Those guys like Elliot, Christmas, Southall, and Daniles will be sophomores; that's old enough, to go along with Poona and Nelson. How many teams in the Big 12 will have more talent on the DL?

Who is going to require a double team? Orlando bases out of a true 3-4. The Nose is a true 0 and the "ends" are playing a 4i technique. Most of the time he has one of the OLBs near the line of scrimmage in a stand up 5 or 9 technique. I don't know what the depth chart is going to look like but unless something changes most offensive lines can handle those guys 1 on 1 which means you have to bring 5.

 

[Bwilk55]

Don't have an elite pass rusher. DT is young but talented. The best thing is no more GDDH in the defensive backfield. I don't know if we have a 10 win team but if we can play mistake free football then it is most definitely an 8-9 win team

5th in the nation in sacks. I couldn't find individual sack numbers but I'd imagine most of them are coming back. The talent is there to get pressure.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

You just don't go from a NC team to nothing like Mack did, somethings wrong if you do.

Hook'em

Actually it is a very normal process. See Phil Fulmer, see Lloyd Carr, See John Cooper.

Every one of those guys had very good programs and everyone of them won national championships and then everyone of them faded just like Mack did.

You could also say the same thing about Bob Stoops but he keeps winning conference championships and has never had a truly bad season.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Mack Brown had 3 major problems which lead to his downfall.

1. He neither recruited or developed dominate offensive linemen. Maybe we did get great talent, hard to tell because we never developed them. The last great linemen we developed were part of the 2005 championship team.

2. Not a single great QB after Major left. We were all fooled by Gilbert, not just Mack, but it wasn't our job it was Mack's. I don't know what Mack did or didn't do but we passed on so much QB talent, maybe he did get lucky with Vince and Colt, but that luck ran out.

3. Switching from a spread offense to a power rushing offense and then forgetting to tell our offensive line. That is because we recruited offensive linemen for one type of offense and it wasn't for power running. Mack had a football shoved up his ass by Bama and wanted to land Malcolm Brown so he made promises to Brown that in truth he couldn't keep. That lead to the really bad 2010 season.

When it comes down to it, in the end Mack was much more concerned about salvaging his legacy than winning football games. He expect to win the championship in 2009 and ride off into the sunset, but it didn't happen and from that point forward he was sticking around trying to get that one last good season in, but it never happened. Finally, Texas pulled the plug, just like it did with Fred Akers.

 

[Bwilk55]

2. Not a single great QB after Major left. We were all fooled by Gilbert, not just Mack, but it wasn't our job it was Mack's. I don't know what Mack did or didn't do but we passed on so much QB talent, maybe he did get lucky with Vince and Colt, but that luck ran out.

Ummm....What? Lucky with Vince?? VY was the top recruit in the nation. There was nothing lucky there, that was a sure thing that turned out to be a sure thing. He was the definition of "great QB", much more so than Major. Won a BCS bowl game and NC in which he was MVP of both. Should have won a heisman.

Lucky with Colt, maybe, but remember Colt was probably recruited as a backup plan. Jevan Snead came in that same year as the number 2 dual QB in the nation. Mack recruited a highly touted QB and also brought in an underrated one who turned out to be better. That is some legit recruiting right there. (Aside, I was a freshmen with Colt. Saw Jevan in the dorm grocery store right after it was announced he was leaving. He was using up all his credit on gatorade and other snacks. If you don't use it, you lose it). Colt won more games than any other Texas QB, a BCS game, and had a chance at a Natty.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your post, but the two best QBs in Texas history came after Major left.

 

[HornsRuleU]

I am always amazed at how Mack was such a talent finder and then just stopped doing it. He had it all. He could have maybe surpassed DKR if he had kept after it like the first several years he was here....and could win some conf champs! He was his own worst enemy.

Aren't we all?

 

[HornsRuleU]

dominant

That is all.

 

[jsto60]

I have been thinking about Strong and his comments....I baked the cake....then at his press conf he said basically the same thing with the comment.....I laid the foundation for great success....

These statements kind of hit me wrong. It is like he is taking credit for future success....or.....He is saying it is not his fault if there is no success.

Am I taking these statements wrong? I kind of hope I am because I like Strong. But it just seems he can't accept his role in the last 3 years.

Totally agree.

He has a point, in that he puts some ingredients in a bowl. But his cake lost to Kansas. I am not sure he would have ever figured it out and created a cake anyone would pay to eat. In his heart of hearts, he believes he could have and he knows the capability of this roster.

But he needs to move on. He wasn't squeezing out the talent. He was under .500. With nothing but hopes and dreams on the table and that isn't ok in year 3.

 

[oldhorn2]

I have been pretty hard on Mack. I dont appologize for it, but I might need to soften my stance. Mack deserved a better fate. He really had the team to win it all 2 years in a row. He did everything just like he was supposed to.Then unreal bad breaks....call it fate....stepped in and squashed him. No wonder he was broken after that. I still think the 2008 team was better than the 2009 team....a certain interception unexplainably dropped....a crooked vote by a POS coach, and he doesnt even get to play for it. Then 2009 comes and he gets in the game. We are on our way to not just winning, but dominating and the heavy hand of fate again crushes the life right out of him.

Perhaps Mack didnt quit as I had thought, he just didnt have anything left.

 

[swVAHorn]

I have been pretty hard on Mack. I dont appologize for it, but I might need to soften my stance. Mack deserved a better fate. He really had the team to win it all 2 years in a row. He did everything just like he was supposed to.Then unreal bad breaks....call it fate....stepped in and squashed him. No wonder he was broken after that. I still think the 2008 team was better than the 2009 team....a certain interception unexplainably dropped....a crooked vote by a POS coach, and he doesnt even get to play for it. Then 2009 comes and he gets in the game. We are on our way to not just winning, but dominating and the heavy hand of fate again crushes the life right out of him.

Perhaps Mack didnt quit as I had thought, he just didnt have anything left.

Gilbert being a bust and then getting no other QB hurt a lot. Offensive line recruiting was just awful and I can't understand how recruiting took the nosedive it did under Mack Brown. This is what the man was KNOWN for. Maybe he thought he was bigger than the program? Who knows. He had it all and let it slip away. He was forgiven for getting crushed by ou when 99.9% of Texas coaches would not have been forgiven (well at least he kept his job lol) because Texas was SO close every year.

Mack had some bad luck with highly ranked players not panning out for sure. But some of that is on him for changing up what was working. He wanted to change to power when he was whipping everyone with the spread. Hell he would have beaten Bama if Colt did not get hurt with a subpar offensive line. He was his own worst enemy.

 

[speedstrength]

5th in the nation in sacks. I couldn't find individual sack numbers but I'd imagine most of them are coming back. The talent is there to get pressure.

Actually 8th in the Nation in sacks at 41 and 102 in sacks allowed
Did you watch us play? 14 of our 41 sacks came from DL. We got sacks because of all of the exotic blitz packages we ran. We had 8 DB sacks. I have no way of looking this up but I wonder how many of those sacks came when we brought the 5th guy. Just for some prespective FSU lead the nation in sacks. 37.5 out of 47 sacks from the DL, 1 DB sack. Clemson was number 2nd. 32.5 out of 46 sacks from the DL, 2 DB sacks. Clemson was 9th in total D, FSU was 29th, we were 94th. We need guys on the DL who can command double teams and we need to be able to get pressure with the guys playing on the line. Hagar and Fowler may end up being those guys but right now I am not counting on anything.