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The coming storm.

Oh, you think someone told me about the current rate of inflation instead of looking it up myself. Cool.

Must be weird to fully and completely assume everyone cares what the media says. Also, what source do you prefer to use to confirm the rate of inflation as it is quarter over quarter?
I'm not an economist but I know what I see in real life and what my bills are. Also, all those jobs Biden told you about... yeah that was all BS. I assume the inflation numbers are as well.

https://nypost.com/2024/08/20/busin...brace-for-downward-revision-of-1m-fewer-jobs/
 
I dont know what harris has done, I havent paid any attention.

But I see people say this but since covid started I've had the my best earnings years of my life. I paid off a car, a student loan and all of my cc debt. I've just been stacking and stacking. It's an economy that if you are willing to work, there's plenty of it out there.

I know inflation is a thing and i know certain things cost more but i myself have not noticed the loss in my bank account balance. Primarily because i make a lot more as a percentage of my previous income now than the increased rate of inflation. I even found a bank that offers a near 9% APY on a checking account so that's pretty nice. Still locked in to my sub 3% mortgage too.

As long as the opportunity for earning more exists you will be good
What's your thoughts on Harris's proposed economic policies?

25K to first time home buyers
Federal price cap on what companies can sell their goods for
 
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Ummm idk about y'all but I made more money during Trump's term than Bidens....just straight up. Made more and spent less. But I'm not really into these convos on a football forum...a week away from football..
 
What's your thoughts on Harris's proposed economic policies?

25K to first time home buyers
Federal price cap on what companies can sell their goods for
I dont know any of her policies. She posts none of them on her website.

I like helping out first time home buyers though and the idea of a price cap on certain goods can be a good thing too. Might need more details
 
You're defending Biden and creating a strawman argument at the same time.

Of course inflation is transitory. So is continental drift. So is the sun turning into a red giant and consuming the earth.
But that's not the context that Biden used-- and you know this-- yet you defend his words. And inflation isn't controlled by the President-- but the policies of the white house CAN have an effect on the ebb and flow of inflation.
And let's REALLY look at inflation now- the Biden white house tries to say "well inflation is at 3.9% and slowing...."

Well-- we know that is complete and utter bullsh!t. By even a conservative measure, groceries are up 25% since 2019. Gasoline was a national average of $2.55 in 2019.... now it's up to $3.41.

That's over a 25% increase there. Have you SEEN auto and home owner insurance costs? I haven't had a claim on my home OR auto in a decade-- my HO insurance is up 80% and my auto up 60%.
In 2023 I got a quote to resurface my entire pool and build an outdoor cook station-- it was $65k. I found out we were pregnant and didn't want the noise etc to bother the expectant mother- so I put it off. The same guy, same quote came back last week at $105k.

And it's OBVIOUS to John Q Citizen that this is going on. But the media (sell outs) hate Trump SO much that they white wash this economic bad news to protect the current administration.

And yes-- the American economy IS powerful enough to do exactly what you said--- control the world's economy--- even in Germany.
Why did Europe create the EU? So the US, China, India, Russia etc- couldn't control the purchasing power across the globe. Europe wanted a bigger seat at the table. More influence. But the MINUTE the US closed everything down in 2020- the ENTIRE GLOBAL ECONOMY fell into disarray. So YES-- we CAN control the global economy to a very large extent. Not TOTALLY- but we are the main driver.
Biden is irrelevant, i dont need to defend him

Yes, inflation is transitionary.

Yes i have seen my insurance costs. It hasnt changed much for me, sucks for you though that yours went up. You have my sympathy.

Ah yes, price gouging sucks too, my sympathies.

I dont pay attention to media, so for the people that do....they have my sympathy too. They really need it, because they get so angry like you.

I dont think the US is so powerful their president alone can trashcan the entire planet economically causing runaway inflation in every country on earth. I generally pay attention and give folks enough respect that i will listen to everything they say but this is when people start to lose me.

I do however fully recognize that the consequences of what happened in 2020 + the response by all of the world's governments would would hit us like a tidal wave in a few years time, and here we are bearing the brunt of that wave. I also recognize that a boost in demand, amid weak supply chains can (and did) cause widespread shipping and delivery problems. Combined with other factors like lack of access to raw materials, and labor combined to contribute to supply shortages which was fuel for inflation. It's not just some retard monkey pressing buttons in the white house, it's the consequences of a series of decisions made at varying levels of government and private businesses across the whole planet.

Now if you had said it like that I can get behind that. but in this day and age of 'gotcha' politics, people on the right and people on the left only want to look for someone or something to blame. You can win an election if you can successfully convince the electorate that whoever you are running against is the reason for our problems. This mindset is why congress has a 90% re-election rate despite consistently poor approval ratings.
 
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What's your thoughts on Harris's proposed economic policies?

25K to first time home buyers - Great plan. Let's make it easy for people that can't afford what they're buying to get a loan by inflating their down payment capability. That worked amazingly well around 2008.
Federal price cap on what companies can sell their goods for - Brilliant! It's been a smashing success in Venezuela and every other time it's been tried everywhere else in the world.
 
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I dont know any of her policies. She posts none of them on her website.

I like helping out first time home buyers though and the idea of a price cap on certain goods can be a good thing too. Might need more details
What do you think giving a large portion of people 25K extra to spend on a house will do to home prices (that are already high) ?

What do you think a company will do if they all of a sudden are told that they can't charge over $7 for a product they used to sell for $8?
 
What do you think giving a large portion of people 25K extra to spend on a house will do to home prices (that are already high) ?

What do you think a company will do if they all of a sudden are told that they can't charge over $7 for a product they used to sell for $8?
Instead of asking more leading questions after i already answered your other questions...maybe you can make your point instead? Going back and forth answering unending questions isnt very interesting. I'm not a celebrity being interviewed
 
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Joe and the Ho are trying like a muh fugga to NOT cause a recession-- but it's too late.

The question is this- the 30% of America that fvcking hates Trump, will they bite down for 4 months and get their asses kicked in the wallet and pretend the whole fvcking financial world isn't collapsing, just to get to the finish line with Kumala?
that is a yes
 
Instead of asking more leading questions after i already answered your other questions...maybe you can make your point instead? Going back and forth answering unending questions isnt very interesting. I'm not a celebrity being interviewed
I'm trying to understand how anyone would think those policies are a good idea. They seem very stupid to me but maybe I'm missing something... and you seem to know everything so I figured I'd ask you.
 
that is a yes
I am a never trumper, but also a never kamala harriser too. I cant bring myself to ever vote for either of them. Same dilemma I had in 2016. These parties keep nominating the least likeable people possible (to me). BUT if trump offers my man Kennedy a spot in his administration, I would just note vote for the presidential. I wont vote for him but i wouldnt vote against like I did the last two times.

I think on balance we'd be better off without the mysterious cabal of leftists that have been behind the scenes running things while the kid sniffer acts confused.
 
I am a never trumper, but also a never kamala harriser too. I cant bring myself to ever vote for either of them. Same dilemma I had in 2016. These parties keep nominating the least likeable people possible (to me). BUT if trump offers my man Kennedy a spot in his administration, I would just note vote for the presidential. I wont vote for him but i wouldnt vote against like I did the last two times.

I think on balance we'd be better off without the mysterious cabal of leftists that have been behind the scenes running things while the kid sniffer acts confused.
i think you should make 2 lists of policy intentions ( 1 for Democrat and 1 for Republicans) and forget looking for moral clarity with any politician

i will always take the outsider though as i think Washington DC is a cesspool of corruption and unteachable incompetence


Trump has become a convenient STUPID button for some people to press instead of getting into policy differences that are quite different and would impact our country in completely different ways
 
i think you should make 2 lists of policy intentions ( 1 for Democrat and 1 for Republicans) and forget looking for moral clarity with any politician

i will always take the outsider though as i think Washington DC is a cesspool of corruption and unteachable incompetence


Trump has become a convenient STUPID button for some people to press instead of getting into policy differences that are quite different and would impact our country in completely different ways
My desires for policy dont reflect the trajectory of either of these parties. I lean left on some issues, and I lean right on others. I never lean one way on everything, that seems kind of dumb to me.
 
Could someone explain to me the idea of taxing "unrealized" capitol gains? What is that? How would those unrealized gains be calculated? How far would that go?.....this is important because "unrealized " capital gains covers a lot of area, including much that has never been discussed.....i.e.
1. all investments
2.farm and ranch land
3.art collections, coin collections, jewelry, etc
4.sports teams
5. HOMES !!!!
6.small businesses

The list could go on and on ad nauseum and we are not just talking wall street fat cats.

Then, what is the purpose? Will it raise revenue or will it cause panic selling? Seriously, I would like someone smart to lay out what this does.

Next I would like to know the proposed time frame. Is it a one time deal or could one be taxed year after year on the same thing?
 
I think it's a desperate attempt to increase revenues and reflects a real problem that we have. we are hemorrhaging money.

On paper it sounds nice but in reality it doesnt really work. I think the proposal is only for those assets worth 100million or more so it wouldnt directly impact 99.9% of people but it doesnt mean rich people with good money managers dont know ways out of it. just move that money around.

They'd be better off increasing realized capital gains at a higher rate for rich folks and at a normal rate for us plebes. Of course, rich folks dont need the money so they can hold off on that for however long they want. We do though, generally, so we'll end up being the ones who pay out more for capital gains than they do by a percentage of our income. or they could charge cap gains tax based on how much you do pull out, it raises along with the amount of money pulled out. so much to think about. I dont know what the most reasonable solution is because rich folks hire all the best money people to avoid as much tax as possible.

As far as what it applies to, they'd definitely have to hammer out those details. it's too open ended.
 
Could someone explain to me the idea of taxing "unrealized" capitol gains? What is that? How would those unrealized gains be calculated? How far would that go?.....this is important because "unrealized " capital gains covers a lot of area, including much that has never been discussed.....i.e.
1. all investments
2.farm and ranch land
3.art collections, coin collections, jewelry, etc
4.sports teams
5. HOMES !!!!
6.small businesses

The list could go on and on ad nauseum and we are not just talking wall street fat cats.

Then, what is the purpose? Will it raise revenue or will it cause panic selling? Seriously, I would like someone smart to lay out what this does.

Next I would like to know the proposed time frame. Is it a one time deal or could one be taxed year after year on the same thing?
One would have to assume that it would be a year over year thing since theoretically property values could increase annually. Also, what's the mechanism to offset the money you've paid in when the system cycles and all that stuff you mentioned goes down in value? I'm sure the gument will be ready and willing to cut you a refund when your property values (houses, stocks, businesses, etc) go down.

Their biggest target for "unrealized gains" is going to be 401k and other pretax retirement plans. It makes sense since it's not really fair that you would work your ass off and dump as much money as possible into a pretax retirement plan while Jose Venezuela doesn't have that option. Why should you get more than he does?
 
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On balance, taxing unrealized capital gains could indeed be more harmful to the average person, even if the tax is primarily aimed at the wealthy. Here’s how:

1. Market Volatility:

  • If wealthy investors are forced to sell assets to pay taxes on unrealized gains, this could lead to significant market volatility. A sharp decline in asset prices could negatively affect retirement accounts, pensions, and other investments that regular people rely on.

2. Indirect Economic Impact:

  • The wealthy might not be directly affected if they have the means to maneuver around the tax, but the broader economy could suffer. Reduced investment in startups, small businesses, and other growth areas could lead to slower economic growth, fewer job opportunities, and a more challenging environment for economic advancement.

3. Precedent for Future Taxation:

  • Once a tax on unrealized gains is established, there’s a concern that it could eventually be expanded to include assets held by less wealthy individuals. Even if the initial threshold is high (e.g., $100 million), there’s a risk that future governments could lower the threshold, potentially affecting a broader segment of the population.

4. Impact on Retirement and Savings:

  • If the tax were to apply to a broader range of assets or if it set a precedent for taxing other types of unrealized gains (like those in retirement accounts), it could reduce the incentives for saving and investing, particularly for middle-class individuals trying to secure their financial future.

5. Complexity and Compliance Costs:

  • Even if the tax doesn’t apply directly to the average person, the increased complexity of the tax system could lead to higher costs for tax preparation and compliance. These costs could be passed down through higher fees or reduced returns on investments, indirectly affecting the average person.

Conclusion:

While the tax is designed to target the ultra-wealthy, the potential for broader economic disruption, market volatility, and the precedent it could set means that the average person could indeed feel negative effects. The complexities and unintended consequences of such a tax could outweigh the intended benefits, making it potentially more harmful to the average person in the long run.
 
My desires for policy don't reflect the trajectory of either of these parties. I lean left on some issues, and I lean right on others. I never lean one way on everything, that seems kind of dumb to me.
vague enough for me
 
Unrealized capital gain taxes are a ploy being used by Democrats.

Always propose something REALLY terrible so that when you pass the diet coke version of it, people are glad you didn't pass the Dr Evil version of it.

All the while, Democrats REALLY just wanted the diet coke version all along.
 
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Unrealized capital gain taxes are a ploy being used by Democrats.

Always propose something REALLY terrible so that when you pass the diet coke version of it, people are glad you didn't pass the Dr Evil version of it.

All the while, Democrats REALLY just wanted the diet coke version all along.
Anybody else remember Zeppa Oil? Mr. Zeppa was an oilman from Tyler. He was getting on in years, had more money than he could spend. He decided to give his company to his loyal employees. They all got shares, all happy. Just happened to do it right before the oil crash of the 80s. By April 15, the shares were worthless. But the employees were on the hook for income tax on the initial values of the shares.
 
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Anybody else remember Zeppa Oil? Mr. Zeppa was an oilman from Tyler. He was getting on in years, had more money than he could spend. He decided to give his company to his loyal employees. They all got shares, all happy. Just happened to do it right before the oil crash of the 80s. By April 15, the shares were worthless. But the employees were on the hook for income tax on the initial values of the shares.
Joe Zeppa and Delta drilling. My dad told me that story as a kid.
 
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Chatgpt doesnt love it
On balance, taxing unrealized capital gains could indeed be more harmful to the average person, even if the tax is primarily aimed at the wealthy. Here’s how:

1. Market Volatility:

  • If wealthy investors are forced to sell assets to pay taxes on unrealized gains, this could lead to significant market volatility. A sharp decline in asset prices could negatively affect retirement accounts, pensions, and other investments that regular people rely on.

2. Indirect Economic Impact:

  • The wealthy might not be directly affected if they have the means to maneuver around the tax, but the broader economy could suffer. Reduced investment in startups, small businesses, and other growth areas could lead to slower economic growth, fewer job opportunities, and a more challenging environment for economic advancement.

3. Precedent for Future Taxation:

  • Once a tax on unrealized gains is established, there’s a concern that it could eventually be expanded to include assets held by less wealthy individuals. Even if the initial threshold is high (e.g., $100 million), there’s a risk that future governments could lower the threshold, potentially affecting a broader segment of the population.

4. Impact on Retirement and Savings:

  • If the tax were to apply to a broader range of assets or if it set a precedent for taxing other types of unrealized gains (like those in retirement accounts), it could reduce the incentives for saving and investing, particularly for middle-class individuals trying to secure their financial future.

5. Complexity and Compliance Costs:

  • Even if the tax doesn’t apply directly to the average person, the increased complexity of the tax system could lead to higher costs for tax preparation and compliance. These costs could be passed down through higher fees or reduced returns on investments, indirectly affecting the average person.

Conclusion:

While the tax is designed to target the ultra-wealthy, the potential for broader economic disruption, market volatility, and the precedent it could set means that the average person could indeed feel negative effects. The complexities and unintended consequences of such a tax could outweigh the intended benefits, making it potentially more harmful to the average person in the long run.
RFK Jr just threw his support behind Trump.

Rumor is that Trump will offer him a cabinet posting.

Sec of State is my bet.

I guess you'll be pulling the lever for Trump now?

Or are we going to see some stylish mental gymnastics?
 
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RFK Jr just threw his support behind Trump.

Rumor is that Trump will offer him a cabinet posting.

Sec of State is my bet.

I guess you'll be pulling the lever for Trump now?

Or are we going to see some stylish mental gymnastics?
it wont be Sec of state in the by any means


more like health and human services or as a prioritized head of a task force to clean up big pharma
 
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it wont be Sec of state in the by any means


more like health and human services or as a prioritized head of a task force to clean up big pharma
I say SoS because his last name is Kennedy. Stupid ass Europeans still pine for the last name.
 
not on this one

it will be health related and aimed at big pharma

add Elon and Vivek, Flynn, Tulsi and you start really tackling the administrative state
it will be non stop hysteria from the fake news
I can't wait for the day that We the People get to burn the 4th estate to the ground.
 
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Trump is a mess and is starting to show his age a little bit.

Kamala's policies are straight up scary.

I'd say we're fvcked.
 
Trump is a mess and is starting to show his age a little bit.

Kamala's policies are straight up scary.

I'd say we're fvcked.
He's always been a bit of a mess. But what's the alternative?
A cock smoking whore that fvcked her way into politics and wants to try and put an unrealized capital gains tax on our sh!t?
 
Texas is about to withhold tax receipts from the federal government. How do I know, we are tallying expenses for illegals and forwarding them to the bureaucracy. It's about to get real.
 
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