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The Kevin Sumlin vs. Charlie Strong recruiting battle is over. Charlie

Can you find where I "pimped" Sumlin. If you would read you will see I haven't pimped or the Aggies. I'll wait while you find something I've said. My opinion carries as much as yours as bad as that hurts your feelings. Texas recruits talking badly about Aggies? Really? Is this new? ESPN writers talking badly about A&M? Really? Is this new? Not the same ESPN that is affiliated with the Longhorn Network? Surely they wouldn't say positive things about Texas??? Malik never WAS committed to the Aggies. Are you typing drunk again? What makes you think you have a quarterback this year? Are you going by the same writers who said Heard was the real deal after the OU game? Just because you type it doesn't make it so. Reality is you finished with Kansas and Iowa St as the only teams not to make a bowl in the Big 12. There should be a LOT of improvement this year, it can't get any worse.

ALL aggys have pimped Sumlin, you have to I am sure of it. ANd everybody normally always talks bad about aggy... now thee are just more ppl LAUGHING at aggy. Malik was considered a lock to a&m before he was flipped - you idiots had a melt down over that..... pretty sure he had a verbal to you guys too... but it doesnt matter... It isnt just Texas fans that think we have a solid option at QB, but I forget that aggys dont believe anything anyone says that are professionals if it isnt good news for you guys.... recruits arent that good if they go somewhere else, your recruits are always the best, etc etc.... so the fact most national media outlets and sportswriters believe it, means it is flase since that doesnt bode well for the aggys...and yeah we missed a bowl.... should have made it with a few of the games we played going the way they went, but that doesnt matter anymore, its a new year. There WILL be improvement for Texas this year.... it will be funny to watch us rise back towads the top while y'all get gasoline dumped on the current dumpster fire that is yoru school....

In the end Im not digging through months of posts to prove that you were a koolaid sipping aggy about Sumlin like the rest of your little cultish fanbase and posters. You know you did, I know you did and I would be willing to bet that 99% of this board know it as well.... deny all you want, we know the truth....

Bottom line is Texas>>>>>aggy.... even when we are down that still applies. And to show Im not just pumping sunshine how about a sig bet on who has the better year this year? Duration and content to be decided... or perhaps a break from these boards.... for 6 months at the end of the season?
 
ALL aggys have pimped Sumlin, you have to I am sure of it. ANd everybody normally always talks bad about aggy... now thee are just more ppl LAUGHING at aggy. Malik was considered a lock to a&m before he was flipped - you idiots had a melt down over that..... pretty sure he had a verbal to you guys too... but it doesnt matter... It isnt just Texas fans that think we have a solid option at QB, but I forget that aggys dont believe anything anyone says that are professionals if it isnt good news for you guys.... recruits arent that good if they go somewhere else, your recruits are always the best, etc etc.... so the fact most national media outlets and sportswriters believe it, means it is flase since that doesnt bode well for the aggys...and yeah we missed a bowl.... should have made it with a few of the games we played going the way they went, but that doesnt matter anymore, its a new year. There WILL be improvement for Texas this year.... it will be funny to watch us rise back towads the top while y'all get gasoline dumped on the current dumpster fire that is yoru school....

In the end Im not digging through months of posts to prove that you were a koolaid sipping aggy about Sumlin like the rest of your little cultish fanbase and posters. You know you did, I know you did and I would be willing to bet that 99% of this board know it as well.... deny all you want, we know the truth....

Bottom line is Texas>>>>>aggy.... even when we are down that still applies. And to show Im not just pumping sunshine how about a sig bet on who has the better year this year? Duration and content to be decided... or perhaps a break from these boards.... for 6 months at the end of the season?
Always up for a friendly sig bet. As far as who said what it doesn't matter to me what someone believes or doesn't. I have said I don't think Strong has what it takes to do it at Texas and I'll stand by that. I've said he looks lost on the sidelines. I'll stand by all that, but I've never pimped Sumlin. I gave him a timeline which he failed. I said last year should have been his year to win 10 games and compete for the SEC championship. I still say he should be doing it this year with the talent he has on the field. If he doesn't I think he should be gone. It's that simple. Malik was a hit to all Aggies because yes we all felt he was a heavy Aggie lean. Again, I told you guys then Malik was a great get for you guys just like I said many times about many Texas recruits. The only kid I said I was glad not to get was Chris Daniels and I said that BEFORE Texas got him and he was just starting to lean Texas' way. I'll stand by that as well. I've seen the kid play and he took several plays off and gave up on many plays which I can't stand.
 
Strong is following a proven plan to rebuild the program.

This weekend, one of the national guys on the satellite radio college sports station was raving about Strong's '15 and '16 classes and his rebuilding a program devoid of talent. Went on to say whoever is the coach in '17, be it Strong or someone else, will have a loaded roster to work with unlike what Strong inherited.
 
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This weekend, one of the national guys on the satellite radio college sports station was raving about Strong's '15 and '16 classes and his rebuilding a program devoid of talent. Went on to say whoever is the coach in '17, be it Strong or someone else, will have a loaded roster to work with unlike what Strong inherited.
This is 100% true.
 
Go back and read again after the Iowa St game and read the game day boards. We will see who is lying.
You are.

A) "Most" on here didn't want Strong gone. Big lie.

B) I'm here year round, rain or shine. Bigger lie.
 
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For what it's worth I was one Aggie who wanted Strong as our coach before Sumlin. (Really thought we should have hired Chad Morris back then, but nobody was listening to me). Charlie will do fine.... Kevin? Ask me in a few months.
 
It's like you're not acknowledging we have a new QB and new proven OC this year but want to make it sound like it's the same staff and team as last year and it'll turn out the exact same or better yet for you get worse or something. Boy that would be dishonest and dumb, no?

Nah, we couldn't have possibly made improvements or had 2 very good recruiting classes in a row that will show dividends this season because "moving in the right direction" doesn't fit into your bitter, envious, obsessed t.u. sucks narrative now does it, do nothing aggy.


Do you really have a proven OC? He was coaching HS football 4 seasons ago. He didn't call plays for his school last year. He certainly comes from a proven system but saying that is proven is a stretch IMO.
 
Do you really have a proven OC? He was coaching HS football 4 seasons ago. He didn't call plays for his school last year. He certainly comes from a proven system but saying that is proven is a stretch IMO.
Of course it's a stretch to you. You're an aggy and it's a positive comment about t.u. Of course you're going to push back on that. Interesting you didn't touch on the past 4 years of his college coaching which is the topic here. He was OC or co-OC all 4 of these years btw. Actually not interesting at all, typically dishonest and lazy analysis from an aggy per usual.

2012: Eastern Illinois: 8th in FCS in scoring offense http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IAA_teamscoroff&site=org&div=IAA&dest=O
2013: Eastern Illinois: 1st in FCS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2014: Bowling Green: 56th in FBS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2015: Tulsa - 21st in FBS in scoring offense http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/27
 
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Of course it's a stretch to you. You're an aggy and it's a positive comment about t.u. Of course you're going to push back on that. Interesting you didn't touch on the past 4 years of his college coaching which is the topic here. He was OC or co-OC all 4 of these years btw. Actually not interesting at all, typically dishonest and lazy analysis from an aggy per usual.

2012: Eastern Illinois: 8th in FCS in scoring offense http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IAA_teamscoroff&site=org&div=IAA&dest=O
2013: Eastern Illinois: 1st in FCS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2014: Bowling Green: 56th in FBS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2015: Tulsa - 21st in FBS in scoring offense http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/27

2 years in FBS? 56th in his only year to call plays in FBS? But yes he must be good. I mean you had to send a full groveling contingent to Tulsa and give him a pay raise before he was hired to get him to accept the job.
 
4 years of success as a college OC equals proven. I see you're still spinning, dishonest aggy. And yeah, he was OC at Tulsa last year but wasn't involved with plays. That's honest as well.
 
4 years of success as a college OC equals proven. I see you're still spinning, dishonest aggy. And yeah, he was OC at Tulsa last year but wasn't involved with plays. That's honest as well.

You are so cavalier about accusing people of lying. Look at my 2 previous posts. Which part of it is dishonest? Granted, referring to your contingent as "groveling" is an opinion although I don't know what else one would call it. You call Gilbert "proven". That's an opinion, pure and simple, but I'm not calling you a liar for having this opinion. I don't think he is "proven" and I seriously doubt the typical, knowledgeable CFB fan would either.

Gilbert was the OC last year and didn't call plays. No shame in that but its true. He was coaching HS football 4 years ago. Again, fact. That doesn't mean he wont be a success.

Bottom line its a crap shoot. When you guys got Harsin that appeared to be a sure thing but didn't work out that way. We wont know until the fall.
 
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Look at my 2 previous posts. Which part of it is dishonest?
Keep splitting that hair concerning play calling. It's up for debate how much of that he's done on the FBS level. He oversaw the offense. You're being intentionally deceptive to make him sound inexperienced at the college level. I know aggys have a much lower bar when it comes to truth telling but that's clearly dishonest. He's been successful at the college level as OC for 4 straight years.

The Texas Longhorns have their new offensive coordinator. Tulsa co-offensive coordinator Sterlin Gilbert has accepted the position on the Forty Acres and will lead the Texas offense in 2016 after interviewing in Austin with Charlie Strong on Wednesday.

Gilbert, 37, comes to the Longhorns with a reputation of being a bright offensive mind. A San Angelo native, Gilbert has extensive experience coaching at the high school level in Texas and has some connections that could prove invaluable as Strong gives him the keys to the offense.

Here are five things you might want to know about Gilbert as he prepares to turn around Texas' offensive fortunes:

1. Gilbert oversaw an offense at Tulsa that finished the 2015 season ranking in the Top 25 nationally in passing (11th), total offense (14th) and scoring offense (22nd).

He worked with the Golden Hurricane quarterbacks and wide receivers during his one year with the program. Tulsa head coach Philip Montgomery, who was previously the offensive coordinator at Baylor and is an Art Briles protege, called Tulsa's plays and worked with the quarterbacks.

2. The Briles coaching tree has many branches, Gilbert being one of them. One of his first gigs was as a graduate assistant on Briles' staff at the University of Houston in 2005.

At Houston is where Gilbert first crossed paths with Briles and Montgomery, who was Briles' co-offensive coordinator, and Matt Mattox, an offensive line coach who currently serves as the other half of Tulsa's coordinator duo. Briles' spread offense is a balanced attack with an emphasis on the running game in addition to a passing game predicated on down-field passes that can also strain a defense with its sideline-to-sideline spacing and a premium on speed and explosiveness at the perimeter skill positions.

Gilbert got more familiar with the offense after his college career at Angelo State, where he was a two-time All-Lone Star Conference quarterback, ended. After spending two seasons as an assistant coach at Springtown and serving his apprenticeship at Houston, Gilbert served as the offensive coordinator for former Briles assistant, Mike Spradlin, at Abilene Cooper.

Gilbert was the head coach at his high school alma mater, San Angelo Lake View, for three seasons before he rejoined Spradlin as the offensive coordinator at Temple in 2011. After one season with the Wildcats he was hired as the offensive coordinator at Eastern Illinois by another Briles assistant, Dino Babers.

3. How much play-calling experience Gilbert has is up for debate. Montgomery calls the plays at Tulsa and the only job Gilbert has had where he is believed to have called plays at the college level was during his two-year stint at Eastern Illinois.

While at Eastern Illinois, where Gilbert was the co-offensive coordinator for Babers, Gilbert earned FCS Offensive Coordinator of the Year honors from FootballScoop.com. He also helped develop current New England Patriots quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo, who threw for 8,873 yards and 84 touchdowns in two seasons under Gilbert.

Published reports have suggested Babers called plays at Bowling Green. At best, Gilbert has three years of play-calling experience, while at worst he's never called plays beyond the FCS level of competition.

4. The offenses Gilbert oversaw at Eastern Illinois and Bowling Green leaned more to the pass than the Briles offense has in recent years. In Gilbert's one season at Bowling Green under Babers the Falcons averaged 259.9 passing yards per game good enough for 40th in the nation.

Combine that production with what Gilbert oversaw at Tulsa (329.8 yards per game) in addition to what Gilbert saw the offense do at Eastern Illinois and there will be some structure in place to improve a passing game that needs it in a bad way. Texas finished the 2015 season ranked 117th nationally in passing offense (145.9 yards per game), which placed the Longhorns last in the Big 12.

Gilbert will have all four of Texas' scholarship quarterbacks from 2015 back in his meeting room – Tyrone Swoopes, Jerrod Heard, Kai Locksley and Matthew Merrick – in addition to welcoming four-star signee Shane Buechele into the fold. Finding the right guy to pull the trigger is likely going to be the biggest indicator of success or failure for Gilbert in a make-or-break year for Strong.

5. Gilbert's offense at Bowling Green averaged 173 rushing yards per game in 2014, which ranked 54th nationally. Tulsa ranked 63rd nationally running the football this season, but the yards per game average was the same as it was when Gilbert was on Babers' staff with the Falcons (172.9 yards per game).

The ability of Gilbert to achieve offensive balance and have an offense capable of running football will be hugely important to Texas' success in 2016. The Longhorns ranked 20th nationally in rushing last season (224.8 yards per game) and all four players who rushed for at least 450 yards last season – Swoopes, Heard, D'Onta Foreman and Chris Warren – all return next season.

It's evident Strong wants Texas' identity to be that of a power spread team capable of leaning on the run to win games (see Auburn, Baylor, Ohio State, etc.). The style of play Gilbert is familiar with can certainly allow Texas to achieve that and the pieces the Longhorns have available to work with (three All-Big 12 caliber pieces on the offensive line with Kent Perkins, Connor Williams and Patrick Vahe along with the aforementioned rushers) fit that style of play much better than the traditional Air Raid offense.
 
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For what it's worth, Gilbert was able to have his offense smoking OU's D pretty bad at the beginning of the season. I don know how much of that was because of OU's depleted secondary but they looked like a damn baylor offense. But they laid some eggs throughout the season as well.
 
Finished 13th in total offense with 4332 receiving/2264 rushing and 58 TD's.
 
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2 years in FBS? 56th in his only year to call plays in FBS? But yes he must be good. I mean you had to send a full groveling contingent to Tulsa and give him a pay raise before he was hired to get him to accept the job.


Tulsa is FBS and he got to 21st there.... google is fun. but way to keep up junior. smfh...... been coordinator since 2011.... get your facts straight.
 
Tulsa is FBS and he got to 21st there.... google is fun. but way to keep up junior. smfh...... been coordinator since 2011.... get your facts straight.
I'll just repost what Scholtz put up earlier:
2012: Eastern Illinois: 8th in FCS in scoring offense http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IAA_teamscoroff&site=org&div=IAA&dest=O
2013: Eastern Illinois: 1st in FCS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2014: Bowling Green: 56th in FBS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2015: Tulsa - 21st in FBS in scoring offense http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/27

Based on this, he has been an OC in FBS for 2014 and 2015. By my count that's 2, pre-school math junior try to keep up. Yes, I know he's been an OC since 2011 (when he was coaching at Temple High School).
 
I'll just repost what Scholtz put up earlier:
2012: Eastern Illinois: 8th in FCS in scoring offense http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IAA_teamscoroff&site=org&div=IAA&dest=O
2013: Eastern Illinois: 1st in FCS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2014: Bowling Green: 56th in FBS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2015: Tulsa - 21st in FBS in scoring offense http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/27

Based on this, he has been an OC in FBS for 2014 and 2015. By my count that's 2, pre-school math junior try to keep up. Yes, I know he's been an OC since 2011 (when he was coaching at Temple High School).


Stop being lazy and do your own research before you try to talk shit using other ppls info. A simple google search shows that the highest he got in 2 years at the FBS level is 21 - not 56 like you said - even with the info in front of you.....and 21st in the country at the FBS level means he did better than most teams in current P5 Conferences..... and he climbed more than 35 spots in 2 years.. at 2 different schools.... spin all you want, you tried talking out your rectum and it stunk... and you did it with enough info to actually know you were wrong.... just stop.....
 
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Tulsa is FBS and he got to 21st there.... google is fun. but way to keep up junior. smfh...... been coordinator since 2011.... get your facts straight.
2 years in FBS? 56th in his only year to call plays in FBS? But yes he must be good. I mean you had to send a full groveling contingent to Tulsa and give him a pay raise before he was hired to get him to accept the job.


See the stupid stuff you said with the info right in front of you? Just wanted to make sure you saw and recognized how big a tool you really are... but i understand, you have to find ways to put down Texas bc of who and what you are..... even if you blantantly ignore facts and reality...
 
I'll just repost what Scholtz put up earlier:
2012: Eastern Illinois: 8th in FCS in scoring offense http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2012&rpt=IAA_teamscoroff&site=org&div=IAA&dest=O
2013: Eastern Illinois: 1st in FCS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2014: Bowling Green: 56th in FBS in scoring offense http://stats.ncaa.org/rankings/change_sport_year_div
2015: Tulsa - 21st in FBS in scoring offense http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/27

Based on this, he has been an OC in FBS for 2014 and 2015. By my count that's 2, pre-school math junior try to keep up. Yes, I know he's been an OC since 2011 (when he was coaching at Temple High School).


I missed the pre school math remark...... did you even realize that you were STILL using incorrect facts after having QUOTED them in your post when you said something that stupid? Bravo junior... just bravo.... you were already going full blown retarded, but you went full blown retarded WHILE already being full blown retarded.... your skills are amazing.
 
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Gilbert has stated to the media he was calling the plays at Tulsa. His statement is in one of those long press conferences at Texas Sports.

But, Art Briles throwing a tantrum over the hire is really all you need to know.

People in the Briles tree say if it wasn't for nepotism Gilbert would have been the play caller at Baylor by now.
 
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I missed the pre school math remark...... did you even realize that you were STILL using incorrect facts after having QUOTED them in your post when you said something that stupid? Bravo junior... just bravo.... you were already going full blown retarded, but you went full blown retarded WHILE already being full blown retarded.... your skills are amazing.

Sorry I thought this was done. You insulted me when I said that Gilbert only had 2 years in FBS as an OC (one of which he didn't call plays). I pointed out that by my math calc he had 1 year at BG and one year at Tulsa. You indicated in your post (incorrectly) that I didn't count his Tulsa year and that I didn't know Tulsa was a FBS school. I pointed out that I was correct in that he has 2 years FBS experience. You refuse to aknowledge your mistake in your prior post, I get it, too proud. Instead this continues to be a debate over whether Sterlin Gilbert is a "proven" commodity. As a longhorn fan, I think its great that you feel that he is.

BTW, I don't get why you keep hammering away at research and laziness. All the data is in this thread (some provided by me) regarding Gilbert's resume.

All of this over a simple difference in opinion as to whether a guy is "proven". Just a difference of opinion and you guys turn it into WW3. Amazing.
 
Sorry I thought this was done. You insulted me when I said that Gilbert only had 2 years in FBS as an OC (one of which he didn't call plays). I pointed out that by my math calc he had 1 year at BG and one year at Tulsa. You indicated in your post (incorrectly) that I didn't count his Tulsa year and that I didn't know Tulsa was a FBS school. I pointed out that I was correct in that he has 2 years FBS experience. You refuse to aknowledge your mistake in your prior post, I get it, too proud. Instead this continues to be a debate over whether Sterlin Gilbert is a "proven" commodity. As a longhorn fan, I think its great that you feel that he is.

BTW, I don't get why you keep hammering away at research and laziness. All the data is in this thread (some provided by me) regarding Gilbert's resume.

All of this over a simple difference in opinion as to whether a guy is "proven". Just a difference of opinion and you guys turn it into WW3. Amazing.
Did you or did you not say the best he did was 56th?
 
Did you or did you not say the best he did was 56th?
I think this was my post which you are referring to:
2 years in FBS? 56th in his only year to call plays in FBS?

This is a factual statement. Yes, he was the OC at Tulsa last year and they finished 21 in total offense and he did not call plays. He also did not call plays at BG. Does that mean he's not going to be a success at UT? No, it doesn't mean that. But in my book, it doesn't equate to "proven". Again, that's just an opinion. Its not dishonest or deceptive, its just an opinion.
 
jeeeze!....I cant wait for football when all this drivel goes by the wayside. Since I consider most of this argument to be over minutia I havn't been able to do more than just glance over what has been posted. I will ask this however. Does the OC bear the responsibility over what plays have been called? Does the OC have the authority to over turn the called play? Many head coaches do that for instance. What about plays that the QB audibles? Do those count?

The reason I ask all this (admitting that my questions are equally as silly as a lot of this thread) is that my understanding of this offense is that the QB goes to the line of scrimmage, assesses the defensive alignment, and calls plays accordingly. Is that correct? If so what in the hell does it matter who sends a play to the huddle?
If incorrect in my understanding, then never mind. Carry on.
 
Gilbert has stated to the media he was calling the plays at Tulsa. His statement is in one of those long press conferences at Texas Sports.
He was definitely involved with playcalling, the extent of which is up for debate. But poor aggy can't grasp that concept. It's either all or none in a small brain.

But, Art Briles throwing a tantrum over the hire is really all you need to know. People in the Briles tree say if it wasn't for nepotism Gilbert would have been the play caller at Baylor by now.
Also do not expect a bitter, obsessed aggy to comprehend such obvious logic.
 
I think this was my post which you are referring to:
2 years in FBS? 56th in his only year to call plays in FBS?

This is a factual statement. Yes, he was the OC at Tulsa last year and they finished 21 in total offense and he did not call plays. He also did not call plays at BG. Does that mean he's not going to be a success at UT? No, it doesn't mean that. But in my book, it doesn't equate to "proven". Again, that's just an opinion. Its not dishonest or deceptive, its just an opinion.
I think this was my post which you are referring to:
2 years in FBS? 56th in his only year to call plays in FBS?

This is a factual statement. Yes, he was the OC at Tulsa last year and they finished 21 in total offense and he did not call plays. He also did not call plays at BG. Does that mean he's not going to be a success at UT? No, it doesn't mean that. But in my book, it doesn't equate to "proven". Again, that's just an opinion. Its not dishonest or deceptive, its just an opinion.


Fail... just fail..... even other ppl are bringing up press releases where him calling plays at Tulsa is being discussed.... again, Google can be fun... unless you are a numb-nut, over zealous, jealous inbred aggy fan that will never know the warmth of winning a REAL championship in your lifetime...... you may wanna take a look at it bud.
 
The bathroom hammster declared him a heavy aggy lean and the next #yessir a scant 3 days ago. lulz.
 
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Perroni and Hamm both said there wasn't a momentum swing and that it was simply a preconceived notion by Texas writers. Word!
 
Perroni and Hamm both said there wasn't a momentum swing and that it was simply a preconceived notion by Texas writers. Word!
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