Thoughts & prayers for sooners

[Heisennberg]

2008???....WHOA!!!...that was clearly a tainted trip to the natty( forget the prison rape score where the OU guy begged USC to back off)...That was a stolen Big 12 championship by any objective manner. Art Bryles delivered that to Stoops by voting Texas out of the top 25....shameful!

I have no beef with the rest of your statement. I dont like it, but I have no beef.

It may be tainted to you, but it still happened within the rules, nobody cheated. All tx had to do was not lose to tech and it wouldnt have been a problem. OU beat them by 44 points, shouldnt have been that difficult to win by 1. But no, you had to lose and IMO it cost them a national title. It's hard to come back from a November loss. But look at the bright side, all the whining got the rules changed but ironically the new playoff system neutered that. Ah Briles, he really was an angel before he started recruiting rapists eh? That may have been the one last great thing he ever did.

Yeah Ou has "dominated" the Bigxii.....tell us again how many National Championships all this "dominating" has got yall? Hell I think Boise St has "dominated" their conference also.....and they only have one less National Championship to show for it.

I Know....I know....conference championships are nice but it has to be just a little disappointing to know how "Dominant" ou has been......and have the exact same amount of National Championships that TEXAS has in this same time period. I could never get the "Big game Bob" moniker when his only Natty was his first year with a lot of "Big" losses in some BCS bowls.......(Boise st game.....USC the take it easy on us in the 3rd quarter game)

One national title and a bunch of conference championships. I'm good with that, It's still awesome being an OU fan, especially when you compare them to all the other programs in the conference. Look where recruiting is now compared to 1998. And there arent many programs with as much success as OU has enjoyed over the past 20 years. Even in spite of having "only" one title in that time. It's disappointing , sure, but i recognize it for what it is; OU doesnt recruit at a high enough level to win championships, but they recruit well enough to dominate their conference. Just how it is, they arent alabama or clemson, they dont get 5 stars at most positions. So when they get to the playoffs, they are playing more talented teams. Luckily Riley is a boss recruiter and is taking care of that. Tx fans should know how important recruiting is and stoops has been a big pile of dung in that dept for a little while now. I would be more concerned or disappointed as a tx fan because they consistently recruit and get the best talent in the country, they have done less with top 5 classes than anyone, that has to be disappointing. OU has been losing championships with top 15 classes, and Riley for the first time in my lifetime at least has OU with three top 10 classes in a row. What can he do with that kind of talent? So far he's been in the playoffs with half a team. That's not at least a little impressive? What's he gonna do when he gets talent on D? Cause it's happening. Remember the good ole days when tx didnt have to fight OU for top talent? Even with the shitshow over the past 2 seasons, herman is fighting tooth and nail for recruits on D (Washington for example).

Stoops earned that nickname early in his career, it was almost automatic for OU to beat a ranked team. But obviously that did not maintain.

You should compare trophy cases and big 12 rings. Conference championships are very important when you’re in the same conference. That’s some silly reasoning.

If you talk to texas fans, the big 12 championship isnt all that big of a deal. I guess that's why they didnt really care about losing in December, wasnt something they wanted obviously.

To be fair, he did win a chit-ton of games at a time when the b12 was very strong. Bowl games just weren't his strong suit. Remember all those shirts showing how to make OU cookies?
Put the sooners in a bowel & whip them for 48minutes.

I prefer- What does OU and weed have in common? They both get smoked in bowls.

Easy chief. Who pissed in your post toasties? Didn't deny that ou has dominated football in the b12 since 2000ish. Now you haven't dominated every year. We have the last 2 natty appearances and will likely have the next one. Need I remind you that you're a visitor here so don't be a turd or you may find yourself swirling the bowl.

Edit: OU played in nt in 2008.

Does your first sentence insinuate you believe my post was made out of some sort of anger or whatever? You said 2005 and 2009 say hello, i was just responding appropriately and in kind. I guess if OU only won two conference titles it wouldnt have looked like a long, protracted diatribe. Sure 2005 an 2009 happened, i never forgot, but my statement holds true. Yes is know the difference between dominating the conference for a 20 year period of time and dominating the conference every single season. The way things are trending now there is nothing to indicate tx is closer to a title than OU is- they cant even get out of their own conference.

 

[Heisennberg]

Texas QB recruiting is better, and were it not for horrible Big 12 officials, I can guarantee that Texas wins the Big 12 last year and there is no Heisman for that midget QB of yours.

It's laughable that you think I'd take your QBs over Roshon Johnson, Hudson Card, JQJ or even Chris Thompson.

Johnson 4 star #6 overall dual qb and #237 player in the country per 247.
Card 4 star #2 overall dual qb and #59 player in the country
Jackson 4 star #5 athlete, no ranking as qb here, and #55 player in the country
Chris Thompson is a safety


OU qbs
Rattler 5 star #1 overall qb and #11 overall player
Vandagriff 5 star and depending which publication you look at he's the #1 overall player and qb or #15 overall player

So it's certainly not laughable that anyone would take OU's commits over those of texas. I know the recruiting game can be hit and miss but based on rankings it would appear the OU commits right now are coming in higher regard. You may prefer them, and i get it, your coach likes them and got them to commit and you are a fan. But at any rate, doesnt matter who it is, any Riley qb is going to be extremely solid.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Johnson 4 star #6 overall dual qb and #237 player in the country per 247.
Card 4 star #2 overall dual qb and #59 player in the country
Jackson 4 star #5 athlete, no ranking as qb here, and #55 player in the country
Chris Thompson is a safety


OU qbs
Rattler 5 star #1 overall qb and #11 overall player
Vandagriff 5 star and depending which publication you look at he's the #1 overall player and qb or #15 overall player

So it's certainly not laughable that anyone would take OU's commits over those of texas. I know the recruiting game can be hit and miss but based on rankings it would appear the OU commits right now are coming in higher regard. You may prefer them, and i get it, your coach likes them and got them to commit and you are a fan. But at any rate, doesnt matter who it is, any Riley qb is going to be extremely solid.

And yet, if this is called correctly, Texas wins the B12 title game in spite of the numerous horrendous calls made against Texas.

Edit: If you look at the OU db, he looks at the ref just after contact and before they hit the ground. The ref is standing RIGHT THERE! It's so obvious. It's as if the db is thinking, "hey ref, you know the fix is in.... ya, he didn't call it."

 

[Belldozer1]

I think a point being missed here is that the ball hit your receiver right in the hands, not sure why he didn’t make the catch? The dB didn’t knock it out of his hands

 

[2300 Nueces]

I think a point being missed here is that the ball hit your receiver right in the hands, not sure why he didn’t make the catch? The dB didn’t knock it out of his hands

Debatable, still pi 10 ft from ref..

 

[Heisennberg]

And yet, if this is called correctly, Texas wins the B12 title game in spite of the numerous horrendous calls made against Texas.

Edit: If you look at the OU db, he looks at the ref just after contact and before they hit the ground. The ref is standing RIGHT THERE! It's so obvious. It's as if the db is thinking, "hey ref, you know the fix is in.... ya, he didn't call it."

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Firstly doesnt it suck to have to resort to blaming the refs? Texas scored 0 points against a bad D in the 4th quarter. Their 3 possessions were punt, safety, interception. And they lost by two possessions. So this "missed PI" as you call it, who is to say texas wouldnt have just punted it again? Because they had a chance to overcome that call but they instead gave up a safety and then threw an int on their final drive. And it's a questionable bad call at best (or a bad angle) because the db didnt impede the wrs body or arms/hands, he just missed a very catchable pass. That said it's a 50/50 call to me, so it seems like it could really have went either way in real time. I bet if i went through every play in the october game i could find a few bad calls that went texas' way and that could easily swing a 3 point game. At any rate, bad calls happen and you gotta use your opportunities to make up for them instead of turn the ball over right?

I mean look at this bad no call in 2016. Changed how the game started and OU couldnt really get back into it. It happens.

 

[2300 Nueces]

IDK, looks like a pretty good pick to me.

 

[Heisennberg]

Wr on the ground, ball hasnt even gotten within 5 yards of him. Sure, clean. Well unlike you I guess, I can call something for what it is without bias.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Firstly doesnt it suck to have to resort to blaming the refs? Texas scored 0 points against a bad D in the 4th quarter. Their 3 possessions were punt, safety, interception. And they lost by two possessions. So this "missed PI" as you call it, who is to say texas wouldnt have just punted it again? Because they had a chance to overcome that call but they instead gave up a safety and then threw an int on their final drive. And it's a questionable bad call at best (or a bad angle) because the db didnt impede the wrs body or arms/hands, he just missed a very catchable pass. That said it's a 50/50 call to me, so it seems like it could really have went either way in real time. I bet if i went through every play in the october game i could find a few bad calls that went texas' way and that could easily swing a 3 point game. At any rate, bad calls happen and you gotta use your opportunities to make up for them instead of turn the ball over right?

I mean look at this bad no call in 2016. Changed how the game started and OU couldnt really get back into it. It happens.

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Missed calls happen to everyone every year, just like injuries. It happens.
If I remember correctly, this specific no call was talked about by an "expert" during an intermission and he said there was no call because it was not a catchable ball for that receiver.
Could've gone either way, but sure was happy it went in favor of the good guys.

 

[Heisennberg]

Missed calls happen to everyone every year, just like injuries. It happens.
If I remember correctly, this specific no call was talked about by an "expert" during an intermission and he said there was no call because it was not a catchable ball for that receiver.
Could've gone either way, but sure was happy it went in favor of the good guys.

Sure, and those experts' opinions are highly valued by whichever fans agree with them at the time.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Johnson 4 star #6 overall dual qb and #237 player in the country per 247.
Card 4 star #2 overall dual qb and #59 player in the country
Jackson 4 star #5 athlete, no ranking as qb here, and #55 player in the country
Chris Thompson is a safety


OU qbs
Rattler 5 star #1 overall qb and #11 overall player
Vandagriff 5 star and depending which publication you look at he's the #1 overall player and qb or #15 overall player

So it's certainly not laughable that anyone would take OU's commits over those of texas. I know the recruiting game can be hit and miss but based on rankings it would appear the OU commits right now are coming in higher regard. You may prefer them, and i get it, your coach likes them and got them to commit and you are a fan. But at any rate, doesnt matter who it is, any Riley qb is going to be extremely solid.

I don't quote recruiting sites, generally speaking I know more about the game than the majority of these so called experts. With that said, The moment I saw Hudson Card throw a ball I knew he was special, and I mean Colt McCoy special. he is crazy accurate and runs just like Colt used to. Now with that said, his Elite 11 performance has gotten him some pretty good compliments. He has for the most part out performed everyone.

Now I did not think much of Chris Thompson when he signed with Texas, he was raw and needed a lot of work. However you need to watch his performance in the Spring game. Especially his passing, it's night and day better. He impressed the heck out of me, and isn't easy to do. I'm a pretty harsh critic, if you don't believe me go back and look at some of the things I said about Sam leading up to the start of last season.

Finally and most important. Texas and Oklahoma run two totally different offenses. Texas relies on our QBs being able to run, I don't see too much of that from what you currently have in QBs. This is really good for Texas moving forward since Texas is most vulnerable to QBs that can hurt you with their legs. On the flip side, all of the Texas QBs are fantastic runners.

Like I said, I'll take the Texas QBs over the Oklahoma QBs every day.

 

[Heisennberg]

I don't quote recruiting sites, generally speaking I know more about the game than the majority of these so called experts. With that said, The moment I saw Hudson Card throw a ball I knew he was special, and I mean Colt McCoy special. he is crazy accurate and runs just like Colt used to. Now with that said, his Elite 11 performance has gotten him some pretty good compliments. He has for the most part out performed everyone.

Now I did not think much of Chris Thompson when he signed with Texas, he was raw and needed a lot of work. However you need to watch his performance in the Spring game. Especially his passing, it's night and day better. He impressed the heck out of me, and isn't easy to do. I'm a pretty harsh critic, if you don't believe me go back and look at some of the things I said about Sam leading up to the start of last season.

Finally and most important. Texas and Oklahoma run two totally different offenses. Texas relies on our QBs being able to run, I don't see too much of that from what you currently have in QBs. This is really good for Texas moving forward since Texas is most vulnerable to QBs that can hurt you with their legs. On the flip side, all of the Texas QBs are fantastic runners.

Like I said, I'll take the Texas QBs over the Oklahoma QBs every day.

I dont just go by the ratings but statistically the ratings services are usually pretty good about nailing their picks. I generally look at the offer list because I trust the evaluations of the coaches who offer them. But over half of the 5 star kids get drafted and about a quarter of the 4 stars do and the numbers for everyone else arent anywhere close. But I digress.

You say texas relies on a running qb, and then you said that you don't see that too much from what OU currently has in qbs.

First of all IMO having to rely on your qb being able to run means you have other weaknesses in your offense that can be exploited. For tx it's more of a necessity than a luxury and at the end of the day you really need a slinger to win the conference and beyond.

Ok so for his career Ehlinger has 278 rush attempts for 863 yards , 3.1 yards per carry and 18 touchdowns.

Hurts has 381 rush attempts for 1976 yards 5.2 yards per carry with 23 touchdowns.

We are talking about OU, Norman, right? Sure Rattler and Vandagriff while athletic aren't true dual threat qbs, but obviously with their backfield it's not really something they need. Honestly I would be more worried about the 5 star talent Riley is amassing in the skill positions that his 5 star qbs will have around them. Anyway, Maybe you just forgot about Hurts. And yes totally not the same offense and having a still very athletic but predominantly pocket passing pro style guy is good for Riley's style because they have such talented rbs. And Riley pretty much could have had any qb he wanted and he got them so i gotta trust that he knows his evals and his coaching ability is as good as anyone. I'm not sure what your opinions were on Mayfield and Murray, i know they werent in high regard on this site and they won Heismans so I bet there's a little bias in there somewhere.

At any rate, maybe this will finally make texas good again and make the rivalry mean something and get some mojo back in the conference.

 

[Hokie_Mark]

Clearly Big XII and ACC officials all go to the same optometrist.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

If you're going down toward Rockport, momma said this morning it's going to rain this weekend. But momma listens to Dale Nelson on channel 6 and I've been calling him "Dead Wrong Dale" for most of my life.

Oh Mr " Let me tell you all about it!

 

[Son of Wasatch]

First of all IMO having to rely on your qb being able to run means you have other weaknesses in your offense that can be exploited. For tx it's more of a necessity than a luxury and at the end of the day you really need a slinger to win the conference and beyond.

What weakness did you see in the Texas offense when Vince Young was here?

What weakness did you see in the Florida offense when Tim Tiebow was the QB?

What weakness did you see in the aggsy offense when Manziel was there?

Point is a running QB puts considerably more pressure on a defense because they have to compensate for his ability to run on a passing play. You could say that the Texas offense had weaknesses last year and you would be correct, However how many times did Sam save our butts with scramble. How many times did your QB save you with a scramble. That is the thing, you have to always be ready for a QB that can run.

As of right now you have some good passers, but a guy that can both run and pass is deadly.

 

[Heisennberg]

What weakness did you see in the Texas offense when Vince Young was here?

Not many, Young was a solid passer though, top 10 nationally in most categories and I qualifed my statement by saying you need a slinger to win, which he is. But two things: That was in 2005, the league is different now. And they had jamaal charles.

What weakness did you see in the Florida offense when Tim Tiebow was the QB?

What weakness did you see in the aggsy offense when Manziel was there?

Two of those guys played in a different league, so sorry your example of mobile qbs who dont play in the big 12 isnt good enough to deflate my statement which was made about the big 12. Besides, aggie didnt even win their own division behind manziel. Anyway, now looking at who wins the big 12, it's almost always behind a elite passing. And expanding to national champions, you'll find most years the winning team has a really good passer as qb. Especially in the past 10 years.

Point is a running QB puts considerably more pressure on a defense because they have to compensate for his ability to run on a passing play. You could say that the Texas offense had weaknesses last year and you would be correct, However how many times did Sam save our butts with scramble. How many times did your QB save you with a scramble. That is the thing, you have to always be ready for a QB that can run.

As of right now you have some good passers, but a guy that can both run and pass is deadly.

There is a difference in using a qb's mobility to complement your offense and using his mobility because your offense craters without it. That's the distinction I was making. And those teams dependent on that mobility usually do not win as much. You only had 3 examples and I could counter with 3 examples contrary for each one of yours. Anyway it holds true, you're not winning this conference without a real slinger unless we have one of those down years , which was my point. I know a mobile qb makes a defense's job harder. Not saying they arent nice to have. Just saying it should be a luxury and not a necessity.

Regarding OU qbs: You do realize Hurts is an accomplished runner right? In fact, he's been better than Ehlinger. He's also a very good passer, though needs some work on the deep ball. I'd say he can throw and pass and OU got lucky to get him.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Not many, Young was a solid passer though, top 10 nationally in most categories and I qualifed my statement by saying you need a slinger to win, which he is. But two things: That was in 2005, the league is different now. And they had jamaal charles.





Two of those guys played in a different league, so sorry your example of mobile qbs who dont play in the big 12 isnt good enough to deflate my statement which was made about the big 12. Besides, aggie didnt even win their own division behind manziel. Anyway, now looking at who wins the big 12, it's almost always behind a elite passing. And expanding to national champions, you'll find most years the winning team has a really good passer as qb. Especially in the past 10 years.



There is a difference in using a qb's mobility to complement your offense and using his mobility because your offense craters without it. That's the distinction I was making. And those teams dependent on that mobility usually do not win as much. You only had 3 examples and I could counter with 3 examples contrary for each one of yours. Anyway it holds true, you're not winning this conference without a real slinger unless we have one of those down years , which was my point. I know a mobile qb makes a defense's job harder. Not saying they arent nice to have. Just saying it should be a luxury and not a necessity.

Regarding OU qbs: You do realize Hurts is an accomplished runner right? In fact, he's been better than Ehlinger. He's also a very good passer, though needs some work on the deep ball. I'd say he can throw and pass and OU got lucky to get him.

Surely you remember Tommie Frazier and Eric Crouch. They pushed ya'lls poo in for a decade. Their running and passing stats were virtually equal. Your air raid offense is like a supernova burning bright which is about to go dark. If your offense fails statistically to live up to the past 3-4 seasons, you will be in trouble because you will fail to keep up on the scoreboard. The OU defense is a play toy at practice. It exists to be scored upon. The air raid offense was created to defeat athletically superior opponents by exploiting an overly aggressive defense with fast precision passing. Riley has schemed the air raid to precision.... but you need a 2 deep on defense that equals bama or better to be successful against teams of equal talent because your defense plays 2x the number of plays your o does. I don't think any of OU's starters on defense would start at Texas.

Tom Herman has been masterfully using what has been dealt to him. He had weaknesses all over the roster. I think you will see something different in the future.

 

[Heisennberg]

Surely you remember Tommie Frazier and Eric Crouch. They pushed ya'lls poo in for a decade. Their running and passing stats were virtually equal. Your air raid offense is like a supernova burning bright which is about to go dark. If your offense fails statistically to live up to the past 3-4 seasons, you will be in trouble because you will fail to keep up on the scoreboard. The OU defense is a play toy at practice. It exists to be scored upon. The air raid offense was created to defeat athletically superior opponents by exploiting an overly aggressive defense with fast precision passing. Riley has schemed the air raid to precision.... but you need a 2 deep on defense that equals bama or better to be successful against teams of equal talent because your defense plays 2x the number of plays your o does. I don't think any of OU's starters on defense would start at Texas.

Tom Herman has been masterfully using what has been dealt to him. He had weaknesses all over the roster. I think you will see something different in the future.

Yup. Things have changed and the big 12 is a wide open pass dominated offensive league.

Why would Ou’s Offense go dark? They have as much or more talent than about everyone in the country, and they have Riley. He could make a 2 star qb look good.

So if I read your comment right- Herman is a master at what he does, they’re going to be different in the future, and The supernova that is the OU offense is about to go dark, their defense sucks and will just be the same. Nah you’re not biased lol. In regard to defense, that’s changing and recruits are already taking notice. Or are you under the impression that your team is the only one that can get better between the two?

 

[2300 Nueces]

Manning just de-committed. OU going to start freshmen in the secondary?

Ruh Roh




https://247sports.com/college/oklah...-defensive-back-defense-recruiting-133426341/


Last sentence:
"With freshmen Jaden Davis, Woodi Washington, Ty DeArman and Jeremiah Criddell on campus now, Grinch has more players to pick from and coach up who might be able to do the job."

Freshmen in the secondary = losses on the way. Sorry to be the grim reaper.

Game #2 against Chip Kelly could get interesting. Just sayin.

 

[Heisennberg]

In reality he decommited a while back but it only became public recently. Like with Washington he had actually told Riley a while ago that he was going to OU. But didnt want to announce It publicly til after his visits. That’s how recruiting goes. There’s still a very real likelihood Manning comes back. As a side note, it’s interesting how OU is getting big time commits on D (even beating out texas for local talent). I think Grinch and Riley really resonate with kids and that’s going to pay off in a big way.

In regard to their secondary- sometimes young talent is better than the older guys you have in there. And based on how last season went I think it’s worth a risk to play a couple freshman because they can’t play much worse. At any rate the last couple classes have been pretty good and those guys are coming into their own.

 

[2300 Nueces]

In reality he decommited a while back but it only became public recently. Like with Washington he had actually told Riley a while ago that he was going to OU. But didnt want to announce It publicly til after his visits. That’s how recruiting goes. There’s still a very real likelihood Manning comes back. As a side note, it’s interesting how OU is getting big time commits on D (even beating out texas for local talent). I think Grinch and Riley really resonate with kids and that’s going to pay off in a big way.

In regard to their secondary- sometimes young talent is better than the older guys you have in there. And based on how last season went I think it’s worth a risk to play a couple freshman because they can’t play much worse. At any rate the last couple classes have been pretty good and those guys are coming into their own.

Sure, your optimism is noted. We started 2 freshman and a soph vs OSU last year in our secondary for the first quarter because of suspensions. We spotted them 21 pts.. Both of the freshmen were 5* recruits. The soph was a 4*. The last place I want a freshman starting is QB, next secondary. Your offense better be hitting on all cylinders.

 

[Heisennberg]

Sure, your optimism is noted. We started 2 freshman and a soph vs OSU last year in our secondary for the first quarter because of suspensions. We spotted them 21 pts.. Both of the freshmen were 5* recruits. The soph was a 4*. The last place I want a freshman starting is QB, next secondary. Your offense better be hitting on all cylinders.

The biggest likelihood is the freshmen will get playing time as backups anyway. So they’ll be experienced by the time they’re ready to realistically go after the starting job. OU played freshmen last year a lot and it was growing pains.

I believe the offense will be just as deadly as the last couple years. All depends on the qb though. I also think the D will be better enough that the offense won’t be pressured to score every drive

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Yup. Things have changed and the big 12 is a wide open pass dominated offensive league.

Why would Ou’s Offense go dark? They have as much or more talent than about everyone in the country, and they have Riley. He could make a 2 star qb look good.

So if I read your comment right- Herman is a master at what he does, they’re going to be different in the future, and The supernova that is the OU offense is about to go dark, their defense sucks and will just be the same. Nah you’re not biased lol. In regard to defense, that’s changing and recruits are already taking notice. Or are you under the impression that your team is the only one that can get better between the two?

They aren't going to go dark, they are just going to get shut down by Texas. If you start one of your good passers against Texas they will kill him because our defense will make his life miserable with blitzes. If you start Hurts, do you actually think he is an elite passer? The guy has never been a good passer and all of a sudden he is going to be great now that he has spent 3 months with Riley?

Your choice is good passer that is sitting duck for our defense, or a bad passer that can actually move. Pick your poison we will be ready.

In reality he decommited a while back but it only became public recently. Like with Washington he had actually told Riley a while ago that he was going to OU. But didnt want to announce It publicly til after his visits. That’s how recruiting goes. There’s still a very real likelihood Manning comes back. As a side note, it’s interesting how OU is getting big time commits on D (even beating out texas for local talent). I think Grinch and Riley really resonate with kids and that’s going to pay off in a big way.

In regard to their secondary- sometimes young talent is better than the older guys you have in there. And based on how last season went I think it’s worth a risk to play a couple freshman because they can’t play much worse. At any rate the last couple classes have been pretty good and those guys are coming into their own.

Who are these elite defensive kids you are talking about? Washington isn't elite. He is a solid prospect, but he isn't elite. Ransom was elite, Thompson is elite. Washington was a backup plan. And selling him on your program by telling him your entire defense sucks is going to backfire. Then again, I still find it funny he would say that.

Either he is really honest or a total BS artist. I think he is both. Oh and Washington is a total idiot for believing him. It took me 5 minutes to look up the DB recruiting results over the last 4 years and it's been pretty good. So I'm guessing if they suck it's because they aren't being developed. Any defensive player that wants to jump into that dumpster fire is not smart enough to make it at Texas to begin with.

 

[Mister Moses]

You should worry about your own team. Texas is the team with 3 big 12 championships in 22 years. That is one incredible stat.

 

[LonghornMM]

You should worry about your own team. Texas is the team with 3 big 12 championships in 22 years. That is one incredible stat.

Excuse me? This is a Texas board. We talk about Texas football here. You don't like it. Don't post here.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Sure, your optimism is noted. We started 2 freshman and a soph vs OSU last year in our secondary for the first quarter because of suspensions. We spotted them 21 pts.. Both of the freshmen were 5* recruits. The soph was a 4*. The last place I want a freshman starting is QB, next secondary. Your offense better be hitting on all cylinders.

Admittedly I haven't entered football mode yet but I thought our defense was supposed to be a total rework this year. Aren't we trotting out mostly new faces on the d-line as well?

 

[The Great Bolo]

Yeah Ou has "dominated" the Bigxii.....tell us again how many National Championships all this "dominating" has got yall? Hell I think Boise St has "dominated" their conference also.....and they only have one less National Championship to show for it.

I Know....I know....conference championships are nice but it has to be just a little disappointing to know how "Dominant" ou has been......and have the exact same amount of National Championships that TEXAS has in this same time period. I could never get the "Big game Bob" moniker when his only Natty was his first year with a lot of "Big" losses in some BCS bowls.......(Boise st game.....USC the take it easy on us in the 3rd quarter game)

He won in his second year totally dominating a FSU team that was heavily favored. USC was a blowout but Florida and LSU were highly competitive NC games. Hey, somebody has to lose when you get down to the final. I think he deserved the big game monicker and he did fine against Texas, including handing them a couple of the most embarrassing losses I’ve ever seen laid on a big time program.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Admittedly I haven't entered football mode yet but I thought our defense was supposed to be a total rework this year. Aren't we trotting out mostly new faces on the d-line as well?

Negative sir, most were in the 2 deep rotation last year. The younger guys had a major part in the win vs UGA. We won't be starting any freshmen on defense. Take a look at Coburn, Cook, Foster, Graham, Bimage, Dele, Boyce, Green, etc... They were on the 2 deep last year. They were all highly rated and mainly a part of Herman's first #3 class. There are many upper classmen that will play before last year's #3 class in the 2 deep that will allow many to red-shirt.

These are the headwinds we are facing in recruiting. There are not many open positions on the 2 deep that a freshmen would be able to crack. Where we will get commits/flips during the season, will be the positions that appear to be opening due to an early exit to the NFL. Our team is going to be much improved over last year because of the depth except for ILB and RB. We lost 2 exceptional players in Floyd and Brown to medical conditions.

 

[2300 Nueces]

You should worry about your own team. Texas is the team with 3 big 12 championships in 22 years. That is one incredible stat.

Maffs.... if you are a believer in algebra and in particular linear regression, you would understand that a regression to the mean is in the making. If one were to plot the mean # of Texas wins per year on a scatter plot since the beginning of Texas football, one would observe that we have been on the lower side of our yearly mean win total for a decade or 3. So in the future, one would expect a raft of conference championships with the odd lot NT sprinkled in to be in the cards for Texas. The reverse could be said for OU.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

You should worry about your own team. Texas is the team with 3 big 12 championships in 22 years. That is one incredible stat.

My house, my rules. Your team sucks, you have a few good backs and receivers, but you will likely be trotting out a retread QB or a young dude and either way Texas is going to dominate them. Your defense is still in full suckage mode. Even your coach thinks so.

Admittedly I haven't entered football mode yet but I thought our defense was supposed to be a total rework this year. Aren't we trotting out mostly new faces on the d-line as well?

Not at all. Roach is a starting DE and he is 100% better than Hager. We have Ta'Quon Graham who played a ton last year and we bring back Wilborn, Chisholm, Ojomo, and Coburn on the interior. We are actually going to be pretty darn deep next year. I didn't even mention Jacoby Jones, Marquez Bimage, and Daniel Carson.

Only real concern is linebacker depth. We have good starters in Shark, Adele Adeoye, and Ossai. After them however it gets a little thin. We have Marcus Tillman and Caleb Johnson.. Beyond them we are dealing with true freshmen.

I'm not worried about our defense one bit. we have several play makers that will destroy the competition.

He won in his second year totally dominating a FSU team that was heavily favored. USC was a blowout but Florida and LSU were highly competitive NC games. Hey, somebody has to lose when you get down to the final. I think he deserved the big game monicker and he did fine against Texas, including handing them a couple of the most embarrassing losses I’ve ever seen laid on a big time program.

Stoops was a good coach but was too loyal to his brothers. Lincoln is a great offensive mind but sucks on defense. Reminds me of Spurrier. Herman is a better overall coach.

 

[Crimson_Warrior]

Maybe you guys break our string of four consecutive CCs, but maybe you don't.

It's not that difficult to imagine Hurts going off in Riley's system, and I'm not convinced your defense will be able to stop us from scoring 35+ in the Cotton Bowl this October.

 

[Heisennberg]

They aren't going to go dark, they are just going to get shut down by Texas. If you start one of your good passers against Texas they will kill him because our defense will make his life miserable with blitzes. If you start Hurts, do you actually think he is an elite passer? The guy has never been a good passer and all of a sudden he is going to be great now that he has spent 3 months with Riley?

Your choice is good passer that is sitting duck for our defense, or a bad passer that can actually move. Pick your poison we will be ready.

Ah, so wishful thinking. Sure, I mean, anything is possible but you'd be the one guy out there expecting that offense to be shut down by anybody. I bet you think tx is poised to win the conference 4 times in a row, and your qb is a legit heisman candidate who will be the all big 12 1st team qb too, eh? I think I've heard this before, the texas defense is too good for OU and they will be eaten alive. How often does that actually happen though? Tx offense has a bigger history of being shut down in this rivalry. It's been a long time since a Riley offense was shut down, but, sure, i guess if you blitz every play Riley will just have throw in the towel, because everyone knows you cant counter those!

Regarding Hurts- is he an elite passer? He's a good one, but not elite. However, he has been a better passer than ehlinger and you guys praise him so I think we'll be doing really well behind him and the God like OC he has calling his plays. For his career Hurts has a higher completion percentage, 12 more touchdowns to the same number of interceptions, and a higher qb rating. He is also a better and more accomplished runner and a huge factor being he has the better OC. Ou's only issue will be on Oline as they have little experience.

Who are these elite defensive kids you are talking about? Washington isn't elite. He is a solid prospect, but he isn't elite. Ransom was elite, Thompson is elite. Washington was a backup plan. And selling him on your program by telling him your entire defense sucks is going to backfire. Then again, I still find it funny he would say that.

Either he is really honest or a total BS artist. I think he is both. Oh and Washington is a total idiot for believing him. It took me 5 minutes to look up the DB recruiting results over the last 4 years and it's been pretty good. So I'm guessing if they suck it's because they aren't being developed. Any defensive player that wants to jump into that dumpster fire is not smart enough to make it at Texas to begin with.

Firstly i said "big time talent" which isnt always interchangeable with 'elite'. I dont know how well you follow OU recruiting so i'm not just going to name all the big ones over the last couple classes, but i will say that some of the biggest commits Riley has gotten on D have held offers from bama, ohio state, texas, georgia, michigan, usc etc. Whereas just a few years ago those guy wouldnt even talk to OU, they had to fight iowa state, arkansas state, and the likes of middle tennessee for defensive recruits. Now theyre getting commits from guys like Criddell, Washington, Manning, Watts, and Winfrey and taking kids out of texas who held texas offers, despite having a really terrible 2018 and 2017. Theyr'e in on Ransom and other elite kids as well, in fact most of the big time names on D are looking at Ou and putting them in their top 5 and being very relevant. You can think what you will about those guys but looking at their offer lists, they are held in high regard.

I dont care what methods Grinch uses, the kids like him and his style is resonating with them. You know how hard it is to get any decent player on defense to even pretend OU exists? And Riley is getting these guys on campus to see him and Grinch. Just imagine if the D actually shows improvement this year, it will be a hell of a lot easier to get commits. Man its' gonna suck for you to watch your team lose to a team without a defense, again. Oh well. And i cant blame any defensive players who want to be a part of the resurgence of that D. Much the same with how disgusting texas has been over the years, how bad and ugly they have been, but they still got players to buy into the rebuild. Dont act like that mentality cant exist in Norman and why that wouldnt appeal to hard working talented players who have something to prove.

I know its fun to try to decredit the value of an Ou commit on D, but washington was texas' backup plan? Do they often make offers to kids they only kinda want as a backup plan? And why did he hold offers from alabama, clemson, georgia, florida, lsu, ohio state etc? I guess he was their plan B too! It's a big stretch to look at his offer list and just be meh about it, shows that bias of yours. You do realize Watts held an offer from texas too right? I guess he was just another backup Plan B option as well? How about Winfrey? He picked OU over texas and ever major program in the country, i guess he's not smart enough to make it at texas despite his texas offer. Come on lets be real for a minute. Stoops wasnt getting these guys. Riley is though. He's an offensive genius and defensive kids are saying they want to go and play for him. you can bury your head in the sand if you want but things are changing.

 

[Heisennberg]

Maffs.... if you are a believer in algebra and in particular linear regression, you would understand that a regression to the mean is in the making. If one were to plot the mean # of Texas wins per year on a scatter plot since the beginning of Texas football, one would observe that we have been on the lower side of our yearly mean win total for a decade or 3. So in the future, one would expect a raft of conference championships with the odd lot NT sprinkled in to be in the cards for Texas. The reverse could be said for OU.

You know what they say, there's lies, damn lies, and statistics. You can look at history and make educated guesses about the future but the past doesnt mean anything to the future. i.e. if you play roulette, and you hit black 6 times in a row, there's a really really really good chance it will hit red next time around. but the wheel doesnt care, it could hit black 99 times in a row just as easily. So they could just as easily take a step back. dont look too far ahead or you'll go and get charlie stronged.

 

[Heisennberg]

Maybe you guys break our string of four consecutive CCs, but maybe you don't.

It's not that difficult to imagine Hurts going off in Riley's system, and I'm not convinced your defense will be able to stop us from scoring 35+ in the Cotton Bowl this October.

Hurts could easily go off. People forget how good of a play maker he is. He really takes care of the ball and rarely ever turns it over. Believe it or not he surpasses ehlinger in most major statistical categories as a qb and he has the best offensive mind probably in the world at his disposal.

 

[oldhorn2]

Heisenberg....I am with you in that I dont get all the Hurts hate....The kid is a player. As far as his running.....I always thought he was more dangerous as a runner than as a passer....I could be wrong( strange thought....better to discount it) but I think where the OU offense might....only might....drop off is they lost two all world receivers in Lamb and Brown. In the end, Riley is a great offensive coach and will put out a great offense, and to think otherwise is naive at best and stupid at worst.

Doesnt alter the fact that OU sucks....and damned if you didnt make me laugh again with your brilliant comment about agreeing with experts.

by the way....I still think we beat OU twice this year.....seriously....