2016 Season Running Thread
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And oldhorn goes straight for the jugular.... See what you get when you hold out on us Clob?
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True freshman QB Shane Buechele has shown strides on the field this spring, but the main concern for him is if he can add some weight to bulk up for the 2016 season. I recently talked to a source and they said he has done that so far and is probably up around 190-195 lbs. That’s good to hear, but this summer will be big for Buechele and his chances to play this season as he will continue to have to work in the weight room and in the film room if he hopes to beat out Tyrone Swoopes for the starting job. The good news is right now he seems to be doing everything he can to get the chance to play. Depending on who you talk to it does seem as though Buechele has indeed done enough to make this a real battle. There is no clear cut #1 QB and though Swoopes would likely get the nod if Texas played a game today, Buechele would 100% play if Swoopes struggled.
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The biggest change in the offense so far this season has been the increased tempo; running as many plays, in as little time is possible. Some players are realizing just how physically demanding the tempo is and it has forced players to get in better and betters shape. One source recently said, “The tempo is good, but the receivers have been struggling to get lined up in time. I don’t expect that to happen as much in the future as they get more reps.” The offense is fast, but Texas still needs someone outside of John Burt and Collin Johnson to step up at the wide receiver position.
True freshman QB Shane Buechele has shown strides on the field this spring, but the main concern for him is if he can add some weight to bulk up for the 2016 season. I recently talked to a source and they said he has done that so far and is probably up around 190-195 lbs. That’s good to hear, but this summer will be big for Buechele and his chances to play this season as he will continue to have to work in the weight room and in the film room if he hopes to beat out Tyrone Swoopes for the starting job. The good news is right now he seems to be doing everything he can to get the chance to play. Depending on who you talk to it does seem as though Buechele has indeed done enough to make this a real battle. There is no clear cut #1 QB and though Swoopes would likely get the nod if Texas played a game today, Buechele would 100% play if Swoopes struggled.
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The biggest change in the offense so far this season has been the increased tempo; running as many plays, in as little time is possible. Some players are realizing just how physically demanding the tempo is and it has forced players to get in better and betters shape. One source recently said, “The tempo is good, but the receivers have been struggling to get lined up in time. I don’t expect that to happen as much in the future as they get more reps.” The offense is fast, but Texas still needs someone outside of John Burt and Collin Johnson to step up at the wide receiver position.
I sure hope he can bulk up some over the next few months. I don't doubt that he'll work as hard at it as possible.
Texas fans will probably be considerably more tolerant of early struggles with a true freshman QB than they will be if we throw Swoopes out there yet again. However, if we throw Buechele to the wolves and get him injured against a very talented defense in his first game, we'll really be in bad shape.
I trust that Gilbert is going to pick the guy who he thinks will lead the team to the most points and the fewest mistakes, and that may well be Swoopes. This offense will probably make Swoopes look better than what we've seen so far, too. Regardless, I just don't think Swoopes will ever be much of a QB. He had essentially no coaching in high school and was already developmentally very far behind when Mack signed him. I've never seen consistent accuracy from him on anything (not even bubble screens, for crying out loud), and he seems to fall apart under adversity.
Hopefully he can have a Boykinesque turnaround in this much simpler offense. I just am not going to be able to expect much from him until he proves me wrong in games.
How on earth do you defend this?
No. 85 is going to be an absolute beast.
No. 85 is going to be an absolute beast.
Some good points. And very true stuff.
I'd also add that we are screwed from the start if Swoopes starts and plays the starting QB role for most of the year.
He simply is what we thought he was. I do think the new O will mask some of his deficiencies. But he simply isn't a guy who is going to go out and beat tough competition. He might, at best, win us the games he is supposed to. And that is saying a lot, since he has yet to even do that in his 3 previous years here.
You are correct if we start Buechele and he gets hurt that we'd be screwed, because we would then be stuck starting Swoopes and having nothing to look forward to. Just thought I'd point that out.
Count me in on "start the frosh" train and see what happens. Not that I am a fan of thrusting kids in. But Buechele at least provides hope aka an actual QB. Think how excited we got over seeing decent QB play in Ash. Swoopes starting all year is an 8 win season at best.
At least with Buechele starting we are looking at maybe 9 wins AND most importantly we aren't playing this lame "find a QB game" for yet ANOTHER offseason next year.
We have him. Heard in the background. And Ehlinger to either RS or compete.
If we RS Buechele and go with Swoopes. We end up seeing either RS Buechele or true frosh Ehlinger next year and we play this damn offseason who is our QB story over again. I'm over it. Swoopes isn't the guy, move his ass to TE and keep him in an 18 wheeler package and call it a day.
If Buechele gets hurt, since some scrub from the rugby team and make him the starting QB and he probably gets us as many wins as the other guys would anyway.
We have him. Heard in the background. And Ehlinger to either RS or compete.
If we RS Buechele and go with Swoopes. We end up seeing either RS Buechele or true frosh Ehlinger next year and we play this damn offseason who is our QB story over again. I'm over it. Swoopes isn't the guy, move his ass to TE and keep him in an 18 wheeler package and call it a day.
If Buechele gets hurt, since some scrub from the rugby team and make him the starting QB and he probably gets us as many wins as the other guys would anyway.
Just from his junior year highlight video (he got hurt during his senior season) I couldn't help but wonder if maybe he couldn't catch a ball unless he had one or more guys saran-wrapping him. He is truly an amazing talent.
Wouldn't want to go against that in practice every day. Or how about being another target, trying to get the ball thrown your way? Part of the chest bump crew...
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Here we go.......
First off let me say I picked the wrong day to go. Should've gone during a scrimmage. But whatever. I didn't stay long because I got a phone call and had a last minute engagement I had to get to.
Pace- Rapid. The turn around time on plays is REALLY fast. The offense would get into a rhythm and then "BOOM" something would derail it. Bad play, false start, missed assignment- and you could see all momentum just grind to a halt. This is practice- I get it. But the body language of some of the guys on O was that of frustration--- which leads me to believe that this happens a lot.
QB- can we find someone that can throw a damn out route? And not a 5 yard out I mean a 15 yard out.... TS throws like a scattergun. Either too "floaty" or too short. We loves us some bubble screens too. Don't get me started on his deep ball. Saw him hit one guy in stride. Other throws the WR either had to slow down, come back, or it was over his head. He threw three full on quails and his pass has developed a bit of a wobble. But we can't throw an out route to save our lives.
SB is about----- ok, hold out your right hand and make a fist. Now extend your index finger. That's about how big around SB is. He tiny. Decent arm but he struggles on the deep out as well. You can tell he's a little unsure of himself because before and after almost every play, he glances over at the staff for what I assume is approval. But as a freshman it's understandable. Suffice it to say, I didn't walk away with a warm fuzzy about the QB situation. It's going to be TS, like it or not.
I didn't see KL take a single snap which leads me to believe his days at QB are numbered. Sorry metcalf, I know you had high hopes.
WRs- we've got dudes that look the part. They look like NFL wrs standing there. Tall, gazelle looking dudes. Nobody that looks like Lovell Pinckney of course, but they "look" like football players. #1 is running good crisp routes and exploding out of his breaks. He needs to keep his eyes up more, I caught him looking down at his feet several times which means he's either A. Marking his breaks with his eyes (run to THAT spot and cut) or B. Just has a bad habit. I can't tell. His hands look better but with Captain Scattershot throwing, it's tough to tell. #85 and either #6 or #8 (can't remember which and I wasn't writing sh!t down) one of those two can't run routes for sh!t. 85 looks like an NBA small forward. Dude looks 6'7. He's got hops, but looks awkward running routes. And because he's tall, QB throws it up where only he can get it. I see a problem happening when we line up against a zone secondary that doesn't shower with him. A bad a$$ safety could cut him in half. I give him props for going up on the ladder over the middle but someone could easily lay him out, and he doesn't have to worry about friendly fire right now. Over all I give them a "meh"--- where as last year it was an "ugh".
RB- 33 is a big boy. 25 is a really big boy. 25 needs to realize he's not beating anybody to the edge so square your shoulders and get north and south. He's running to open grass and his has a tendency to want to try and get outside the box to make a play. E for effort but he'll make his money by running between the tackles. He's not going to beat you in a 100 yard dash, but he's not slow either. He just needs to work on getting the plant foot in the ground and exploding up field. The rest will take care of itself. 33 has some juke, quick feet, good vision, but needs to hold onto the rock better. I assume he's laid a few down this spring because he was getting chewed on a bit about it. Over all we are solid there.
OL and DL--- sorry, I can't grade them. Everyone stays up high during practice to avoid injury. You can't accurately judge guys that aren't playing at full speed in a game situation.
TE- it's 42's job to lose. Again, everybody stays high, but his blocking looks pretty good for a TE. Runs decent routes, isn't going to blow past you if you're a safety but if we can get him isolated on a teams slowest LB there will be a definite mismatch. He looks about 6'4 and has some a$$ on him and he runs nice routes. He's got a deceptively quick first step which will keep him from getting jammed. He's really our only option at that position.
LB- I said it last year and I'll say it again- 46 is going to kill someone. He's learning. Last year he was all over the field but out of position a lot. He relied on his speed to make plays and get him back into position after a misstep- like all great HS athletes can do at THAT level. Well folks, them days is over. He passed up so many kill shots it was silly. He's learned that if a TE is running a deep drag over the middle, instead of running towards him to initiate contact and risk over pursuing the play, to just wait. There will be a TE or wr running a middle crossing route this year that will have a brush with death. Write it down, in stone, hermetically seal it. 46 will go megaton thermonuclear on somebody. It's probably going to cost him a game when he does it, but you watch-- alligator arms will start showing up on crossing routes. I couldn't take my eyes off the kid. He's DJ takented. Different skill sets than DJ, but just as much talent- and it's starting to seriously click for him. The game is slowing down. Last year he was always in a mad rush to get somewhere. This year, no mad rush because..... he's already there. Phenomenal potential. Some poor WR is going to order coffee and 46 will serve it to him decapitated.
GDDH and #2 need to get their sh!t on the same page. Remember that deep ball I warned you about during fall camp? The deep ball miscommunication that happened twice in the same practice? Only to have ND throw the exact same pass and GDDH and #2 did the exact same thing they did in practice thus making us look stupid on national TV?
Happened again. It was like Deja vu. 31 looks confident. The rest of them look like clones. All the same height, same build, same everything. GDDH did break up some throws, but it wasn't Elway out there throwing pin point lasers, it was Captain Scattershot and his ilk. I was going to bring an 8X10 black and white of GDDH and have him autograph it "to my biggest fan metcalf, love Dylan" but I decided not to.
Not really a glowing practice but if my schedule allows, I will try and get back and see that last one before the O&W game.
We ain't there yet boys- I am curious to catch a fall camp practice when the OL and DL are down to the nut cutting.
First off let me say I picked the wrong day to go. Should've gone during a scrimmage. But whatever. I didn't stay long because I got a phone call and had a last minute engagement I had to get to.
Pace- Rapid. The turn around time on plays is REALLY fast. The offense would get into a rhythm and then "BOOM" something would derail it. Bad play, false start, missed assignment- and you could see all momentum just grind to a halt. This is practice- I get it. But the body language of some of the guys on O was that of frustration--- which leads me to believe that this happens a lot.
QB- can we find someone that can throw a damn out route? And not a 5 yard out I mean a 15 yard out.... TS throws like a scattergun. Either too "floaty" or too short. We loves us some bubble screens too. Don't get me started on his deep ball. Saw him hit one guy in stride. Other throws the WR either had to slow down, come back, or it was over his head. He threw three full on quails and his pass has developed a bit of a wobble. But we can't throw an out route to save our lives.
SB is about----- ok, hold out your right hand and make a fist. Now extend your index finger. That's about how big around SB is. He tiny. Decent arm but he struggles on the deep out as well. You can tell he's a little unsure of himself because before and after almost every play, he glances over at the staff for what I assume is approval. But as a freshman it's understandable. Suffice it to say, I didn't walk away with a warm fuzzy about the QB situation. It's going to be TS, like it or not.
I didn't see KL take a single snap which leads me to believe his days at QB are numbered. Sorry metcalf, I know you had high hopes.
WRs- we've got dudes that look the part. They look like NFL wrs standing there. Tall, gazelle looking dudes. Nobody that looks like Lovell Pinckney of course, but they "look" like football players. #1 is running good crisp routes and exploding out of his breaks. He needs to keep his eyes up more, I caught him looking down at his feet several times which means he's either A. Marking his breaks with his eyes (run to THAT spot and cut) or B. Just has a bad habit. I can't tell. His hands look better but with Captain Scattershot throwing, it's tough to tell. #85 and either #6 or #8 (can't remember which and I wasn't writing sh!t down) one of those two can't run routes for sh!t. 85 looks like an NBA small forward. Dude looks 6'7. He's got hops, but looks awkward running routes. And because he's tall, QB throws it up where only he can get it. I see a problem happening when we line up against a zone secondary that doesn't shower with him. A bad a$$ safety could cut him in half. I give him props for going up on the ladder over the middle but someone could easily lay him out, and he doesn't have to worry about friendly fire right now. Over all I give them a "meh"--- where as last year it was an "ugh".
RB- 33 is a big boy. 25 is a really big boy. 25 needs to realize he's not beating anybody to the edge so square your shoulders and get north and south. He's running to open grass and his has a tendency to want to try and get outside the box to make a play. E for effort but he'll make his money by running between the tackles. He's not going to beat you in a 100 yard dash, but he's not slow either. He just needs to work on getting the plant foot in the ground and exploding up field. The rest will take care of itself. 33 has some juke, quick feet, good vision, but needs to hold onto the rock better. I assume he's laid a few down this spring because he was getting chewed on a bit about it. Over all we are solid there.
OL and DL--- sorry, I can't grade them. Everyone stays up high during practice to avoid injury. You can't accurately judge guys that aren't playing at full speed in a game situation.
TE- it's 42's job to lose. Again, everybody stays high, but his blocking looks pretty good for a TE. Runs decent routes, isn't going to blow past you if you're a safety but if we can get him isolated on a teams slowest LB there will be a definite mismatch. He looks about 6'4 and has some a$$ on him and he runs nice routes. He's got a deceptively quick first step which will keep him from getting jammed. He's really our only option at that position.
LB- I said it last year and I'll say it again- 46 is going to kill someone. He's learning. Last year he was all over the field but out of position a lot. He relied on his speed to make plays and get him back into position after a misstep- like all great HS athletes can do at THAT level. Well folks, them days is over. He passed up so many kill shots it was silly. He's learned that if a TE is running a deep drag over the middle, instead of running towards him to initiate contact and risk over pursuing the play, to just wait. There will be a TE or wr running a middle crossing route this year that will have a brush with death. Write it down, in stone, hermetically seal it. 46 will go megaton thermonuclear on somebody. It's probably going to cost him a game when he does it, but you watch-- alligator arms will start showing up on crossing routes. I couldn't take my eyes off the kid. He's DJ takented. Different skill sets than DJ, but just as much talent- and it's starting to seriously click for him. The game is slowing down. Last year he was always in a mad rush to get somewhere. This year, no mad rush because..... he's already there. Phenomenal potential. Some poor WR is going to order coffee and 46 will serve it to him decapitated.
GDDH and #2 need to get their sh!t on the same page. Remember that deep ball I warned you about during fall camp? The deep ball miscommunication that happened twice in the same practice? Only to have ND throw the exact same pass and GDDH and #2 did the exact same thing they did in practice thus making us look stupid on national TV?
Happened again. It was like Deja vu. 31 looks confident. The rest of them look like clones. All the same height, same build, same everything. GDDH did break up some throws, but it wasn't Elway out there throwing pin point lasers, it was Captain Scattershot and his ilk. I was going to bring an 8X10 black and white of GDDH and have him autograph it "to my biggest fan metcalf, love Dylan" but I decided not to.
Not really a glowing practice but if my schedule allows, I will try and get back and see that last one before the O&W game.
We ain't there yet boys- I am curious to catch a fall camp practice when the OL and DL are down to the nut cutting.
I really like Blueitt's mental attitude and confidence that he brought last year.
I am concerned about Safety support in the run game. Apparently Haines is the best option because he knows how to get lined up, get other people lined up and he seems to be able to get to the correct spot. He just can't make a play when he gets there. I am hoping the speed at linebacker will hide some of the issues with the Safetys.
46 will serve coffee decapitated is freaking awesome!!
Well I have a big batch of kool-aid I got to throw away.
Clob...good or bad thanks for the info brother.
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Bluitt was a pleasant surprise last year and I hope he is used more this year.
I'll caution that all fan bases get hyped after recruiting season happens and there are shiny new things to hope for. And all the fluff articles come out in the offseason about x players growth.
All you have to do is turn on any game video from the past 3 years and see TS at QB to know that we are in trouble. Heck, just read the above synopsis on his practice throws.
Year after year after year it is the same story. Hope and no QB help. Good grief. I like the new recruits. Love what Strong and co are doing on D. Love the attitude and discipline and weight room growth. Love the new OC and OL hires and change of direction on O. Now if we could just get a damn serviceable QB some time this decade.
Don't mean to put clouds over the sunshine. We will be better. And we were a play of two away last year from winning a few other games. But being honest, we simply weren't that good. And we won't be world beaters for a while without a half decent QB. Which it looks right now like we are inexcusably still looking for.
All you have to do is turn on any game video from the past 3 years and see TS at QB to know that we are in trouble. Heck, just read the above synopsis on his practice throws.
Year after year after year it is the same story. Hope and no QB help. Good grief. I like the new recruits. Love what Strong and co are doing on D. Love the attitude and discipline and weight room growth. Love the new OC and OL hires and change of direction on O. Now if we could just get a damn serviceable QB some time this decade.
Don't mean to put clouds over the sunshine. We will be better. And we were a play of two away last year from winning a few other games. But being honest, we simply weren't that good. And we won't be world beaters for a while without a half decent QB. Which it looks right now like we are inexcusably still looking for.
Thanks for the report, clob. Been jonesin' one of these.
Which day did you go? Strong was irritated about (at least) one of the practices this past week.
Edit: Never mind. Haines was injured last Saturday, and you said you didn't attend a scrimmage, so it had to be March 31 or earlier. It makes me feel a little better that this isn't a report from our most recent practice.
Which day did you go? Strong was irritated about (at least) one of the practices this past week.
Edit: Never mind. Haines was injured last Saturday, and you said you didn't attend a scrimmage, so it had to be March 31 or earlier. It makes me feel a little better that this isn't a report from our most recent practice.
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Sighhhh.....I guess it is because we are texas. We cant seem to get JUCO's because our admissions are too high....we couldnt get Golson last year because ND wouldnt let him go to us....we cant get Webb this year because TT will block it.I am sure we could get any number of one just as crappy or worse than what we have.
If Sterlin Gilbert can get Tyrone to play good enough to lead us to 8 maybe 9 wins, than he'll become the Anne Sullivan of college football.
We can get xfers. We just haven't yet.
We could have gotten the kid from UF Grier who just went to WVU. I am glad we didn't with his issues.
We could have gotten O'Korn from UH but didn't try. We lost out on the Adams kid to Oregon. Among many others. Maybe we could have gotten Murray from ATM, again glad we didn't here. There have been a load of guys that TCU has gotten.
The academics thing has some legs, but football players have lowered standards. If the staff wants them in, they can work to make it possible as long as the kid has some progress towards a degree.
Interesting how I keep hearing GDDH is so good at lining up and communicating, then clob yet again, just like last year, suggests the opposite. I'm going with clob's word at that position.
Clob, I'm offended you didn't get me that autograph. Lol
Clob, I'm offended you didn't get me that autograph. Lol
Not trying to argue.... I've never said nor heard it said that Haines is good at "QB-ing" the backfield – the coaches think he's just better than anyone else they have/had. Maybe he is good at it and the other backs just don't fully understand. Or, it could be a combination of at-faults. Like I said before, Hall is gonna be a junior and the coaches are reportedly telling him to learn his assignments now or risk replacement.
I'm not defending Haines. I get as frustrated with him as you do.
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I have been saying this for a couple of years now! Throwing an out rout should be completed or hit the receiver at least 90% of the time. This is qb 101 and hopefully you caught them on an off day clob but I am not optimistic on the final product if we are going to go with the status quot at the qb position. Given the system we are going to be running this upcoming season this is not good news.
I thought an out route was the toughest throw a QB can make as most don't have an arm strong enough to get it there with enough velocity to beat the corner.
The typical out route is one of the hardest throws to make you are correct. You typically break these routes off at 10-12 yards.
A deep out is broken off around 15-16 yards
These routes are usually made with a power cut where the WR almost comes to a complete stop to make a 90 degree cut towards the sideline. The QB has to place the ball in the window where the WR can catch he ball between him and sidelines and put enough zip on it to get the ball in front of the CB before he breaks.
***A speed out is a different route where the WR takes about three steps up the field and rounds off his route towards to sideline while trying to gain speed. This is the easiest version of an out route to throw as it's typically ran from inside the formation and crosses another route pattern providing cushion for the QB to dump it off.
CoachEm Up (or anyone else)
What's your opinion utilizing a H-Back in this new offense?
What's your opinion utilizing a H-Back in this new offense?
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Yes, they can be the harder of the throws to make but most Varsity HS QB's in Texas that run a passing offense/air raid etc. are going to make these throw's and with some consistency. Regardless if the route is 7, 12, or 15 yards down field and that is with a three step drop. In general these routes should be thrown right on the receiver's break, so the db can not recover in time but the qb has got to know how to "lead" a throw and the angle is always going to be the same 90 degrees. Regardless of how difficult the routes are the individual we are discussing will miss more than he will connect based on the games I have seen and some of which are 7 yard outs thrown to the ground. Maybe he looks really good in practice, but I hope these coaches have a master plan because the Longhorn Nation is going to have a collective vomit in their mouth's if this get trotted out in the first game, which happens to be ND prime time Sunday night.
I think that's a bit of a hyperbole. Most varsity HS QB's can't even sniff a scholarship from a DIII program much less DI and add on to that P5 DI program. I doubt very seriously most HS QBs are doing anything with ease that ours can't. Not that I am defending our QBs, because they suck, but I know that you don't just pick these guys off trees. Let's not forget that Jerrod Heard also dominated when he was in high school, and now the concept of the forward pass seems foreign to him. What you see a high school player doing with ease against high school competition doesn't always translate to the next level.
Agree. It's easy as fans to justify moral victories and such with close "fluke" losses like OSU, but poor QB play is always going to rear it's head and drag you into those situations. Before anyone counters with a Bama argument their QB play and ours are night and day. No they don't have elite QBs either, but they have efficient and effective QBs. We don't have anything close to that. There is a whole lot of in between between suck and elite.
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