Not to change the subject but so does your mom..... at least she swallows.... wish she had done that before u were born though. kick rocks punk.
aTm ruined the Big 12...per San Antonio columnist...
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Not to change the subject but so does your mom..... at least she swallows.... wish she had done that before u were born though. kick rocks punk.
You may be right. I am expecting a sound asskicking. Watched them vs. Tennessee, and I could not believe how HUGE and athletic they are. Hope it is doesn't get out of hand honestly.
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The death won't be because you left. The Big 12 has been bleeding badly for a while. You can shoot the final bullet, but make not mistake about it..the conference has been on life support.
It actually is about to get paid not to expand, should Texas and OU decide to climb back to the top...They can keep it afloat should they choose to. The revenue isn't bad by any means.
You see, if the underlings are prepared to keep OU and Texas happy, this thing could last another lifetime. The 2 big dawgs will get what they want. Problem is,OU will never get what Texas has when it comes to revenue. "Sooner" or later, they jump ship.
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When Texas leaves it will religate the Big 12 to Conf USA status. Especially in the eyes of the TV guys. When that happens BlowU and Okie lite jump ship as does Kansas. Tech Baylor and TCU have no more bullets in their gun so I think they will all be left behind.
The smart thing for the conference is to expand with all teams that want to be part of the conference. No matter if they do or don't Texas and Oklahoma are gone. Might as well begin to increase their foot print.
Isnt it true that under the Grant of Rights, no team can leave before 2025 without forfeiting all of their revenue during that time. My understanding is this ensures the conference will at least be around for 9 more years. To avoid this, would all conference presidents have to agree to disband?
The simplest way to look at it is 9 more years without an extension. The Big 12 won't make it if Texas and OU jump ship, Kansas has value and several of the others would get snatched up, it could easily implode. The problem becomes 16 team conferences.
The penalty in 2023 would be two years revenue and this might be reduced by negotiation between leaving and remaining members. I would expect some tire kicking beginning around 2022. The current Big10 television deal expires in 2023.
75% of the Big12 Board of Directors can approve dissolution of the conference, or alter the terms of revenue split or penalties for withdrawal.
1.5.2(b) The following actions may be taken only if approved by the affirmative vote of a Supermajority of Disinterested Directors (as defined below):
(2) The dissolution, liquidation, winding-up, merger, sale, or transfer of all or substantially all of the assets of the Conference;
The term “Supermajority of Disinterested Directors” with respect to any issue shall mean seventyfive percent (75%) or more of all persons who are Disinterested Directors with respect to such
issue...
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/Bylaws.pdf
Hook 'em(2) The dissolution, liquidation, winding-up, merger, sale, or transfer of all or substantially all of the assets of the Conference;
The term “Supermajority of Disinterested Directors” with respect to any issue shall mean seventyfive percent (75%) or more of all persons who are Disinterested Directors with respect to such
issue...
http://www.big12sports.com/fls/10410/pdfs/handbook/Bylaws.pdf
Playing at Bama, if anything, this is the year and game that aggys can make their statement. They beat Prairie View, now the Tide.
A statement will be made. It will likely be "Holy crap, this is the most talented Alabama team in the Saban era". Big games left are LSU & Ole Miss, because Bama ain't happening. Did you see them vs. Tennessee? They have pro's everywhere, including the bench.
I am a realistic fan but your hopeless approach makes want to puke.
Yes, this may very well be the best Bama team under Saban. However, true freshman QB's do have bad games and turn the ball over. We have an opportunistic defense that forces turnovers.
Of course its much more probable than not that Bama wins. But this is in no way an unwinnable game. The TAMU players are feeding off this outrageous 19 pt line. They are going to have something to prove.
You also have a Senior QB that's not super efficient passing the ball, the QB woes go both ways and while one (Aggies) may force Hurts to turn the ball over, the other (Bama) is more likely to score off Knight mistakes.
I think it will be a good game and Bama -19 is nucking futs.
Interesting stat came out yesterday. This will only be the 5th time that there is a 14+ pt spread in game between teams in top 6. The favorite has never covered and lost outright 2 of the 4 times.
My prediction would be that the game could very well turn out like Bama/Ole Miss this year. High scoring and competitive, but yes Bama likely wins.
Ags were a +14 dog when they came out early and fast on offense putting up 20 in a hurry with Johnny f'n football in 2012. IT got a little tight after that and Bama lost the game on an Aggie takeaway at the goal line to win by 5. It's too bad McCarron threw it to an Aggie.
The following game at Kyle was entertaining, with a lot of trash points scored late by the Ags, then there was...2014
The line was Bama -13 in 2014 I believe and that was embarrassing.
Personally, I don't think the Ags are all that good...Double OT against an over ranked UT and a lost soul in UCLA (Both games the Ags were up and couldn't put them away. They might be a team of destiny where the ball bounces their way, but those teams don't typically win it all and they get destroyed at some point.
It will take them winning this game to change my perspective.
Just like I think Texas will be lucky to win more than four games at this point! Prove me wrong!
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You bring up something I was thinking about.
In the NFL it used to be that you could find sleepers in the draft by going to small schools. I don't think that is the case anymore. Every player at every school is pretty much scouted out. There are no hidden gems at Palo Alto JC any more.
However at a school like Bama you can find guys who are good enough to start at most schools but sitting so far down the depth chart they can't see the light of day. I think there are about 10 schools out there that fall into this category. Good enough to make it in the NFL but behind too much NFL talent in college to play.
Good example is Barry Saunders. For 2 years he played behind Thurman Thomas and it wasn't until his junior year before he got the chance to show what he could do. Imagine if Thomas and Saunders were both freshmen together. He might never have gotten the opportunity to show what he could do. Another good example is Priest Holmes who was promising as a freshmen and soph before tearing up his knee and then sitting behind Shon Mitchele and Ricky Williams. He goes to the NFL and kills it.
Just my thoughts.
I don't know if I agree with that. The NFL is still littered with guys from no name schools. Obviously technology has made scouting more efficient and effective but there are still large gaps for people to fall through. As far as talent sitting behind talent it doesn't really happen like it did 20+ years ago. You weren't in 4 wide sets all time and you weren't rotating RBs like you do today. That's why there are so many transfers these days which were rare years ago they are going where they can play. Outside of OL and QB you pretty much see the entire 2, 3, or even 4 deep get PT in today's college football.
I am cautiously optimistic that this TAMU team is not like the ones that folded after nice starts the past 2 years. Regardless, that wont be enough if Bama comes out with its A game. We are going to have to force some turnovers and play mostly mistake free to win. We are playing well enough on both sides of the ball to make this a competitive game. I was not impressed with the way we approached the 2nd half of the Tennessee game. Glad we got the W but it never should have gotten to that point. And you would be right about teams of destiny, that's what Tenn was until the clock struck 12 at Kyle Field. There luck was done and then Bama prison raped them on their turf (and could have won by 50 if they wanted to). I hope we are not that team.
Go ahead and puke. I try to look at it objectively. We are really good, but I don't believe in beating my chest about something unlikely to happen. I will be disappointed if we don't win, but I won't run around saying we suck if we get rolled. Makes me want to puke when fans talk shit and then bitch and moan when the more talented team beats you.
Go to Texags during the game. The same idiots claiming we will win by 20 points now will be melting down and want to fire everyone if it goes as expected.
What I think means zero to the outcome of the game. Zero.
If I thought claiming we should win would gain us 1 yard, I would do it. Old guys on message boards don't win or lose games.
Hope I am dead wrong. No one would be happier than me about it. Think we will win 10 or 11 regular season games. That seems optimistic and realistic, imo.
So the Ags are really good?
A few stats in comparison to a team that's not and the board you're visiting:
Aggy O:
6 games/469 plays/3197 yds/6.82 ypp/28 TD/ 532.8 ypg
Texas O:
6 games/500 plays/3000 yds/6.00ypp/30TD/ 500 ypg
Aggy Run D 69th of 128
248 carries/956 yds/3.85 per carry/8 TD/ 159.3 ypg
Texas Run D 76th of 128
267 carries/995 yds/3.73 per carry/11 TD/ 165.8 ypg
Aggy Pass D 109th of 128
141/247 - 1669 yds/ 5TD/ 11.84 per comp/ 278.2 ypg
Texas Pass D 112th of 128
118/184 - 1671 yds/ 15TD/ 14.16 per comp/ 278.5 ypg
Sacks:
Aggy 20
Texas 23
Turnover margin and Scoring D are the only reason the Ags are still undefeated, if they keep that shit above going on, they aren't headed anywhere that matters in the end.
While Texas has struggled against the pass as it corresponds to big plays, the lack of turnovers/ scoring off turnovers are the biggest component to them being 3-3. While scoring D is nice, Texas has enough offense to win games.
A few stats in comparison to a team that's not and the board you're visiting:
Aggy O:
6 games/469 plays/3197 yds/6.82 ypp/28 TD/ 532.8 ypg
Texas O:
6 games/500 plays/3000 yds/6.00ypp/30TD/ 500 ypg
Aggy Run D 69th of 128
248 carries/956 yds/3.85 per carry/8 TD/ 159.3 ypg
Texas Run D 76th of 128
267 carries/995 yds/3.73 per carry/11 TD/ 165.8 ypg
Aggy Pass D 109th of 128
141/247 - 1669 yds/ 5TD/ 11.84 per comp/ 278.2 ypg
Texas Pass D 112th of 128
118/184 - 1671 yds/ 15TD/ 14.16 per comp/ 278.5 ypg
Sacks:
Aggy 20
Texas 23
Turnover margin and Scoring D are the only reason the Ags are still undefeated, if they keep that shit above going on, they aren't headed anywhere that matters in the end.
While Texas has struggled against the pass as it corresponds to big plays, the lack of turnovers/ scoring off turnovers are the biggest component to them being 3-3. While scoring D is nice, Texas has enough offense to win games.
Total Offense
TAMU #17
Texas #31
I would submit you have not played a decent defense yet this season.
As you mention, scoring defense and turnovers have been huge. We are #22 in scoring defense and #3 in turnovers forced. Typically that's not a fluke when you look at a 6 game span and really going back to last season. We only allowed 30+ pts 1 time in 2015.
2nd half defense has been soft, especially when we have had a big lead. I think they have gone prevent too early and its almost cost them 2x. The Chavis defensive approach this season has been to give up some yards but stiffen up inside the 20. Its also an aggressive defense with regard to forcing turnovers. I am concerned about Ole Miss as well as Bama. I don't like our chances if we fall behind by double digits. We have played from ahead for most of the season.
Ags don't even play the top offenses in the country.
They aren't that good bro, but they're 6-0. I'll consider them a good team if they can beat Bama.
I've never seen a team with a 99th ranked total D accomplish anything.
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It is when you have the complete package on defense.
Top 12 scoring defenses
Michigan
Florida
Ohio State
LSU
Miami
Army
Washington
Bama
Wisky
Clemson
Auburn
Baylor - I don't think this team has given up a point in the 4th quarter.
Now go look at where those squads rank in every other statistical category.
The only half-ass 56th ranked total D to ever win a national title was Auburn a few years ago and they had the number 1 scoring Defense.
The most important stat on defense is turnover margin. The ags are at 1, Bama is at .57, yet Bama has scored 11 D/ST TD's and has only given up 11 total TD's.
There's more to it than being ranked 22 in scoring D
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Not sure where you are getting stats. I looked at ESPN team defense stats and they have TAMU at #78 (not great mind you but better than what you reference).
I cant believe you don't at least consider them a good team right now. I would think you would consider them a very good team if they beat Bama.
I don't think they're a complete team or a good team. I think they are a product of what they've played and their best wins appear to be Arky and Auburn. The schedule is back-loaded. They've been here before, it's time to close. Like I said, they're 6-0 and they have 2 Double OT wins against very average squads. Those are teams that get closed out in regulation by good teams, not allow them to come back from three score deficits to take it to OT..
The only stats that matter:
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/football/fbs/current/team/22
99th, just in front of Mizzou.
For good measure and perspective with all other variables remaining the same, had Texas closed out versus Cal and OU whom they could have just as easily beaten. I wouldn't think they were anywhere near a good team at 5-1, just because.
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I think that line is more a product of Vegas wanting to even out the $$$. The line is probably more accurately 10-12 but if they put it there 90% of it ends up on Bama. If TAMU covers, Vegas takes a bath.
Except the money has moved the line up to 19 with some books.
http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/texas-am-alabama-odds-october-22-2016-730022
What is amazing is Bama has won 4 NC's in 7 years and I think last week's performance elevated them even further. They beat the #9 team in their house 49-10 and probably would have scored 70 if they hadn't called the dogs off. I know Tenn is not top 10 but that was still a dominating performance. All the talk this week has been about Bama and that's just fine with me. I would rather go in with nobody thinking we have a shot.
And you are correct, at this point being in these games isn't enough, we have to win them. And there are no excuses. TAMU has probably 7-8 players who could be in the NFL next year. Its time to get it done.
It is just amusing to me that you guys thought you were "back" because of beating a 2-5 team in game 1, and now you are telling us that we are not good at all at 6-0. Even if Bama rolls us, we would still be as good as 90% of the country. I think we are decent right now and haven't played our best yet. If we do it could be very competitive, if we don't, it will be wood shed.
Joe, if you cant come into a conversation without moving the goal post, take your BAS back to the sunshine pumping aggy boards.
Of course you think they're good, Aggy bias.
