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I didn't see it but I just saw the score. Apparently Miami dominated from start to finish and Jimmy Butler came up huge give him credit. Game 7 NBA finals on the road.
So now we more have Miami/Denver.
No, the game was definitely physical back then. But I just believe it is over romanticized about how physical it actually was.
You put that 2017 Warriors team up against any of those teams from the 80's and 90's and they beat them in a 7 game series. Skill beats physicality any day in basketball.
I don't need to watch highlights. I grew up in the late 70's and 80's and watched plenty of basketball.
I don't disagree that the sharp shooters would definitely be a hand full early in the series.
But it becomes really hard to shoot with a sprained wrist, jammed middle finger, twisted ankle, and hyperextended knee- which is what most of them would have after about game 3.
I just don't see today's point guards penetrating the lane on a guy like Ewing or Rodman and nor walking away with some bruises.
That's the thing, that Warriors team would beat you from the outside and wouldn't have to get into the paint. Look, I loved watching basketball in the 80's and 90's as that was the era I grew up in. I just think the physicality gets a little over hyped from that era is all.
Who ever thinks that today's game isn't at physical as it used to be isn't watching the NBA. Has anyone here watched Kevon Looney? The guys a thug what he got away with in the Kings/Warriors series was ridiculous.
And there was the other guy on the Warriors Zaza Pachula that cheap shot he took on Kawhi Leonard a few years ago destroyed the spurs chances in that series.
Bruce Bowen, Draymond, I could go on and on.
And there was the other guy on the Warriors Zaza Pachula that cheap shot he took on Kawhi Leonard a few years ago destroyed the spurs chances in that series.
Bruce Bowen, Draymond, I could go on and on.
I grew up in the same era. It was far more physical and demanding back then. Shooters had a very difficult time getting open because of the holding and pushing that was allowed on the perimeter. No way Klay or Steph would get the open looks like they do today. Because today you’re not allowed to hold or push guys who are trying to get open. It’s a foul today but it wasn’t a foul in the 80’s. The “hand check” rules were instituted in the late 90’s to make the game more pleasant to watch and to increase scoring. Back then, teams had a hell of a time to score 90 points. Especially in the playoffs where scores were sometimes in the 70’s and 80’s
Today it’s common for teams to score in the 120’s because of the way the game is called. Fans wanted more scoring and less ground and pound defense.
Amen. Watch the hand checking in that era. Doesn't matter how quick you are if the defender just "guides" you away from the goal.
Kind of like this great physical defense?? Teams had a hell of a time scoring because there was maybe 3 to 3 guys on a team that could shoot the basketball. Now everybody from the 1 to the 5 can shoot the ball. Like I said, that era of basketball is over romanticized.
These are 2 of the best teams of the 70's 80's and 90's and look how pathetic that defense is.
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It's funny because in the clip, Hubie Brown is flat out saying that nobody is playing any defense-- like they normally would play.
It's widely accepted that Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward ever to play. Even Charles Barkley said so.
Duncan played against Jordan at the peak of his powers 97-98- as well as after Jordan retired and came back to Washington.
Duncan's mentor, David Robinson, warned Duncan early in his career about how physical the game was and how important it was to take care of all the bumps and bruises.
Then in 2004- the hand checking rule vanished. The game became more about skill than strength and power. As Kevin Garnett said "Can you imagine NOT being able to hand check Jordan?". And "the game is less physical now..."
He's right. Jordan would fvcking cream people in today's game.
It's pretty simple- you throw Gary Payton on the court with today's rules and he fouls out before half time.
You throw Steph Curry on the court in 94 and he'd be shooting everything from half court-- because that's as close as he'd be allowed to get to the basket.
Yes- the game has changed.
It IS more about skill now- and that's fine. But like everything else in life, we've NERFed the sh!t out of it. Intimidation is no longer allowed. Bullying on the court is not longer allowed. You can't HAMMER a guy going up for a dunk to send a message. You can't body check a guy coming down the lane.
I fvcking hate it.
Here's Garnett-
Kevin Garnett doesn't think players from 20 years ago could play in today's NBA
Kevin Garnett loves where basketball is headed and doesn't think players from his era could hang today.
A tweet from a Russell Westbrook fan. Speaking of no defense 😂 😂 😂
For those that believe the physicality is "romanticized" - an oldie but a goodie.
Exactly. Joe Dumars was the best perimeter defender in those days. He was the master of using the arm bar to guide opponents towards his shot blockers and enforcers in the paint
Not only a Westbrook fan, but apparently dumb enough to think he’s the GOAT??? 😂 That tweet lost all credibility before I could even read it,
Dillon Mitchell coming back for a sophomore season. Smart decision on his part. Man a lot was made about losing Holland and Johnson but despite that this team is going to be loaded nest year.
WRL - your take doesn't look so stupid this morning. This is going to be a great series.
Lol. Jokic is great. C’mon man. I just like giving Cali a hard time.
It's going to be good series wouldn't surprise if it goes 7. These teams matchup very well.
And a special shout-out to Miami coach Erik Spoelstra.
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So what does the roster currently look like?
Disu
Abmas-- dude is really good
Mitchell
Hunter
Brock
That transfer from Virginia
Somebody help me out. Front court looks good. Starting guards look solid. I'm forgetting a few
Disu
Abmas-- dude is really good
Mitchell
Hunter
Brock
That transfer from Virginia
Somebody help me out. Front court looks good. Starting guards look solid. I'm forgetting a few
Chendall Weaver was another transfer from UTA. Kid was highly underrated coming out of high school and has tons of upside.
Just picked up a commitment from Chris Johnson. He was the #52 overall rated prospect in the country. Roster has come together pretty nicely now that it's played out.
this year's team had a lot of mental toughness, a lot of experience, a lot of those intangibles. as talented, not as talented-- whatever-- but that was a really special team. some may argue one disu injury away from a natty. we were close to the f4 as it was. i hope we're as good, but there are just certain things you can't know until a team has its feet held to the fire
There's a lot of experience on this coming years roster as well. I'm skeptical about RT as a coach but I do feel like now that the dust has settled that he put a pretty decent roster together.
That’s what I like about it though. We have seen it on the court.
Disu was one of the best players in the country last year, and I think we beat Miami if he had been 100%
The ORU transfer was the best player on a really good ORU team.
Hunter I don’t think was very good last year mostly but he’s capable of much more and I think we’ll see it.
This team has a track recorded individually that is very good. Now they’ll have to come together and do it, but I think RT can bring them together. A lot was made about losing the two big freshman recruits, but the reality is that the teams that win in college basketball these days are the ones with juniors and seniors. Not the ones with 5 star one and done freshmen.
You're in denial if you don't think 2 top 10 national recruits wouldn't have made this team better next year. Ron Holland is likely the number 1 overall pick in next years NBA draft. This roster is not as good without those 2 guys.
Yeah. Except I didn’t say those guys wouldn’t have made the team better. I said the teams that win in college basketball today are not built around the 1 and done Freshman. To be honest with this group around him Ron holland would have been a monster, but Texas will have a good season and be a contender without him
You're right, you didn't directly say it. But your last 2 sentences basically implied it...
