Biden fear mongering Covid hoax No. 2

[Hornius Emeritus]

link please

Is the Journal of the American Medical Association good enough for you?

2020 saw 560,000 more deaths than the average of the previous five years

As I said, that Covid is quite a hoax. It somehow managed to convince hundreds of thousands of people to die.

 

[clob94]

Is the Journal of the American Medical Association good enough for you?

2020 saw 560,000 more deaths than the average of the previous five years

As I said, that Covid is quite a hoax. It somehow managed to convince hundreds of thousands of people to die.

And we all know that many of the covid "deaths" were people who were already on their way out, respectfully, and covid sped up the process.

I'll give you a first hand account as an example.

A man I grew up with in Corpus, Kevin, his father had been on the transplant list for months while he waited for a liver. He was having his diaphragm drained weekly to keep the fluid from building up. The man had maybe a month or two left before his demise.

He got covid, and died a week later. When my buddy Kevin was handed the death certificate, the cause of death was "covid". I was sitting next to him while this went down. He told the hospital attendant that if they didn't change to cause of death to "liver failure" that he'd burn the hospital to the ground.
I backed him up. That's what friends do.

I was fully prepared to decimate that building and those people for the lies they were telling for money.

A nurse approached me in the lobby after our very heated exchange with staff and doctors, as it spilled out into the lobby. The nurse informed me that the hospital received more government funding if people "died" of covid-- even if they didn't.

My business partner whose wife is an administrator at Dell children's hospital, and former admin at Seton, confirmed this.

The government is lying. It's not the first time we've been lied to.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

And we all know that many of the covid "deaths" were people who were already on their way out, respectfully, and covid sped up the process.

Please tell me that you aren't this stupid.

 

[Belldozer1]

Is the Journal of the American Medical Association good enough for you?

2020 saw 560,000 more deaths than the average of the previous five years

As I said, that Covid is quite a hoax. It somehow managed to convince hundreds of thousands of people to die.

Pure covid deaths huh? Chucklz not even close. Covid is a parasite to other diseases and preys on the medically compromised.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

Pure covid deaths huh? Chucklz not even close. Covid is a parasite to other diseases and preys on the medically compromised.

Covid is parasite to other diseases? You're too stupid to debate.

 

[clob94]

Please tell me that you aren't this stupid.

Please tell me this didn't happen. Because it did. And being a douche and insulting me won't get you anywhere. And worst of all, for you, I'm 100% confident that you would not be the keyboard warrior you're trying to be if you and I were in person.

You'd shut your fvcking mouth and realize that you were wrong. There were people that were sick with diabetes, heart conditions, kidney, lung, innumerable conditions that were going to kill them.

Covid exasperated it. It sped up the inevitable.

It's a cull. And you're too stupid and weak to realize that with no matter of prevention can something like this be stopped.

So hope I bump into you one day.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

There were people that were sick with diabetes, heart conditions, kidney, lung, innumerable conditions that were going to kill them.

Did people just start getting sick with diabetes, heart conditions, kidney conditions etc... last year? Or were there people with those same conditions dying in each of the five preceding years? Because 560,000 MORE people died last year than they did, on average, over the five preceding years. That's quite a hoax.

Your "hoax" is so convincing that the conservative mayor of Waco said that Waco's medical infrastructure is crashing and the morgues are full. Texas just ordered five FEMA morgue trailers. One's going to Waco.

Covid has hospitals teetering on the brink, doctors and nurses are exhausted, morgue trailers are being ordered and it's killing previously healthy people, like my friend Daniel, with whom I played darts nearly every week for 30 years.

And y'all are convinced it's a hoax.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

It's a cull.

I almost didn't see this. Yeah. It's a cull. LIKE EVERY OTHER FATAL DISEASE. The difference being that, unlike most of them, it is passed from person to person.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

Someone should tell Caleb Wallace that it's a hoax:




Or Marc Bernier:




Or any of the countless folks on the Herman Cain award reddit sub-forum.

https://www.reddit.com/r/HermanCainAward/

Oh, wait, you can't tell them that it's a hoax because they are dead.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

Somebody might want to tell the German, South African and UK researches who uncovered how the SARS Covid-2 virus works that it's a hoax and a "parasite to other diseases" (whatever the hell that is) because they sure do seem to think that it's an actual disease that is actually killing people.

Here's a lovely bit of reading regarding how the SARS COVID-2 virus operates:

The mechanism the virus uses to hollow out lung tissue is now at least partly known: it is able to fuse adjacent cells together so that it can move from one cell to another without ever entering the intercelluar fluid, where it can be recognized and attacked by antibodies. Eventually this forms a large mass of hollowed out nonfunctioning cell walls that finally collapses, releasing a huge load of virus particles all at once. After weeks of this the lungs consist of just scraps of scar tissue loosely hung together and no longer involved in respiration.


https://www.news-medical.net/news/2...pidly-spreads-by-cell-fusion-finds-study.aspx


Might want to tell the Mayor of Waco that it's a hoax. He's convinced that it's overwhelming his hospitals and that his morgues are full:

Waco in Trouble


The good folks at the University of Texas Covid-19 modeling consortium might be surprised to learn it's a hoax and that "with no matter of prevention can something like this be stopped," because they seem to believe that there are measures that can be taken:

"Experts: 100,000 more could die of Covid between now and Dec. 1. That number would be cut in half if people wore masks in public spaces.

"The U.S. is projected to see nearly 100,000 more COVID-19 deaths between now and Dec. 1, according to the nation's most closely watched forecasting model. But health experts say that toll could be cut in half if nearly everyone wore a mask in public spaces.

In other words, what the coronavirus has in store this fall depends on human behavior.

“Behavior is really going to determine if, when and how sustainably the current wave subsides,” said Lauren Ancel Meyers, director of the University of Texas COVID-19 Modeling Consortium. “We cannot stop delta in its tracks, but we can change our behavior overnight.”

Close to 100,000 people projected to die between now and Dec. 1 but that number could be cut in half if we changed our ways

But then, what do the Mayor of Waco, the director of the UT Covid-19 Modeling Consortium, and the researchers who have uncovered exactly how Covid hollows out the lungs know compared to the eminent microbiologists here on Orangebloods? Seriously, why don't you all call these people and let them in on the fact that it's a hoax? Just call them all up and say "don't worry about it! There's nothing that can be done. It's just a cull."

 

[Drtxhorn]

Is the Journal of the American Medical Association good enough for you?

2020 saw 560,000 more deaths than the average of the previous five years

As I said, that Covid is quite a hoax. It somehow managed to convince hundreds of thousands of people to die.

Let me help you out. You see down at the bottom of your chart thingy where it explains these numbers? Notice what it says about the data for 2020? It clarifies that the data for 2020 is "provisional" which means it is just a guess. The bottom line is they don't know. In addition, the AMA is by no means an independent and impartial organization. They openly promote the narrative for a never ending pandemic because they believe it is financially lucrative for it's membership. Fortunately, most doctors want nothing to do with the AMA. They have zero credibility.

If you're a real truth seeker, you would go to an independent group of experts like say from Johns Hopkins University. Here's an article that outlines their analysis of the data and, unsurprisingly, their data completely contradicts your cute little chart from the AMA. Notice how they have actual documented data for 2020 deaths. Funny how their numbers for 2020 deaths are about 800k less than what you posted from the AMA. This Covid thing is nothing more than a slightly higher than average flu season. Is it real? Of course. Are people dying from it? You betcha. Are they dying at a rate to qualify it as a major pandemic where we're forced to be locked down and hide in a closet wearing three masks? Hell fvcking no! The lockdown alone has killed thousands plus shut down hundreds of thousands of small businesses and cost hundreds of thousands of job losses. That's a dream scenario for leftist politicians who want nothing more than to control every aspect of our lives. They're lying to us and you're just a useful idiot buying into this bullshit. Have a fvcking mind of your own and try to think for yourself.

Johns Hopkins: COVID Has Had No Effect On US Death Rate

Update 8/25/21: UK data shows vaxed dying at higher rate than unvaxed. Swedish data shows no excess deaths, mirroring this censored Hopkins study. “Therefore, according to Briand, not only h…

libertariannews.org

 

[westx]

Let me help you out. You see down at the bottom of your chart thingy where it explains these numbers? Notice what it says about the data for 2020? It clarifies that the data for 2020 is "provisional" which means it is just a guess. The bottom line is they don't know. In addition, the AMA is by no means an independent and impartial organization. They openly promote the narrative for a never ending pandemic because they believe it is financially lucrative for it's membership. Fortunately, most doctors want nothing to do with the AMA. They have zero credibility.

If you're a real truth seeker, you would go to an independent group of experts like say from Johns Hopkins University. Here's an article that outlines their analysis of the data and, unsurprisingly, their data completely contradicts your cute little chart from the AMA. Notice how they have actual documented data for 2020 deaths. Funny how their numbers for 2020 deaths are about 800k less than what you posted from the AMA. This Covid thing is nothing more than a slightly higher than average flu season. Is it real? Of course. Are people dying from it? You betcha. Are they dying at a rate to qualify it as a major pandemic where we're forced to be locked down and hide in a closet wearing three masks? Hell fvcking no! The lockdown alone has killed thousands plus shut down hundreds of thousands of small businesses and cost hundreds of thousands of job losses. That's a dream scenario for leftist politicians who want nothing more than to control every aspect of our lives. They're lying to us and you're just a useful idiot buying into this bullshit. Have a fvcking mind of your own and try to think for yourself.

Johns Hopkins: COVID Has Had No Effect On US Death Rate

Update 8/25/21: UK data shows vaxed dying at higher rate than unvaxed. Swedish data shows no excess deaths, mirroring this censored Hopkins study. “Therefore, according to Briand, not only h…

libertariannews.org

He probably also believes that Biden got> 81,000,000 legitimate votes because he can find a source.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

Let me help you out. You see down at the bottom of your chart thingy where it explains these numbers? Notice what it says about the data for 2020? It clarifies that the data for 2020 is "provisional" which means it is just a guess. The bottom line is they don't know. In addition, the AMA is by no means an independent and impartial organization. They openly promote the narrative for a never ending pandemic because they believe it is financially lucrative for it's membership. Fortunately, most doctors want nothing to do with the AMA. They have zero credibility.
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LOL: your article is dated 11/26/2020. According to Genevieve Briand, who did the research cited in the article (with numbers from the CDC), she compared data from mid-March, 2020 -mid September 2020:

https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...1/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19


And provisional does not mean it is "just a guess," as the CDC explains.

The AMA article that I linked got its data from the CDC. Here's what the CDC says:

Summary:

What is already known about this topic?

The COVID-19 pandemic caused approximately 375,000 deaths in the United States during 2020.

What is added by this report?

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death rates were highest among non-Hispanic Black persons and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death, and the COVID-19 death rate was highest among start highlightnon-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Provisional death estimates provide an early indication of shifts in mortality trends. Timely and actionable data can guide public health policies and interventions for populations experiencing higher numbers of deaths that are directly or indirectly associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CDC’s National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) collects and reports annual mortality statistics using data from U.S. death certificates. Because of the time needed to investigate certain causes of death and to process and review data, final annual mortality data for a given year are typically released 11 months after the end of the calendar year. Daily totals reported by CDC COVID-19 case surveillance are timely but can underestimate numbers of deaths because of incomplete or delayed reporting. As a result of improvements in timeliness and the pressing need for updated, quality data during the global COVID-19 pandemic, NVSS expanded provisional data releases to produce near real-time U.S. mortality data.* This report presents an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020, including the first ranking of leading causes of death. In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

Provisional does not mean that it is "just a guess" as you claim. It means that it is subject to change as more data comes in. And it may change .. a little. There could be fewer deaths or there could be more, but the final number of deaths is going to be very, very close to what the CDC has already published and what Ahmad and Anderson wrote. We will have the CDC's final numbers in November.

Incidentally, the "independent" Johns Hopkins says that, as of August 28, 638,720 people have died of Coronavirus in the United States:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Finally, while the article that I linked was published by the AMA, the two authors of the article do not work for the AMA. Rather, they are Farida B. Ahmad of the National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in and Robert Anderson, National Center for Health Statistics, Mortality Statistics Branch, Division of Vital Statistics, Hyattsville, Maryland.

I just emailed Farida Ahmad and asked him how close the final numbers will be for overall deaths in the United States in 2020 will be to what he published in March. I'll post his response.

 

[1consummate1]

I guess Dipshit Joe has damn near worn Covid hoax No. 1 out and now he’s scheming and injecting fear mongering into variant No. 2. Here’s the deal Dildo Joe, I know of no other vaccines you keep having to get once a year. That’s a freaking flu shot you imbecile.

For anyone keeping tabs, not even Biden believes his own bullshit about the new variant fixing to ‘overtake’ the US because he’s a prime suspect to get it but not even he’s wearing his mask but he is wearing those retarded aviator glasses which make him look even more ridiculous than he usually does.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...eighborhood-campaigns-COVID-vaccine-rate.html

Beldozer1…
Your thinking is why over 600,000 Americans are dead… You espouse a moronic and idiotic, irresponsible viewpoint, that the weak minded and uneducated people in America will victimize themselves to believe; and spread that incompetent rhetoric to others, to fall victim to.
Get a life, and quit spreading destructive lies.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I still don't know anyone who has died from it. I did know a lady who died from the vaccine. Sensational reporting of individual anomalies is fear porn and the libs lap it up.

I've had both variants and they were weaker than the flu. More like seasonal allergies. Yes, tests confirmed it. I'm in good health. Stop the fear porn.

We have 300,000,000 people in this country. Your death statistic is minuscule compared to the financial damage being done to business owners lives and their families. The benefit to this country if all libs caught covid and died would be orgasmic and a day of great freedom.

 

[danhorn]

I still don't know anyone who has died from it. I did know a lady who died from the vaccine. Sensational reporting of individual anomalies is fear porn and the libs lap it up.

I've had both variants and they were weaker than the flu. More like seasonal allergies. Yes, tests confirmed it. I'm in good health. Stop the fear porn.

We have 300,000,000 people in this country. Your death statistic is minuscule compared to the financial damage being done to business owners lives and their families. The benefit to this country if all libs caught covid and died would be orgasmic and a day of great freedom.

God Bless America...... wishing and celebrating the death of fellow Americans because their beliefs are different than you and your cronies on here.

 

[clob94]

LOL: your article is dated 11/26/2020. According to Genevieve Briand, who did the research cited in the article (with numbers from the CDC), she compared data from mid-March, 2020 -mid September 2020:

https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...1/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19


And provisional does not mean it is "just a guess," as the CDC explains.

The AMA article that I linked got its data from the CDC. Here's what the CDC says:

Summary:

What is already known about this topic?

The COVID-19 pandemic caused approximately 375,000 deaths in the United States during 2020.

What is added by this report?

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death rates were highest among non-Hispanic Black persons and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death, and the COVID-19 death rate was highest among start highlightnon-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Provisional death estimates provide an early indication of shifts in mortality trends. Timely and actionable data can guide public health policies and interventions for populations experiencing higher numbers of deaths that are directly or indirectly associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CDC’s National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) collects and reports annual mortality statistics using data from U.S. death certificates. Because of the time needed to investigate certain causes of death and to process and review data, final annual mortality data for a given year are typically released 11 months after the end of the calendar year. Daily totals reported by CDC COVID-19 case surveillance are timely but can underestimate numbers of deaths because of incomplete or delayed reporting. As a result of improvements in timeliness and the pressing need for updated, quality data during the global COVID-19 pandemic, NVSS expanded provisional data releases to produce near real-time U.S. mortality data.* This report presents an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020, including the first ranking of leading causes of death. In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

Provisional does not mean that it is "just a guess" as you claim. It means that it is subject to change as more data comes in. And it may change .. a little. There could be fewer deaths or there could be more, but the final number of deaths is going to be very, very close to what the CDC has already published and what Ahmad and Anderson wrote. We will have the CDC's final numbers in November.

Incidentally, the "independent" Johns Hopkins says that, as of August 28, 638,720 people have died of Coronavirus in the United States:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Finally, while the article that I linked was published by the AMA, the two authors of the article do not work for the AMA. Rather, they are Farida B. Ahmad of the National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in and Robert Anderson, National Center for Health Statistics, Mortality Statistics Branch, Division of Vital Statistics, Hyattsville, Maryland.

I just emailed Farida Ahmad and asked him how close the final numbers will be for overall deaths in the United States in 2020 will be to what he published in March. I'll post his response.

So it's an "educated guess" that's subject to change. Which is still a guess.

But I digress, your death numbers are inflated because many of these people that died had comorbidities. The stories of "cross fit buddy in great shape" that died of covid are outliers.

The OVERWHELMING majority of people that died from this were:

Over the age of 60
In poor health
Fat
Had a compromised immune system usually due to poor life choices, but some were genetic
Diabetic

If you are under the age of 55, not a fat fvck, healthy, you're chances of beating covid are 99.985%.

If you're under the age of 35 and healthy your chances are 99.992%.

Look, I get it, you're afraid. Just wear a t-shirt or a wave around a flag or maybe don some piece of clothing that let's us know you're afraid-- for whatever reason, legitimate or other-- and the rest of us will avoid you.

In the interim, I'm not going to be afraid. I watched on LIVE TV in April of 2020 as Dr Fauci exclaimed that if you suffer from respiratory diseases like asthma, this would probably be fatal. I accepted the challenge and did my best to get the disease. 2 months later I had it and never knew. Only a blood test revealed that I'd had it, kicked the living sh!t out of its weak ass, and then sh!t it out. So Fauci, yet again, had no fvcking clue what he was saying. A life long chronic asthmatic crushed this bug.

Then Dr Dipsh!t says that "natural immunity may not even last 6 months, at most, a year."
As of Friday last week, my blood test shows that I still have anti-bodies--- 15 months after.

So either I'm a medical miracle, or Fauci doesn't have a clue. I'm going with the latter.

 

[Belldozer1]

Covid is parasite to other diseases? You're too stupid to debate.

It’s simply a super flu that culls off the weak, old, immune compromised, nothing more. Continue to hide under your bed with your mask on, I’ll continue to make fun of you

 

[Belldozer1]

Beldozer1…
Your thinking is why over 600,000 Americans are dead… You espouse a moronic and idiotic, irresponsible viewpoint, that the weak minded and uneducated people in America will victimize themselves to believe; and spread that incompetent rhetoric to others, to fall victim to.
Get a life, and quit spreading destructive lies.

Well, I’m doing all I can to educate the masses. Thanks for taking the time out of your mask wearing day to grace us with your well thought out reply.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

So it's an "educated guess" that's subject to change. Which is still a guess.

But I digress, your death numbers are inflated because many of these people that died had comorbidities. .

Ah, the "comorbidities" canard again. As if it's relevant to the discussion we were having. Or is your point that they deserved to die because they were weak?

Presumably, those same people had those comorbidities when the year began. And when 2019 began. And other people --- but the same number, generally speaking ---- had comorbidities when 2015 began. And yet, in 2020, a hoax convinced a whole lot more of them to die. And convinced the mayor of Waco to tell us that his morgues are overflowing, to the point that FEMA is sending in a morgue trailer.

My sister has both asthma and high blood pressure. She's 57. She's had asthma all her life and high blood pressure for at least the last 20 years. But she manages them and, unless her body gets invaded by a virus that turns her lungs into "scraps of scar tissue loosely hung together and no longer involved in respiration," she'll probably live another 25 years, as did my mother, who also had high blood pressure and asthma.

Look, I get it. Nobody you love is overweight, has asthma etc... And you view this as just nature doing its thing, culling the weak. Whereas I have quite a few loved ones who are old, have a comorbidity etc... I'd rather not see them die in a way that has been described as slow-motion drowning. Especially since, as we know, that slow-motion drowning is a hoax.

 

[Hornius Emeritus]

It’s simply a super flu that culls off the weak, old, immune compromised, nothing more. Continue to hide under your bed with your mask on, I’ll continue to make fun of you

No it isn't. Influenza is a respiratory disease. If you don't die from it, you recover. Covid, while having respiratory impacts, is also a vascular disease and has many repercussions that influenza doesn't have, including creating millions of tiny blood clots that, among other things, lead to strokes. And long Covid symptoms. And turning your lungs into ""scraps of scar tissue loosely hung together and no longer involved in respiration." And causing the mayor of Waco to go to a news conference and say that his health system is on the verge of collapse and that his morgues are overflowing.

Covid is a vascular disease

 

[clob94]

Ah, the "comorbidities" canard again. As if it's relevant to the discussion we were having. Totally relevant. If you're sick or old, keep your ass at home. Us healthy folks will gladly pick up the slack for the greater economic good..Or is your point that they deserved to die because they were weak? Try harder to make me sound mean. Darwin came up with it, not I.

Presumably, those same people had those comorbidities when the year began. Some did,, some developed them during the timeline of covid. And when 2019 began. And other people --- but the same number, generally speaking ---- had comorbidities when 2015 began. And yet, in 2020, a hoax convinced a whole lot more of them to die. No, this is a distortion of the truth. Covid sped them up toward the cliff they were already headed for. And convinced the mayor of Waco to tell us that his morgues are overflowing, to the point that FEMA is sending in a morgue trailer. The mayor of Waco is doing what Mayor's do- trying to get free federal relief money. The hospitals are full argument is another half truth. The hospitals have (usually) plenty of beds. The problem is there's no nurses to monitor the beds. Nurses have been staying home more and more.

My sister has both asthma and high blood pressure. She's 57. She's had asthma all her life and high blood pressure for at least the last 20 years. But she manages them and, unless her body gets invaded by a virus that turns her lungs into "scraps of scar tissue loosely hung together and no longer involved in respiration," she'll probably live another 25 years, as did my mother, who also had high blood pressure and asthma. I have asthma. Chronic. Been hospitalized on multiple occasions. I Chose and am still choosing to not be afraid.

Look, I get it. Nobody you love is overweight, has asthma Again, I have asthma. I'm just choosing not to be a scared little vagina. etc... And you view this as just nature doing its thing, culling the weak. Darwin would agree. His theory, not mine. Whereas I have quite a few loved ones who are old, have a comorbidity etc..Common sense solution would be the quarantine them, and all others that are sick, old, weak, and let the rest of us healthy folks keep the world spinning and developed herd immunity. But there's no money in that solution.. I'd rather not see them die in a way that has been described as slow-motion drowning. Especially since, as we know, that slow-motion drowning is a hoax. This is you crying out for attention. Covid is no hoax. No more a hoax than any other disease. The response to covid, however, has been a sham.

Unroll above to see my responses in bold.

 

[HarryBuffalo]

No it isn't. Influenza is a respiratory disease. If you don't die from it, you recover. Covid, while having respiratory impacts, is also a vascular disease and has many repercussions that influenza doesn't have, including creating millions of tiny blood clots that, among other things, lead to strokes. And long Covid symptoms. And turning your lungs into ""scraps of scar tissue loosely hung together and no longer involved in respiration." And causing the mayor of Waco to go to a news conference and say that his health system is on the verge of collapse and that his morgues are overflowing.

Covid is a vascular disease

What’s with you and the Mayor of Waco? You do bring him up a lot.

 

[JasperNewton7]

What’s with you and the Mayor of Waco? You do bring him up a lot.

I was thinking this exact thing 😂

 

[HarryBuffalo]

I was thinking this exact thing 😂

Perhaps Dan IS the Mayor of Waco… 🤔

 

[Drtxhorn]

If you really believe

LOL: your article is dated 11/26/2020. According to Genevieve Briand, who did the research cited in the article (with numbers from the CDC), she compared data from mid-March, 2020 -mid September 2020:

https://web.archive.org/web/2020112...1/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19


And provisional does not mean it is "just a guess," as the CDC explains.

The AMA article that I linked got its data from the CDC. Here's what the CDC says:

Summary:

What is already known about this topic?

The COVID-19 pandemic caused approximately 375,000 deaths in the United States during 2020.

What is added by this report?

The age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9% in 2020. Overall death rates were highest among non-Hispanic Black persons and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death, and the COVID-19 death rate was highest among start highlightnon-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native persons.

What are the implications for public health practice?

Provisional death estimates provide an early indication of shifts in mortality trends. Timely and actionable data can guide public health policies and interventions for populations experiencing higher numbers of deaths that are directly or indirectly associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

CDC’s National Vital Statistics System (NVSS) collects and reports annual mortality statistics using data from U.S. death certificates. Because of the time needed to investigate certain causes of death and to process and review data, final annual mortality data for a given year are typically released 11 months after the end of the calendar year. Daily totals reported by CDC COVID-19 case surveillance are timely but can underestimate numbers of deaths because of incomplete or delayed reporting. As a result of improvements in timeliness and the pressing need for updated, quality data during the global COVID-19 pandemic, NVSS expanded provisional data releases to produce near real-time U.S. mortality data.* This report presents an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020, including the first ranking of leading causes of death. In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population.


https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

Provisional does not mean that it is "just a guess" as you claim. It means that it is subject to change as more data comes in. And it may change .. a little. There could be fewer deaths or there could be more, but the final number of deaths is going to be very, very close to what the CDC has already published and what Ahmad and Anderson wrote. We will have the CDC's final numbers in November.

Incidentally, the "independent" Johns Hopkins says that, as of August 28, 638,720 people have died of Coronavirus in the United States:

https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

Finally, while the article that I linked was published by the AMA, the two authors of the article do not work for the AMA. Rather, they are Farida B. Ahmad of the National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in and Robert Anderson, National Center for Health Statistics, Mortality Statistics Branch, Division of Vital Statistics, Hyattsville, Maryland.

I just emailed Farida Ahmad and asked him how close the final numbers will be for overall deaths in the United States in 2020 will be to what he published in March. I'll post his response.

The information in your report, all of it, is based on what’s reported on death certificates. So yes, comorbidities and financial incentives from hospitals and municipalities make these numbers 100% unreliable. Your dear authors are assuming the information is reported accurately, which it isn’t. For example, if someone arrives into a hospital with stage 4 cancer and a knife through the heart but tests positive for Covid, guess what…their death certificate will include Covid as one of the causes of death. This is why all these numbers you like to throw around are fvcked up. Legitimate studies like John’s Hopkins only rely on data in which Covid was the sole and only reason for death.

You go ahead and do you. Be afraid. Very afraid. This entire message board is a hundred times dumber because of your nonsense.

 

[clob94]

Ah, the "comorbidities" canard---- I ordered no duck.

 

[Drtxhorn]

One more thing, all other causes of death for Flu, heart attack, car accidents, etc are reported on death certificates as the sole proximate cause of death. For Covid, that practice was adjusted to include other factors which “may” have contributed to someone’s death. Reason is simple… government funding and insurance reimbursements. However, look for this to start changing now that insurance companies are no longer waiving deductible and copayments. Now that people have to start paying out of pocket they will stop going straight to the hospital or their doctor for simple flu like symptoms. Now we should begin seeing only people who are legitimately suffering from Covid in hospitals and doctors offices. When you eliminate the free aspect of anything, the demand for that product or service will decline. Simple economics.

 

[JDCPAgolferHorn]

Perhaps Dan IS the Mayor of Waco… 🤔

Raising the fear level in advance of lockdowns. Straight out of the playbook.

 

[Belldozer1]

If you really believe

The information in your report, all of it, is based on what’s reported on death certificates. So yes, comorbidities and financial incentives from hospitals and municipalities make these numbers 100% unreliable. Your dear authors are assuming the information is reported accurately, which it isn’t. For example, if someone arrives into a hospital with stage 4 cancer and a knife through the heart but tests positive for Covid, guess what…their death certificate will include Covid as one of the causes of death. This is why all these numbers you like to throw around are fvcked up. Legitimate studies like John’s Hopkins only rely on data in which Covid was the sole and only reason for death.

You go ahead and do you. Be afraid. Very afraid. This entire message board is a hundred times dumber because of your nonsense.

Exactly, dang, it's really not hard to understand and it certainly doesn't constitute the need for overbearing governmental control in the form of mandatory masking and shutdowns. However I have no problem with folks that are concerned for their heath wearing masks, whatever makes them feel comfortable

 

[Belldozer1]

Ah, the "comorbidities" canard again. As if it's relevant to the discussion we were having. Or is your point that they deserved to die because they were weak?

Presumably, those same people had those comorbidities when the year began. And when 2019 began. And other people --- but the same number, generally speaking ---- had comorbidities when 2015 began. And yet, in 2020, a hoax convinced a whole lot more of them to die. And convinced the mayor of Waco to tell us that his morgues are overflowing, to the point that FEMA is sending in a morgue trailer.

My sister has both asthma and high blood pressure. She's 57. She's had asthma all her life and high blood pressure for at least the last 20 years. But she manages them and, unless her body gets invaded by a virus that turns her lungs into "scraps of scar tissue loosely hung together and no longer involved in respiration," she'll probably live another 25 years, as did my mother, who also had high blood pressure and asthma.

Look, I get it. Nobody you love is overweight, has asthma etc... And you view this as just nature doing its thing, culling the weak. Whereas I have quite a few loved ones who are old, have a comorbidity etc... I'd rather not see them die in a way that has been described as slow-motion drowning. Especially since, as we know, that slow-motion drowning is a hoax.

Unfortunately none of us are really able to choose how we die unless you commit suicide. The fact is we're all going to die at some point and this covid flu is just another issue we all have to deal with. As stated previously my mom died of pneumonia at 32, basically drowned to death as have thousands upon thousands of other folks but I've never once expected anyone to mask up and alter their lives because of it. The people who feel they are in jeopardy are the ones that should be altering their lifestyle not the other way around. You do you.

 

[Belldozer1]

No it isn't. Influenza is a respiratory disease. If you don't die from it, you recover. Covid, while having respiratory impacts, is also a vascular disease and has many repercussions that influenza doesn't have, including creating millions of tiny blood clots that, among other things, lead to strokes. And long Covid symptoms. And turning your lungs into ""scraps of scar tissue loosely hung together and no longer involved in respiration." And causing the mayor of Waco to go to a news conference and say that his health system is on the verge of collapse and that his morgues are overflowing.

Covid is a vascular disease

If it's as bad as you claim then you and @danhorn must be livid that Dipshit Joe has done nothing to hold China accountable.

 

[westx]

I was hoping this point would have been added. The ivermectin example danced around it but, didn’t fully lay out the real issue. So, let’s pretend that the manipulated Covid deaths are accurate for a minute and provides the justification for the shutdowns and vaccine mandates. Then, let’s pretend that the CDC/AMA and the political arm came out and advised/mandated that treatment is now withheld for any patient with cardiovascular disease, diabetes or you name it. These are not communicable diseases, but if you need something that is contagious then insert Aids, other STDs, or tuberculosis. Treatment is to be withheld until a vaccine is developed (no more heart medicine, no more diabetes medicine...). Anybody care to estimate the death count? This is obviously silly due to millions of needless deaths awaiting a vaccine when there is existing treatment available.

Problems

1. Why manipulate peoples immune system with a vaccine with limited knowledge about short and longterm adverse reaction profile. These are starting to manifest with more to come.
2. Why were millions of people with Covid symptoms turned away from doctor’s offices and hospitals when they were in the early manageable stages of the infection. They were either not seen at all, or seen and told to go home, quarantine, rest, drink fluids, and go to the hospital if they get worse and cannot breath. This practice only resulted in deterioration. Finally, at this worsened stage the hospitals took them in even though the prognosis was poor at that point.
3. Why did the political machine and media politicize the AMA/CDC to come out against safe and cheap early treatment and instill fear about HCQ/Zinc. Unfortunately, the mass minions blindly believe and trust these institutions and allowed their elderly parent (in spite of comorbid conditions) to be led to a premature death bed. Most could have been saved and prevented from a long costly hospital stay where loved ones were even prevented from being at their bedside. I am not a believer in azithromycin for covid in the early stages. I think it is best reserved for a patient presenting with symptoms of a secondary pneumonia type infection. I have dispelled the wrongful conclusions and faulty study designs involving HCQ/Zinc on this forum many months ago. Ivermectin has also shown to be effective, but not as sole treatment, but in combination with HCQ/Zinc. My main point in all of this is that there is and has been treatment available for covid if given early enough. Deaths of even the most fragile would be alive if this would have been implemented.

Remember the issue here is the reporting of excess deaths and what we were supposed to do before the vaccine was available. Even doctors that wanted to prescribe HCQ didn’t do it because they were afraid of lawsuits because the AMA/CDC came out against it. The grotesque irony is that many were using it for their friends and family where there was no risk of lawsuit or admonishment from the AMA or media and thereby affecting their reputation. The doctors of Frontline Doctors were brave enough to care about patient lives first and not worry about what the powers that be’s attempts to damage their reputation and credibility.

 

[LAY THE WOODY]

Twitter is now deciding what information you're allowed to hear. I don't do social media, never have. I knew from day 1.

Twitter permanently suspends Alex Berenson over coronavirus tweets

Twitter has permanently suspended former New York Times journalist and author Alex Berenson, a critic of coronavirus lockdowns and mandates, from its platform.

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[clob94]

Twitter is now deciding what information you're allowed to hear. I don't do social media, never have. I knew from day 1.

Twitter permanently suspends Alex Berenson over coronavirus tweets

Twitter has permanently suspended former New York Times journalist and author Alex Berenson, a critic of coronavirus lockdowns and mandates, from its platform.

www.foxbusiness.com

I've already told you how to make this all stop. All of it.