I think Texas is out of the big 12, and I think it's very possible they try to get out sooner than the tv deal. I'm sure some good lawyers will find away
Big 12 expansion..Big 14??
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Exactly. To topdecktiger's question, I suspect that's why. There was no penalty for going along with the plan that wasn't going to work. No cost. Possible gain in playing nice. I'm speculating here, of course. Who on a message board really knows?
Probably only the Texas school, for political reasons, with the knowledge that UH can't get 8 votes.
From what I can see, I think UH would get a definite 2 votes (UT&TT). I think Cincy, BYU & UCF would get more votes than UH.
Great news. Amazing that it took so long for the luminaries in the Big 12 office and other schools to see how stupid this idea was to begin with. But I'm sure the failure of this moronic plan to add welfare-case mid-majors with minuscule fan bases will be blamed on us, regardless.
I'm not sure there was ever any intent beyond getting lots of media exposure over the off season.
BYU deserves to be in the Big 12
To Hell with the LGBT community, it's not like they are getting lynched in Utah.
I had a friend who attended BYU and was kicked out for drinking alcohol. Granted it was like his 5th time getting caught but he never got to finish.
For them to cray about unfair, is a joke. You go to that school you agree to live by a standard. You choose to break the rules then you get kicked out.
BYU brings TV sets, the SLC market and they actually have a nice stadium. Not to mention one of the most beautiful states in the Lower 48.
To Hell with the LGBT community, it's not like they are getting lynched in Utah.
I had a friend who attended BYU and was kicked out for drinking alcohol. Granted it was like his 5th time getting caught but he never got to finish.
For them to cray about unfair, is a joke. You go to that school you agree to live by a standard. You choose to break the rules then you get kicked out.
BYU brings TV sets, the SLC market and they actually have a nice stadium. Not to mention one of the most beautiful states in the Lower 48.
If the Big12 wants to be proactive, how about enticing the AZ schools, Utah and Co. Also add Cincy and UCF to become a 16 team conference. 8 team divisions with the west having AZ, ASU, CU, UTAH, TT, ISU, KU & KSU. The east would be UT, BU, TCU, OK, OSU, WV, CINCY & UCF. We know that wouldn't happen but the Big12 have to do something epic in regards to realignment. The PAC is the only conference right now that's not stable.
I would stop at the AZ schools, Utah and Co. But that would require proactivity, and we have Boob Bowlsby in charge.
No major conference realignment is going to happen until the GOR rights comes up. One thing thing that no one has been talking about is our TV partners. Apparently they weren't too happy at shelling out 30 million a year to broadcast the games of the schools that were being considered for expansion. Right now the only thing that would make any sense is BYU as a football only member with a pay out in the 8-12 million range. There isn't another member that the TV people like.
The other thing is that no matter what ESPN owns Texas Tier 3 rights until 2031. If Texas leaves the Big 12, the school must keep the terms of the present agreement, provide ESPN an exclusive 60-day window to negotiate for the other rights and allow ESPN a 48-hour window to match any offer.That means if we decided to leave the Big 12 before 2031 the only spots for us are the ACC and SEC because ESPN already owns those conference Tier 3 rights.
The other thing is that no matter what ESPN owns Texas Tier 3 rights until 2031. If Texas leaves the Big 12, the school must keep the terms of the present agreement, provide ESPN an exclusive 60-day window to negotiate for the other rights and allow ESPN a 48-hour window to match any offer.That means if we decided to leave the Big 12 before 2031 the only spots for us are the ACC and SEC because ESPN already owns those conference Tier 3 rights.
If this has been said,Boren with OU does not want Houston because it can cut into their recruiting base in the Houston area.Some of OU greatest players are from the Houston area,Joe Washington and Spencer Tillman come to mind. I think if Houston is in Big 12 Top kids would choose Houston,Texas,A&M from that area and the Hell with OU.
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Big 12 GOR ends in 24/25 but our deal with the LHN doesn't end until 31. B1G wont take us for 7 years without our Tier three rights for 7 years.
Doesn't change the fact that ESPN owns the Tier 3 rights until 2031 and if we leave the Big 12 they have a right to negotiate for other rights (Tier 1 and 2) and match any offer we get.
I haven't heard nothing about this but the PAC has to be proactive because the west coast doesn't have great available options. There only move would be to go east into Texas. They have to do something because the AZ and LA schools are not pleased with therected current TV contract. If they did dip into Texas and say take UH and say NM. The Pac would have a portion of the Houston market to go along with the Albuquerque area. Now the PAC tv network would expand big especially if the get into Houston
IMO, UNM provides very little market value. It isn't a legitimate P5 school, but, it is the main state school and has very good fan support (at least in basketball). So where Houston may be a bigger market, it has a historical problem with butts in the seats as well. Fan attendance should be a big factor in selecting the right member. I don't see the Pac12 doing that. I would recommend to drop oregon state and washington state and keep the arizona schools if I were the PAC12. That would be addition by subtraction. However, that would never happen because I think osu/wsu were founding members of the PAC.
Texas destroyed the Big XII pushed Texas A$M out the door with the LGN. Nebraska flew the coup when Texas was conspiring to leave. Texas then decided to stay. The Big XII problem is Texas. Oklahoma is trying their best to save this thing.
Texas like most schools, looks out for their best interest. They didn't run Aggy off, Aggy mad a 100 year decision, don't you know? Nebraska ran away in hopes of a better life. The schools all voted on the makings of the conference brah.
OU want's out, don't kid yourself.
I sure hope so. Let's set this conference on fire and be done with it.
You're right, we should just leave. The Big 12 would be a much better place without Texas.
I understand that Texas and Oklahoma are true blue blood programs, but I wonder if the BIG12 will ever make a difference in recruiting. I believe the BIG12 is weak, but not as weak as it is perceived. Better than the ACC if you take away the big 3, PAC12 is also not much better with USC and Oregon down.
It will be really interesting to see if kids only care about their school or if competition is really that big a deal at all going forward. Ohio State recruited lights out even when the BIG10 was pathetic. Old SWC recruiting got really bad at the end, so it could go either way I guess.
It will be really interesting to see if kids only care about their school or if competition is really that big a deal at all going forward. Ohio State recruited lights out even when the BIG10 was pathetic. Old SWC recruiting got really bad at the end, so it could go either way I guess.
