Big 12 going the way of the SWC?

[oldschoolcat]

The problem we have is that words mean things. The top 7% of earners in this country make $150,000. That's two earners at $75,000. Not most folks definition of "rich".

The issue is that those people are already paying their fair share. When you raise taxes on the "rich"....you are hitting wage earners and not people who take investment and cap gains income. The truly wealthy don't pay income taxes.

 

[swVAHorn]

In the right instances you can make more money as a fireman without a degree than most Degreed professions out there. I am in the upper 80's now as a Officer without a degree while my wife who has her Doctorate in education makes upper 70's as a principal and I have never met anybody that thought being a fireman was a failure, even when I was a federal police officer.

Good jobs I agree. I was just using those to show that not all people have the ability to get rich from just copying the wealthy.
My wife and I make a decent living. we are not rich but not poor.

 

[swVAHorn]

The problem we have is that words mean things. The top 5% of earners in this country make $150,000. That's two earners at $75,000. Not most folks definition of "rich".

The issue is that those people are already paying their fair share. When you raise taxes on the "rich"....you are hitting wage earners and not people who take investment and cap gains income. The truly wealthy don't pay income taxes.

top 5 should be 154,643.00 the 1% earn over double that. I am not saying to tax or not to tax or anything else. I don't know. I just know the gap is bigger now than ever before and it can't maintain.

 

[bubba2023]

Oh that is the problem? Just don't buy phones, computers, tvs and other toys then the wealth gap will shrink? Cool. That is easy. I think the gap should be smaller and if you don't then ok. We agree to disagree and I am done.

If teachers are poor with an average salary of 50k in Texas, then they are spending their money on some very stupid things.

 

[oldschoolcat]

top 5 should be 154,643.00

I fixed it. But the point is still the same.

Warren Buffet is immune to "raising taxes on the rich". And the "evil rich" are probably your neighbors who drive a Toyota and a Ford pickup.

 

[Scholz]

And the "evil rich" are probably your neighbors who drive a Toyota and a Ford pickup.

No. They're not.

 

[swVAHorn]

If teachers are poor with an average salary of 50k in Texas, then they are spending their money on some very stupid things.

Would you point out where I said "blank amount" is poor? or anything like that? I hate when people say I said something I did not say. I simply said The gap between the top1 and bottom 99 is too big and it is getting bigger...and needs to close up some. That is it. I am not saying who is poor or rich or anything like that.

 

[oldschoolcat]

No. They're not.

What would be your cutoff for the filthy rich that benefit from the Republican policies?

 

[diadevic]

I read a biography on Joe Kennedy once. He was asked why he supported the New Deal, social security, etc. And he said that we needed a safety net. Why? Because if the masses didn't have a livable amount of money, then they would raid his house and take his wealth! I didn't write this to start a war! I just always thought it was funny that the Kennedy family gets credit for fighting for the masses (and I am not questioning the 2nd generation motives), but the old man was fighting for himself!

 

[oldschoolcat]

I read a biography on Joe Kennedy once. He was asked why he supported the New Deal, social security, etc. And he said that we needed a safety net. Why? Because if the masses didn't have a livable amount of money, then they would raid his house and take his wealth! I didn't write this to start a war! I just always thought it was funny that the Kennedy family gets credit for fighting for the masses (and I am not questioning the 2nd generation motives), but the old man was fighting for himself!

This is one theory why the uber rich are always for the most liberal welfare policies. It's good PR.

 

[swVAHorn]

What would be your cutoff for the filthy rich that benefit from the Republican policies?

I am not getting into that nonsense. I have made my position known. Mine. Not what some frigging party tells me to think.

And it is not just about money.......it is what money can provide to those that have a lot of it.......POWER.

 

[madcow12]

Good jobs I agree. I was just using those to show that not all people have the ability to get rich from just copying the wealthy.
My wife and I make a decent living. we are not rich but not poor.

Agree.... and most people that try to copy the wealthy people end up filing bankruptcy within a couple years and their schemes usually bankrupt friends and family around them. I would bet there are a 100X more failure stories than success. That is why those that take that chance and succeed should not get destroyed by the government with taxes because they were successful.

 

[Scholz]

What would be your cutoff for the filthy rich that benefit from the Republican policies?

Actual reality. The top 1% is a household making roughly $400K. The top 1/10th of the top 1% is making $1M per year. 400 of those folks own as much as the bottom half of the country. Yes, they can afford to pay a more appropriate share.

Dude, you've already admitted you have no idea what you're talking about in this discussion. You're not informed about how republican policies have driven state budgets in KS and WI into the ground and your statements about what rich means use words like "probably". You're voting on emotion and what you think is going on, not facts.

 

[oldschoolcat]

Actual reality. The top 1% is a household making roughly $400K. The top 1/10th of the top 1% is making $1M per year. 400 of those folks own as much as the bottom half of the country. Yes, they can afford to pay a more appropriate share.

Dude, you've already admitted you have no idea what you're talking about in this discussion. You're not informed about how republican policies have driven state budgets in KS and WI into the ground and your statements about what rich means use words like "probably". You're voting on emotion and what you think is going on, not facts.

I admitted I don't pay attention to the details of state economics in Kansas and Wisconsin. You got me there.

But I also know that the people in the top 1/10th don't pay income taxes. And those that are bearing the brunt of your utopian social policy aren't always the jet setters you like to think they are.

But you're smart enough to know what you're doing. And you know that the two earner household is hit far worse than the Mark Cuban's of the world. And you don't care.....as long as your side wins. And that's pretty sh!tty.....

 

[swVAHorn]

Actual reality. The top 1% is a household making roughly $400K. The top 1/10th of the top 1% is making $1M per year. 400 of those folks own as much as the bottom half of the country. Yes, they can afford to pay a more appropriate share.

Dude, you've already admitted you have no idea what you're talking about in this discussion. You're not informed about how republican policies have driven state budgets in KS and WI into the ground and your statements about what rich means use words like "probably". You're voting on emotion and what you think is going on, not facts.

I don't have all the answers but I do know that from what I have read about wealth inequality that it is bad for everyone over time including the ultra wealthy. They should want it to be better than it is. I don't know how to fix it but it needs to be addressed in some way. People talking about "punishing" the wealthy have got to be joking. The wealthy have most of the money and nearly all the power. How are they being punished? Would love to hear this.

 

[Scholz]

And you don't care.....as long as your side wins. And that's pretty sh!tty.....

Wrong, a-hole. That's you. republican policy makers couldn't care less about the good of the country, just staying in power and manipulating ignoramouses like you who vote on fear and emotion and racism. But you need your country back, amirite?

If you care about not being ignorant of policy discussion all your life, do some reading. Start with the economies of Wisconsin (republican policies) vs Minnesota (Democratic policies). Wisconsin is suffering while Minnesota is thriving.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/purple-wisconsin/280089862.html

 

[oldschoolcat]

I don't have all the answers but I do know that from what I have read about wealth inequality that it is bad for everyone over time including the ultra wealthy. They should want it to be better than it is. I don't know how to fix it but it needs to be addressed in some way. People talking about "punishing" the wealthy have got to be joking. The wealthy have most of the money and nearly all the power. How are they being punished? Would love to hear this.

That's the point. They aren't being punished.

But the firefighter and the teacher making $100K down the street are funding your redistribution plan. While the Soros types skate.

But that's assuming that wealth inequality is a thing. You could take every single dollar in this country and put it in a bucket and evenly distribute amongst the citizens. The money would settle right back into the places it was before.

 

[oldschoolcat]

Wrong, a-hole. That's you. republican policy makers couldn't care less about the good of the country, just staying in power and manipulating ignoramouses like you who vote on fear and emotion and racism. But you need your country back, amirite?

Funny....a progressive is accusing someone else of emotion and racism. That's good bull right there.

And for the record, I lean far more libertarian than I do to the right. But I think my tax dollars are wasted as it is, and any calls for more programs to fix the effects of the previous programs are going to be opposed. And you are absolutely wrong. The political class in both parties has caused this.

 

[oldschoolcat]

By the way....I want to thank all of you for the spirited debate before Daddy comes home and pulls out the belt.

 

[mm42]

Better life choices?? Do you not realize that if every single person in our country got a college degree that we would still need...soldiers, cops, firemen, teachers, carpenters,and on and on and on. There will always be rich and poor. The object should be to get as many in the middle as you can. Not everyone can be rich no matter how hard they work or how much they want to be.

Bad life choices explain a lot. If you want to be poor try the following: have children out of wedlock (the earlier the better and the more the better), pick up a substance abuse habit, drop out of high school, make sure and commit a felony, don't build up any work history. There are other great ideas for the aspiring poor, but these are a great start.

Don't do any of these things and you will likely be middle class (whatever middle class means).

 

[swVAHorn]

That's the point. They aren't being punished.

But the firefighter and the teacher making $100K down the street are funding your redistribution plan. While the Soros types skate.

But that's assuming that wealth inequality is a thing. You could take every single dollar in this country and put it in a bucket and evenly distribute amongst the citizens. The money would settle right back into the places it was before.

My redistribution plan?? Are you retarded or just play one on the internet? I never said a damn thing about any of that BS.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Looks like those thin-skinned pus*ies deleted whatever you wrote before I could read it. Probably banned you too. LMAO, what a pathetic bunch of bitter little b*tches.

Lol. Yep, I'm banned. Poor cornholers.