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Uh, it seems like the Charlie Strong Choo Choo train derailed a couple of OC's back? The good new is, Bwilk55, for teams like OU and Texas with the basic talent they both pull in every year both teams should be good for AT LEAST 7 or 8 wins a year with decent coaching. So, with the new OC bringing new ideas and the D getting a few more stops it's not hard to fathom a better Texas team this year. I like the young qb Buechele (sp?) And I think you would agree it's a major year for Coach Strong to show major improvements in the 8+ win category. Wouldn't you agree. BTW, I like that "Charlie Strong Choo Choo Train" it's kind of catchy, I may borrow that if you don't mind.

Watson at OC was a mistake, no one is arguing that. It was a reasonable hire considering the success at Louisville.

This thread's topic was based on the fact (or opinion I should say - Thanks NDFarley) that Texas did not have basic talent at OL. Due to injuries, lack of talent despite high recruiting rankings or behavioral issues there wasn't much to work with. This was the case at other important positions as well (QB for example).

Strong still lacks a top to bottom talented roster. The Freshman and Sophomore classes are solid. A handful of upperclassmen have really stepped up and will provide leadership and fill some important roles on the field. This should be an 8+ win season, I agree but the Choo Choo train is still gaining steam and most here expect the big jump to be next year (with the following year being the first time this team has legit talent in all 4 classes).

BTW the choo choo train is not my own creation, it comes from Chuck F'n Strong twitter. Feel free to us it.
 
a head coach has to be able to assemble a quality cohesive team of coaches. Charlie has failed miserably in that regard. Maybe the 3rd try is the charm? The confidence you show in him is toataly unfounded at this time. Butch Davis expresses it better than me. He says " I don't want a team that plays with emotion, that's a team on a roller coaster. I want my teams to play with passion. Texas was on a roller coaster last year. This year may be different if you're that confident in Charlie, power to you.
 
http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/is-there-an-internal-struggle-to-oust-charlie-strong/

The struggle is real... and his hands were tied by his AD http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...-chad-morris-tom-herman-offensive-coordinator Watson was a fall back and it failed, but...it wouldn't have been much better with the young minds at the time.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-dai...rlie-strong-with-nothing-and-heres-the-proof/

Jeff Howe: November 23, 2015

I didn't read the article, but I don't think I need to knowing what I know. I won't deny that Steve Patterson didn't support his head football coach the way the athletic director at Texas should, but I think Mike Perrin has worked his damnedest to make sure that some of these issues aren't issues anymore and haven't been. On top of that, Arthur Johnson has been in Charlie's corner and is the guy who Charlie has been able to go to at the administrative level.

With all of that said, at some point it's not the fault of Steve Patterson, Mack Brown or anyone else who folks want to blame for Texas' shortcomings. At some point the current regime is going to have to get it done and Strong hasn't done himself many favors based on the decisions he's made.

Yes, this was a bigger rebuild than anyone thought. Yes, Texas does lack the kind of talent throughout the roster most would expect. But at the end of the day the money folks and those with a voice aren't going to tolerate another season in 2016 that looks anything remotely resembling the previous two, nor should they.

The offensive coordinator situation was a mess from the start, but Strong wanted to hire Tom Herman and got close enough at one point to where I thought it was going to happen. But Strong either settled for Watson, panicked and didn't think he could get anyone else he really wanted, or simply put all of his trust in a guy who ultimately fell well short success when leading the offense.

That's one of several decisions Strong hasn't handled properly. He's going to go into his third year likely having gotten rid of every member of his original offensive staff, which is never a good thing.

The administration is going to give him a chance to make it right this offseason. It's on Strong now to make the right hires to make this thing work.

Howe sorta new what he was talking about.... Strong didn't panic, he was limited on expenditures. See below, this is some of the BS he had to deal with when it cam to Steve:

"One of the things that pissed off Strong the most was Patterson and chief revenue officer Steve Hank's attempt to cut the coat, tie and fitted dress shirt and pants for the players to wear when traveling and on game days - when it's time for business. The cost is roughly $20,000, I was told, and Patterson/Hank said the players could wear their Nike sweats.
Patterson/Hank used senior executive associate AD Arthur Johnson as the intermediary on this, and I'm told Charlie told Arthur there was no way he would agree to cutting the coat and tie attire for the players.
Strong feels it's important to dress for business and also knows some of the kids have never owned a coat and tie before (and that they needed to understand there were times you needed to get dressed up to conduct business).
So Patterson/Hank countered (through Johnson) that UT would only provide the fitted attire for new players and that the rest of the team could wear the attire they received previously. Strong replied that the players' bodies were changing/developing and that each player would need to be fitted each school year.
Then, Strong finally relayed to Patterson/Hank that if he - himself - had to pay for the coat and tie attire for the team out of his own pocket, that's what he'd do. Patterson/Hank relented."
 
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That's called coaching them up Cinderella. Geez. The talent was there. Good grief

Even if Texas didn't "coach up" players, if there was talent players would have been drafted. Players are drafted off projection more than anything these days.

A great example of this is Ifedi for the aggys. There were numerous reports that he had no technique and that he received terrible coaching. Ifedi was still drafted in the first round.

If you have talent NFL teams will draft you. Regardless of coaching or not.
 
Oldhorn, your posts are usually well thought out and fact filled. This, however, is not one of those posts. Bomb is a kool aid guzzling excuse maker and I will debunk this myth of no talent left by Mack of his, as I have done in the past. You posting his work is perpetuating his propaganda machine of myth and lies.

Feel free to post any evidence that proves otherwise. All I see you doing is attacking me and not my actual argument, but that's par for the course with you.

I don't even post on this site anymore and I'm still so far in your head that you are attacking me and not actually engaging in a discussion.
 
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Feel free to post any evidence that proves otherwise. All I see you doing is attacking me and not my actual argument, but that's par for the course with you.

I don't even post on this site anymore and I'm still so far in your head that you are attacking me and not actually engaging in an actual discussion.
Haha well looky here I am glad you could check back in and realize that another of your fairytales has been debunked.......Good grief dude, the excuses have to end at some point and I have a feeling this is the magic year. Either Charlie get things going with his 3rd OC or the experiment is over in my opinion. You're a legend in your own mind=)roll
 
Dozer...you keep saying you debunked the arguement, but you must have missed the point. You debunked nothing. The whole point was that there was no DECENT player on the Oline other than Perkins....It does not matter or even figure into the argument how highly ranked the guys were....not a damned one of them went on to contribute anything anywhere, ....total fail
 
Haha well looky here I am glad you could check back in and realize that another of your fairytales has been debunked.......Good grief dude, the excuses have to end at some point and I have a feeling this is the magic year. Either Charlie get things going with his 3rd OC or the experiment is over in my opinion. You're a legend in your own mind=)roll

Do you make actual arguments or just ramble with stuff like "another of your fairytales"?

The original post lays out the facts and you haven't even remotely engaged it. Again, not surprising with you.

I'm not going to derail the thread anymore for those that actually want to engage the OP. I'm sure my name will continue to be in your mouth even though I don't post here anymore. It's pretty funny to me really.
 
Dozer...you keep saying you debunked the arguement, but you must have missed the point. You debunked nothing. The whole point was that there was no DECENT player on the Oline other than Perkins....It does not matter or even figure into the argument how highly ranked the guys were....not a damned one of them went on to contribute anything anywhere, ....total fail
Again How is that on Mack? He certainly offered and brought in recruits that were highly coveted by other bigtime schools. A simple review of the offer list will confirm. Were the other schools wrong too? How they turned out is not Mack's problem. How can it be if he's gone? With all due respect oldhorn, mixing Viagra and orange koolaid are apparently effecting your basic reasoning skills.:D
 
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Dozer.....we apparently are talking past each other.We are discussing completely different things. I will type slower...The OP was not blaming Mack,,,,The whole point was that of all the olinemen,,,only one was a player. I wont be discussing this again....because you have no idea what I am talking about.
 
Dozer.....we apparently are talking past each other.We are discussing completely different things. I will type slower...The OP was not blaming Mack,,,,The whole point was that of all the olinemen,,,only one was a player. I wont be discussing this again....because you have no idea what I am talking about.
Oh no I fully understand where you and Bomb are coming from and my breakdown on the first page fully debunked that. You cannot expect Mack to look 4 years down the road in a crystal ball to see how players turn out before he recruits them. According to the experts and other schools, evidenced by these kids resumes and accolades AND the fact that they were courted by otger big time schools tells me what I need to know about their talent. Also you cannot expect Mack to have left Charlie a sophomore OT who plays like a 5th year senior. Sorry, Mack cannot develop players if he's not here. The fact that Bomb is conjuring up this thread to try to explain away the last 2 years at this point is quite comical really. We will have to agree to disagree on this debate.
 
According to the experts and other schools, evidenced by these kids resumes and accolades AND the fact that they were courted by otger big time schools tells me what I need to know about their talent.

Recruiting rankings are hit and miss, so not sure what your point is. Not a single OL that Mack left has even made a NFL roster (not even as an undrafted free agent). That's all you need to know about talent level.

Your "coaching up" argument is also ridiculous since Strong's first recruiting class had 2 freshman All American offensive lineman (Vahe and Williams). Amazing what happens when Strong has a little talent to work with huh?

Only an idiot would think that Strong was left with talent on the offensive line. The facts are the facts. 2 of the more "talented" OL that Strong had to run off couldn't even consistently start at South Alabama and Sam Houston State. But hey, all that talent.
 
Doozer, you didn't debunk a damn thing. Actual snaps at the D1 level and the fact none of them have contributed elsewhere completely trump their HS evaluations.

The FACT this staff had 2 freshmen ALL AMERICANS at LT and LG that they recruited, debunks your theory that they can't coach.
Who was their coach and where is he now? Sounds like you're questioning Charlie's coaching moves? Apparently Charlie agrees that it was a coaching issue. Go argue with him.
 
LMAO, you're everywhere. Based on your assesements.... They're simply talented.

I mean, the same coaches couldn't coach up Browns leftovers per the profound professor bell' logic.

You're simply digging a deeper hole, let it go.
 
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LMAO, you're everywhere. Based on your assesements.... They're simply talented.

I mean, the same coaches couldn't coach up Browns leftovers per the profound professor bell' logic.

You're simply digging a deeper hole, let it go.
You're either too much of a homer and being obtuse or you truly don't get it although I think you finally understand. Yes, there was talent, it was coaching. Hence the coaching carousel. You could have agreed on the first page instead of dragging it all out. Come on FB season!!
 
No dumbass! Your too dense to have a logical football discussion with. If they had talent but the coaches were the problem the same coaches wouldn't produce two freshman All-Americans. Coaching is not even the major factor in Wickline not being here, but I'm sure you knew that.

Have another Natty Light and party on. I'm out.
 
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Change of subject.... anyone wanna do a wager with me on the Ou/Texas game this year? Doesn't have to be $$$, it can be a sig bet.
 
Simple.... If OU wins I walk out in front of my house and sing that crappy OU fight song. If Texas wins, Fizz does the singing.
 
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I trust that Fizz holds up his end of the bargain because he is also an old guy and we tend to do what we say we will do.


I did give you a like however.....
 
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The current staff will have the best OL unit and the best depth they have had since Charlie joined Texas. QB has by far been a bigger issue.

This is the best online talent Texas has had since 2006. And that group was a holdover from 2005.

Uh, it seems like the Charlie Strong Choo Choo train derailed a couple of OC's back? The good new is, Bwilk55, for teams like OU and Texas with the basic talent they both pull in every year both teams should be good for AT LEAST 7 or 8 wins a year with decent coaching. So, with the new OC bringing new ideas and the D getting a few more stops it's not hard to fathom a better Texas team this year. I like the young qb Buechele (sp?) And I think you would agree it's a major year for Coach Strong to show major improvements in the 8+ win category. Wouldn't you agree. BTW, I like that "Charlie Strong Choo Choo Train" it's kind of catchy, I may borrow that if you don't mind.

So are you saying our current offense is a train wreck?

Haha well looky here I am glad you could check back in and realize that another of your fairytales has been debunked.......Good grief dude, the excuses have to end at some point and I have a feeling this is the magic year. Either Charlie get things going with his 3rd OC or the experiment is over in my opinion. You're a legend in your own mind=)roll

I don't see where you did anything but tell us we signed guys that were ranked as 4'star prospects.

If the rankings were an exact science you would see the rivals 100 all drafted every year. It's not. Granted some of our problems were due to horrible coaching, but the fact is that McWhorter recruited guys to fit a specific system and then Mack changed the system after we lost to Alabama. He went from a finess system to a down hill running system featuring Malcolm Brown and Johnathan Gray. Basically the same as entering a Prius in a street race. We suffered for it and it eventually cost Mack his job.

Some of those guys were good, but for whatever reason they didn't fit into the system Strong was trying to run, or they just couldn't keep the rules.

If you look at our starters this year all but one is a Charlie Strong recruit, and that one might be the best olinemen Mack recruited since about 2006.
 
I just don't see Strong as the answer. I see Texas losing several games yet again. Would a losing record put Strong on the hot seat?
 
ND had multiple 3 stars drafted last year in the first 3 rounds (Nick Martin & CJ Procise) & a high3/low 4 (Will Fuller).
Also had a very low 4 from the year before get named All Pro in the NFL.
The recruiting services are about 50% accurate with ND players that I have seen. Can't speak for Texas.
 
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