BringBackRoyal official swiss gun thread

clob94

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Dude--- you weren't kidding!

Can you figure out how to snag me this one? I've been looking for a more effective way to set security at the ranch and this would be a nice start.
 
Whoa, brother. I wish I could help you build an impregnable fortress, but importing NFA stuff is definitely not in my wheelhouse.

I do personal imports of high-end European handguns on ATF Form 6 through an FFL who is not an FFL-08, rather than going through a commercial importer, so as to bypass the GCA requirement of having rare and valuable guns defaced with ugly import marks. Buying European pistols and revolvers in Germany, Switzerland, and Italy and bringing them over here (for personal use only) is the extent of my expertise when it comes to firearms importation, unfortunately.

I think you would have to be an FFL/SOT to be able to import anything full-auto. Don't quote me on this, but I think you have to be an FFL/SOT even to own anything full-auto that wasn't in the country and registered by the date in 1986 prescribed by the FOPA. I'm sure it's all more complicated than that, but I'm pretty sure these are minimum requirements. Maybe you'll have to look into a side gig!
 
If you are taking orders I'd love to get my hands on a Russian Lobaev Arms SVLK-14S.

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Considered the most deadly sniper rifle, said to be capable of hitting a target 2 miles away.
 
LOL 😂

With the volume of guns I import for my personal collection, I expect I'm eventually going to get a pop-in visit from some friendly neighborhood ATF agents to make sure I haven't disposed of any that have been recently imported (as per the requirements for personal imports on Form 6). Not going to get my nuts in a vise by f*cking around with federal firearms laws, amigos.

That said, you don't need me anyway. I go about this the hard way just because I can't stand the thought of locating rare guns after long searches and then having a commercial importer vandalize them with their import mark in order to comply with federal import marking requirements. If, like most people, you don't care about a tiny import mark, then just find your guns abroad, make sure they can legally be imported, and then pay a reputable commercial importer to do all of the hard work for you. I recommend Simpson Ltd.: https://simpsonltd.com/firearm-imports/.
 
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LOL 😂

With the volume of guns I import for my personal collection, I expect I'm eventually going to get a pop-in visit from some friendly neighborhood ATF agents to make sure I haven't disposed of any that have been recently imported (as per the requirements for personal imports on Form 6). Not going to get my nuts in a vise by f*cking around with federal firearms laws, amigos.

That said, you don't need me anyway. I go about this the hard way just because I can't stand the thought of locating rare guns after long searches and then having a commercial importer vandalize them with their import mark in order to comply with federal import marking requirements. If, like most people, you don't care about a tiny import mark, then just find your guns abroad, make sure they can legally be imported, and then pay a reputable commercial importer to do all of the hard work for you. I recommend Simpson Ltd.: https://simpsonltd.com/firearm-imports/.
What the difference between what my dad did when he went to the browning factory in Belgium and bought a 12 gauge Diane?
 
When did he do it?
2006. April 1st actually. I know that because it was my folks 40th anniversary and I bought them plane tickets to Belgium as a present. Then I flew over there to meet them as a surprise. Dad and I went and toured the Browning offices while mom went shopping for Belgian lace table "covers"--- I guess you would call them. Dad found a fvcking BEAUTIFUL Browning over and under-- I mean it was gorgeous. Silver sides with hand engraved bird dogs on one side and a flying pheasant on the other. Amazing dark walnut stock with a few "birds eye" knots in the stock. Don't know why he found those appealing but he did. It was "new SUV" worth in price, but hands down the most beautiful shotgun I'd ever laid eyes on.
Dad talked to the honcho in charge and negotiated a price and I watched as the honcho broke it down and placed it into it's equally gorgeous case and then boxed it up for dad. There was a gun dealer in Houston that he had a relationship with, and that's where dad was to pick it up. Since he and mom had flown out of Bush, he was able to pick it up a few weeks later when he and mom returned home.

I know my dad was meticulous when it came to guns, and if someone would have made some sort of stamp on the metal, I imagine my dad would have raised holy hell because it would devalue the gun.
 
2006. April 1st actually. I know that because it was my folks 40th anniversary and I bought them plane tickets to Belgium as a present. Then I flew over there to meet them as a surprise. Dad and I went and toured the Browning offices while mom went shopping for Belgian lace table "covers"--- I guess you would call them. Dad found a fvcking BEAUTIFUL Browning over and under-- I mean it was gorgeous. Silver sides with hand engraved bird dogs on one side and a flying pheasant on the other. Amazing dark walnut stock with a few "birds eye" knots in the stock. Don't know why he found those appealing but he did. It was "new SUV" worth in price, but hands down the most beautiful shotgun I'd ever laid eyes on.
Dad talked to the honcho in charge and negotiated a price and I watched as the honcho broke it down and placed it into it's equally gorgeous case and then boxed it up for dad. There was a gun dealer in Houston that he had a relationship with, and that's where dad was to pick it up. Since he and mom had flown out of Bush, he was able to pick it up a few weeks later when he and mom returned home.

I know my dad was meticulous when it came to guns, and if someone would have made some sort of stamp on the metal, I imagine my dad would have raised holy hell because it would devalue the gun.

The situation is different since your dad made arrangements with the manufacturer directly. As you know, FN (Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal) is the Belgian manufacturer that has long made many of the guns bearing the Browning name, including the top-tier Browning shotguns. Since FN obviously continually exports loads of guns to the U.S., I imagine that they were able to ship the gun stateside without your dad really having to do much of anything. In all likelihood, FN shipped the gun to Browning Arms Company in Utah (now a wholly-owned subsidiary of FN that serves as the official importer/marketer), which then routed it to the dealer in Houston.

The roll marks or engravings for the Browning company name and location are applied by FN at the time of manufacture on guns manufactured for sale in the U.S. market. The same is the case with factory-applied roll marks (or impressions on polymer frames) that you see on other European guns sold here that reference a European company's U.S. subsidiary, which serves as the official importer. These factory-applied markings satisfy the 1968 Gun Control Act's import marking requirement; they appear on the guns as a matter of course and are not seen as in any way degrading their original condition.

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If, hypothetically, your dad had instead visited some retail gun shop in Belgium and purchased a shotgun not intended for export to the U.S. -- meaning that it would not be marked "Browning Arms Company, Morgan, Utah," but instead "Fabrique Nationale d'Herstal" -- then the process would have been very different. He would have had to obtain an import license from the ATF by submitting Form 6 and, through an export agent, an export license from whatever the ATF equivalent is in Belgium. If he had used a commercial importer in the U.S. to take care of all of the paperwork, customs brokers, etc., the gun would have to have been marked with the commercial importer's company name, city, and state (as in the photos in the Simpson Ltd. link I posted above) before it could have been transferred to him. If, in this hypothetical situation, he had gone through the trouble of doing a personal import instead of a commercial import, he would have been able to avoid the import marking requirement.

The import marks I'm talking about with disgust are ones that are applied in the U.S. by a commercial importer that has no affiliation with the manufacturer, not the ones that are applied at the time of manufacture on guns produced for export to the U.S.
 
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hell....just get me an old M-79 grenade launcher and a few hundred rounds and I would be good to go.....well, that and a few dozen Claymore mines and my security would be greatly improved.
 
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hell....just get me an old M-79 grenade launcher and a few hundred rounds and I would be good to go.....well, that and a few dozen Claymore mines and my security would be greatly improved.

Going Deer Hunting are we?
 
hell....just get me an old M-79 grenade launcher and a few hundred rounds and I would be good to go.....well, that and a few dozen Claymore mines and my security would be greatly improved.

You can build your own mines, actually pretty easy, just a little tannerite and a shotgun shell. In fact some of the most effective explosive devices in Afghanistan were no more powerful than an M80 firecracker.