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Watch the video. All you professional hit men out there explain to me how this is a professional hit job.....

My favorite part is where after each round is fired, he's having to clear that stove piped round. This tells me he's using subsonic rounds but doesn't have his pistol set up to cycle properly. And he's turning that pistol on its left side, opposite of the direction he should be racking and rolling in order to get a gravity assist.
A pro would never walk into a situation where he had to cycle a failure to feed every time. Rank amateur.

I'm betting this is a dude that had United Healthcare deny some form of treatment for himself- or a family member. It could even be Covid related. I wonder if this dudes death certificate will say "cause of death: Covid related".
 
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First thoughts....some kind of silencer/suppressor on the weapon? It looks awful elongated in that video to be a standard semi-auto but I've been out of the business now for over a decade so my firearms knowledge isn't what it used to be. Second, he might not be a pro per se, but he sure knew how to clear a jam in a rapid enough manner. I've seen seasoned cops struggle to clear a stovepipe much longer than that. Your guess on a denial of claim sure sounds like a good bet to me.
 
First thoughts....some kind of silencer/suppressor on the weapon? It looks awful elongated in that video to be a standard semi-auto but I've been out of the business now for over a decade so my firearms knowledge isn't what it used to be. Second, he might not be a pro per se, but he sure knew how to clear a jam in a rapid enough manner. I've seen seasoned cops struggle to clear a stovepipe much longer than that. Your guess on a denial of claim sure sounds like a good bet to me.
He has a suppressor on it. I'm not saying he doesn't have basic gun use knowledge... it's obvious he does. But a pro doesn't take a weapon into a situation like that unless he's fired it multiple times and knows he can count on it. The video is a little fuzzy- but it "sort of" looks like the suppressor deforms a little after that 1st round...... like he might have had a baffle strike.
 
He’s not a professional hitman for a multitude of reasons but for simplicity’s sake, a single shot would have been sufficient. His first shot landed in the calf at that range.
 
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Long lost warning: I feel confident to speak on this matter, not because I was a cop, but because while I was a cop I spent 4 years assigned to the FBI’s Central Texas Violent Crimes Task Force. Murder-for-hire was one of the crimes we investigated.

First, I hate to the bearer of bad news, but there’s really no such a thing as a “professional” hit man. I mean, organized crime (e.g. cartels, mafia, OMGs etc..) have dudes whom they trust to do their dirty work, but beyond that there’s no John Wick type of network out there you can reach out to for dirt work. Almost all hits are done by “a-friend-of-a-friend knows a guy” type of guys, and those dudes are just some guy willing to kill someone for money. They commonly make mistakes.

Now, the organized crime dudes are more… well, organized. Here in the states, they almost never kill someone. Making a public statement to terrorize the locals might fly in places like Mexico, but not here. They make them go missing… never to return. What does that mean? It’s so much harder to investigate when someone just vanishes without a trace. Murders leave crime scenes that can be investigated. Vanishings do not. And one thing all these guys have in common, is not wanting to get caught. Most states and the feds book one-way tickets to death row for murder-for-hire.

Watching this video, I can give a little insight, but wouldn’t be able to give a really informed opinion with reading the reports and going through the evidence and case files.

The weapon handling actually tells me this dude was prepared, and did likely practice. Why, you ask? Watch the video again (I watched it like 7 times). He raises the pistol with two hands in a shooters grip, not John Wayne one handed, or with the gangsta side tilt. As soon as he fires his first round, he immediately cycles the slide. No hesitation. That tells me he anticipated having to do that, which means he could be using a modified slide, so it has to be manually cycled. That would be to help sound suppression. Most of the sound you hear from a semi-auto being fired with a supressor are (a) the projectile breaking the sound barrier, if not using subsonic loads, (b) the weapon cycling, and (c) the propellant ignition that utilizes blow back to cycle the slide. Use subsonic ammo and closed/locked chamber if you really want Hollywood quality quiet.

Turning the slide to left and cycling like that is a pretty common move to cycle a slide. I’ve done it. It’s fast, and I’ve mostly seen it in competition shooting, but I have see it in malfunction drills. Gravity doesn’t dislodge a malfunction in a handgun nearly as well as the weapon’s extractor does. If he’s using a modified handgun that’s slide has to be manually operated to cycle, this would be the best/fastest way to do it.

The dude does start fumbling when cycling the slide. I would attribute that to adrenaline, instead of poor weapon handling. His heart would have already would been thumping leading up to the first one or two shots, but once his brain kicks in and thinks “holy shit, I’m actually doing this,” it would have been like a jackhammer in his chest, tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, loss of fine motor skills, everything that hits you during a hard adrenaline dump. You kinda go on auto-pilot, and if you haven’t spent literally thousand of hours practicing something, and have to rely on calling a mental audible instead of just reacting due to muscle memory, you’re gonna fumble.

That last part tells me the shooter might have practiced or even have experience shooting guns, but doesn’t have experience shooting people. Trust me when I tell it’s not the same thing.

What really points to the being “amateur” is that the shooter goes for the kill right underneath a camera, and in front of a witness. That, my friends, is what we call bush league. The shooter is wearing all black with a white backpack. That is distinct. How many other cameras are in that neighborhood that you think this dude walked past either to or from the scene? How many other people might have remembered this dude? Now the cops know what to look for. Do y’all remember the Austin bomber? I worked on that one, and that’s how we nailed that dude down…

I’m interested to see how one this plays out. Was it a murder-for-hire, someone with a person vendetta, someone just wanted to kill a man just to watch him die? I have no clue, because I don’t know anything of the details, and won’t theorize.
 
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Scrolling down that tweet, there’s a guy who blew up the video and slowed it down. The slide partially cycles, and it does look like a malfunction. So, it’s obviously not modified. Now my curiosity is peaked, because either the shooter knew it was gonna malfunction, or he responded to an unanticipated malfunction immediately.

Very interesting. 🤔
 
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Long lost warning: I feel confident to speak on this matter, not because I was a cop, but because while I was a cop I spent 4 years assigned to the FBI’s Central Texas Violent Crimes Task Force. Murder-for-hire was one of the crimes we investigated.

First, I hate to the bearer of bad news, but there’s really no such a thing as a “professional” hit man. I mean, organized crime (e.g. cartels, mafia, OMGs etc..) have dudes whom they trust to do their dirty work, but beyond that there’s no John Wick type of network out there you can reach out to for dirt work. Almost all hits are done by “a-friend-of-a-friend knows a guy” type of guys, and those dudes are just some guy willing to kill someone for money. They commonly make mistakes.

Now, the organized crime dudes are more… well, organized. Here in the states, they almost never kill someone. Making a public statement to terrorize the locals might fly in places like Mexico, but not here. They make them go missing… never to return. What does that mean? It’s so much harder to investigate when someone just vanishes without a trace. Murders leave crime scenes that can be investigated. Vanishings do not. And one thing all these guys have in common, is not wanting to get caught. Most states and the feds book one-way tickets to death row for murder-for-hire.

Watching this video, I can give a little insight, but wouldn’t be able to give a really informed opinion with reading the reports and going through the evidence and case files.

The weapon handling actually tells me this dude was prepared, and did likely practice. Why, you ask? Watch the video again (I watched it like 7 times). He raises the pistol with two hands in a shooters grip, not John Wayne one handed, or with the gangsta side tilt. As soon as he fires his first round, he immediately cycles the slide. No hesitation. That tells me he anticipated having to do that, which means he could be using a modified slide, so it has to be manually cycled. That would be to help sound suppression. Most of the sound you hear from a semi-auto being fired with a supressor are (a) the projectile breaking the sound barrier, if not using subsonic loads, (b) the weapon cycling, and (c) the propellant ignition that utilizes blow back to cycle the slide. Use subsonic ammo and closed/locked chamber if you really want Hollywood quality quiet.

Turning the slide to left and cycling like that is a pretty common move to cycle a slide. I’ve done it. It’s fast, and I’ve mostly seen it in competition shooting, but I have see it in malfunction drills. Gravity doesn’t dislodge a malfunction in a handgun nearly as well as the weapon’s extractor does. If he’s using a modified handgun that’s slide has to be manually operated to cycle, this would be the best/fastest way to do it.

The dude does start fumbling when cycling the slide. I would attribute that to adrenaline, instead of poor weapon handling. His heart would have already would been thumping leading up to the first one or two shots, but once his brain kicks in and thinks “holy shit, I’m actually doing this,” it would have been like a jackhammer in his chest, tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, loss of fine motor skills, everything that hits you during a hard adrenaline dump. You kinda go on auto-pilot, and if you haven’t spent literally thousand of hours practicing something, and have to rely on calling a mental audible instead of just reacting due to muscle memory, you’re gonna fumble.

That last part tells me the shooter might have practiced or even have experience shooting guns, but doesn’t have experience shooting people. Trust me when I tell it’s not the same thing.

What really points to the being “amateur” is that the shooter goes for the kill right underneath a camera, and in front of a witness. That, my friends, is what we call bush league. The shooter is wearing all black with a white backpack. That is distinct. How many other cameras are in that neighborhood that you think this dude walked past either to or from the scene? How many other people might have remembered this dude? Now the cops know what to look for. Do y’all remember the Austin bomber? I worked on that one, and that’s how we nailed that dude down…

I’m interested to see how one this plays out. Was it a murder-for-hire, someone with a person vendetta, someone just wanted to kill a man just to watch him die? I have no clue, because I don’t know anything of the details, and won’t theorize.
Here's my thing- you have a suppressor, you (probably) buy subsonic rounds- how fo you NOT know you need a piston booster? Did this guy have access to a 30 cal suppressor made for a rifle and think he could just slap it on his .30 cal pistol (there aren't many of those) and it would work?
He's not using a 7.62 x 25 Tokarev.... those are easily identified by their shape. He's got what looks like a Glock shaped weapon. Well, it can't be a Glock 9, or 40, or 45, or 357 sig- you can't fire a those through a 7.62mm rifle suppressor.

So by a little process of elimination and common sense, it appears he's not using a rifle suppressor on this pistol. So he's not a complete fvcking retard. Most common round out there is the 9mm. So if he's using a 9- he's got a whisper pickle specifically made for pistol rounds.
Ok.... so why doesn't he have a piston booster?

I agree, he cycles that first failure to feed like he knew it would happen. So he expected it- or at least had it happen before- which means he practiced. But the 2nd and 3rd time it happens- he bangs on it- almost out of frustration.
I was always taught, with a stove pipe, to rack and roll toward the right. Open that breach and gravity will assist you. Rolling it left, that spent brass can fall deeper into the weapon once you open it. And yes, I'm sure that adrenal dump caused his asshole to pucker up nice and tight.

But aside from the weapon- homeboy dressed in a way that WOULD be easily identifiable. Maybe on purpose?
Why?
Well, he had a backpack- he headed directly into Central Park. There's plenty of nooks and crannies in the park to ditch the bike, ditch the black clothes, and change into whatever he was carrying in his backpack-- then ditch the pack.
Now he's free to stroll out of the park at any point as the cops look for a dude wearing all black with a gray backpack.
So far- he's winning- they didn't scoop him up today. But he's left sh!t tons of evidence including a cell phone (allegedly) and shell casings that might have his prints on them.

Speaking of professionals- in my time in Angola- the rumor around the USAID folks was that anytime the government wanted to "handle" a situation, they'd farm it out to black Cubans. Angola and Cuba had a pretty tight relationship and apparently Cuban gunmen were both inexpensive and reliable.
 
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Definitely a lot of questions. I’m curious what the answers will be. There are few things I miss about the job. Figuring out a good ol’ fashioned who-dun-it is one of them. These were the kinds of cases I loved working 16 hour days until we solved.
 
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Definitely a lot of questions. I’m curious what the answers will be. There are few things I miss about the job. Figuring out a good ol’ fashioned who-dun-it is one of them. These were the kinds of cases I loved working 16 hour days until we solved.
What if that's a Ruger 22...........
 
He bought the gun and suppressor off the street somewhere as is, he knew he only needed to fire it a few times and didn't care that is was not set up right. It now resides in the bottom of the Bay.
 
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Long lost warning: I feel confident to speak on this matter, not because I was a cop, but because while I was a cop I spent 4 years assigned to the FBI’s Central Texas Violent Crimes Task Force. Murder-for-hire was one of the crimes we investigated.

First, I hate to the bearer of bad news, but there’s really no such a thing as a “professional” hit man. I mean, organized crime (e.g. cartels, mafia, OMGs etc..) have dudes whom they trust to do their dirty work, but beyond that there’s no John Wick type of network out there you can reach out to for dirt work. Almost all hits are done by “a-friend-of-a-friend knows a guy” type of guys, and those dudes are just some guy willing to kill someone for money. They commonly make mistakes.

Now, the organized crime dudes are more… well, organized. Here in the states, they almost never kill someone. Making a public statement to terrorize the locals might fly in places like Mexico, but not here. They make them go missing… never to return. What does that mean? It’s so much harder to investigate when someone just vanishes without a trace. Murders leave crime scenes that can be investigated. Vanishings do not. And one thing all these guys have in common, is not wanting to get caught. Most states and the feds book one-way tickets to death row for murder-for-hire.

Watching this video, I can give a little insight, but wouldn’t be able to give a really informed opinion with reading the reports and going through the evidence and case files.

The weapon handling actually tells me this dude was prepared, and did likely practice. Why, you ask? Watch the video again (I watched it like 7 times). He raises the pistol with two hands in a shooters grip, not John Wayne one handed, or with the gangsta side tilt. As soon as he fires his first round, he immediately cycles the slide. No hesitation. That tells me he anticipated having to do that, which means he could be using a modified slide, so it has to be manually cycled. That would be to help sound suppression. Most of the sound you hear from a semi-auto being fired with a supressor are (a) the projectile breaking the sound barrier, if not using subsonic loads, (b) the weapon cycling, and (c) the propellant ignition that utilizes blow back to cycle the slide. Use subsonic ammo and closed/locked chamber if you really want Hollywood quality quiet.

Turning the slide to left and cycling like that is a pretty common move to cycle a slide. I’ve done it. It’s fast, and I’ve mostly seen it in competition shooting, but I have see it in malfunction drills. Gravity doesn’t dislodge a malfunction in a handgun nearly as well as the weapon’s extractor does. If he’s using a modified handgun that’s slide has to be manually operated to cycle, this would be the best/fastest way to do it.

The dude does start fumbling when cycling the slide. I would attribute that to adrenaline, instead of poor weapon handling. His heart would have already would been thumping leading up to the first one or two shots, but once his brain kicks in and thinks “holy shit, I’m actually doing this,” it would have been like a jackhammer in his chest, tunnel vision, auditory exclusion, loss of fine motor skills, everything that hits you during a hard adrenaline dump. You kinda go on auto-pilot, and if you haven’t spent literally thousand of hours practicing something, and have to rely on calling a mental audible instead of just reacting due to muscle memory, you’re gonna fumble.

That last part tells me the shooter might have practiced or even have experience shooting guns, but doesn’t have experience shooting people. Trust me when I tell it’s not the same thing.

What really points to the being “amateur” is that the shooter goes for the kill right underneath a camera, and in front of a witness. That, my friends, is what we call bush league. The shooter is wearing all black with a white backpack. That is distinct. How many other cameras are in that neighborhood that you think this dude walked past either to or from the scene? How many other people might have remembered this dude? Now the cops know what to look for. Do y’all remember the Austin bomber? I worked on that one, and that’s how we nailed that dude down…

I’m interested to see how one this plays out. Was it a murder-for-hire, someone with a person vendetta, someone just wanted to kill a man just to watch him die? I have no clue, because I don’t know anything of the details, and won’t theorize.
Dude, in the off-season we need some stories.

My step fathers bro in law was a fort worth cop. He did no knock warrants 30 years ago. He nearly died many times, lots of stories.
 
Definitely a lot of questions. I’m curious what the answers will be. There are few things I miss about the job. Figuring out a good ol’ fashioned who-dun-it is one of them. These were the kinds of cases I loved working 16 hour days until we solved.
So my kid was up and down all night because he's still teething- so I watched the video about 100 times. Here's what I noticed- even though the video isn't the best quality- guess what you can't see?
A shiny little piece of brass being ejected. Not even one little glint of light off that brass. 9mm casings are about the size of the last joint on your pinky. They ain't tiny.
And they often like to tumble when they're ejected. They should have been visible.
But a 22-- those are tiny..... they wouldn't pick up hardly any light at all.
So then I thought- "well, if he's using a 22, and a driver nearby said he heard the shots, maybe it wasn't a suppressed weapon."
So I started looking at semi-auto 22 pistols. One of the first ones that pops up is the Ruger Mark VI.... long barrel.
 
Like I said, there are still a lot of questions left to be answered. I don’t think it’s a Ruger Mark VI or 22/45. I’ve got a 22/45 with an AAC suppressor. It’s long like the one in the video, but the Rugers don’t have slides, so you wouldn’t see them cycling like that. Their chambers are enclosed.

Remember that this was at night, so you’re probably only seeing the light reflecting off the brass and not its entirety. There’s a good chance the casing is larger than it looks on that video. No clue on the what caliber it was.

I’ve seen some people claim online that the casings recovered are 9mm. I hope that’s just speculation and there hasn’t been any official information like that released. God forbid there’s a leak that let out what JasperNewton7 posted. Those are really good starts to fvck up the integrity of an investigation, so I’d like to say they are just speculating.

BUT… Since the video is out there, there might be [some] truth to them. Speaking of which, if this were my case that video would never have been released, at least until it came out in trial. There are too way many details that could used to corroborate or refute statements made during interrogation. That’s worthless now, thanks to the video being public. There is no legitimate investigate need to release it. The only purpose is to sensationalize the crime. That’s some minor league police work.

Deciding what evidence to release to the public, and when, is a delicate balancing act between what evidence you’re willing to compromise versus the benefit of public assistance. You should never release anything just because people are curious.

Patience is one of my [few] virtues, so I’m content to sit back and wait for this to play out. One thing I learned very quickly is that there a a lot of people who want to Scooby Doo it with no information, and criticize cops for not doing anything, because they’re not getting details of the case.
 
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NYPD are supposed to be the best cops in our country.

Boy, did they fvck this one up. The photo they posted isn't even the same dude.

I'm calling this what it is- wardrobe profiling. Fvcking racists.

 
NYPD are supposed to be the best cops in our country.

Says who? 🤷‍♂️

Anyone who says that is definitely NYPD. I had a young cop who worked for me that came from NYPD and he said APD was light years better. I worked in a number of specialized units, and I was blessed to get to work with folks from all over the country (some other countries too) at the local, state, and federal levels. First and foremost, there are good and bad at every agency, at every level. One of the many things I discovered is that policing is looked at differently in different parts of the country, by cops themselves. The Northeast has a particular culture up there that doesn’t fly anywhere else in the country. Not saying they aren’t good guys and gals up there, just different. But, I’m glad I’m down here…. For the most part.
 
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