Dak for Deshaun?
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Curious what other average NFL QBs were averaging over 400ypg this season behind the worst OL in the league.
Dak took a step this year that a lot of Dallas fans didn’t see coming. He kept them in games they didn’t deserve to be in. Choosing between him and Deshaun is splitting hairs, IMO. They’re both great QBs that are more than capable of leading their respective teams.
No, hell no, if just for contract reasons. Rookie QB contracts make owners' peckers stiff.
I love it. Every time one of these threads pop, Texans fans prove they are the Aggies of the NFL world.
And Cowboys are the Huskers. A has been. Just with less recent success.
By every metric Deshaun is better. Pass rating 104 to 97. Yards per attempt 8.3 to 7.7. And Watson has had the inferior supporting cast.
Not a fan of either team. No question Watson is the superior QB. If I had my pick to build around any quarterback in the league, he'd be my #2 choice behind Lamar Jackson. I think four victories is pretty amazing actually. Were it not for Watson, the Dolphins would be hanging Trevor Lawrence's nameplate in their locker room as we speak.
I look at Dak as having a ceiling of Phillip Rivers. He will put up all the stats but still make the rookie mistakes when the game is on the line. Watson has a ceiling of Aaron Rodgers/Payton Manning/ hell maybe even TB12. Neither will probably ever reach their ceiling with their respective teams but Watson>>>Dak.
He is not going anywhere. Franchise QB's do not grow on trees, especially one of Deshauns caliber. Nick Caserio did not take this job just to turn around and trade his prized asset. Its not going to happen unless its the biggest haul of picks we have ever seen and even then it is not likely.
Neither of these guys is a franchise QB; to be a franchise QB, in my opinion, you have to have at least been to a Superbowl or, at a minimum, show that you could take your team to one, soon. Neither of these has or will do that in the next few years without major changes. Hence, my question about trading them. It would improve those odds for both of them.
Watson is vocally disgruntled with the owner for not taking his input in hiring decisions at the very top of the organization. Decisions that influence the owner's bottom line. And he's doing so playing the SJW card (owner is insensitive to racial inequality) to the media.
And someone actually believes Watson's demands and behavior would be a fit in Dallas with Jerry Jones...Owner/GM/God Almighty of the Cowboys? 🤣
Dallas had one player kneel this season during the anthem. Fat body for hire Dontari Poe. After he was signed in the offseason the racial issues were at full tilt. Before entering the building a single time or meeting with JJ, Poe told a reporter on-the-record he didn't agree with Jerry's silence and lack of making a public statement on the subject. It sounded accusational, IMO.
I knew right then Poe would never make it to Year 2 of his 2 year/$8.25 mil/$3.5 mil guaranteed contract no matter how he played. He lasted 7 games. Ole Jer doesn't tolerate public disparagement and challenges to the throne. See Jay Ratcliffe. After these antics, Jerry wouldn't trade Dak for Watson, period.
And someone actually believes Watson's demands and behavior would be a fit in Dallas with Jerry Jones...Owner/GM/God Almighty of the Cowboys? 🤣
Dallas had one player kneel this season during the anthem. Fat body for hire Dontari Poe. After he was signed in the offseason the racial issues were at full tilt. Before entering the building a single time or meeting with JJ, Poe told a reporter on-the-record he didn't agree with Jerry's silence and lack of making a public statement on the subject. It sounded accusational, IMO.
I knew right then Poe would never make it to Year 2 of his 2 year/$8.25 mil/$3.5 mil guaranteed contract no matter how he played. He lasted 7 games. Ole Jer doesn't tolerate public disparagement and challenges to the throne. See Jay Ratcliffe. After these antics, Jerry wouldn't trade Dak for Watson, period.
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Yep. Big miss on my part. I think I still like Jackson better but Mahomes has IT. I'll move Watson down a slot to #3.
Our opinions on value don't matter; only that of the owner does. If the owner & his new GM doesn't want a festering QB problem in their locker room, it just makes sense to trade the problem.
Most people who would know disagree.
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At worst it's certainly not hilarious. Don't be such a homer.
I'm a Cowboys fan.....give me Watson aaaaaall day. Dalton didn't out perform Dak but put up plenty of wins in His absence for much much less money. Dak folds when the pressure is on.
That's a terrible way to rate a QB.
I'm not advocating such a trade for either team but Dak is not a better QB than Watson. I doubt Dak would have had any wins if he were the Texans QB this season. Let that sink in.
If there were a true opportunity to trade QB for QB, everything else being equal, Jerrah would jump all over that deal, and rightfully so.
Not a Texans or Cowboys fan(and I like Dak) but Watson is considerably better by statistical measures, has a weaker supporting cast, is signed to a long term contract and not coming off injury.
Please provide your logic. I know the Texans suck but Watson has been tremendous.
The trade is simply not going to happen and if you do not think Watson is a franchise type QB then I can’t help you.
For the record: I'm a Cowboys fan. And apparently one of the few who isn't delusional.
Not only is he a better QB than Dak, he is also healthy, which Dak isn't. But also, yes, he is better than Dak - or at the very least he has played better than Dak during his entire NFL career.
Also true.
I like Watson more than Dak all other things equal. The fact that Dak is coming off an injury is what makes me like Watson much, much more than Dak too. I think Dak - pre injury - was certainly playing better than an above average QB. He was literally the only thing keeping the Cowboys in games. But with an injury like that, you have to reset expectations a bit, as you don't know a) whether he'll be back to 100% physically (or when?), and b) whether he'll be back to 100% mentally after that injury.
Yeah, no, only a delusional Cowboys fan would disagree with that. Every rational NFL fan would tell you that Deshaun is a much more valuable asset right now than Dak - and would have been so before the injury too.
Yeah, no. A franchise QB is a QB that can take a good team to the playoffs, and a great team to the superbowl. The fact that Deshaun (like Matt Stafford pretty much always, Matt Ryan this year, Andrew Luck most of the time) can't offset how utterly shitty their teams are doesn't make them not franchise QBs. Deshaun is a bona fide franchise QB, and if he were to hit the open market right now he would sign a Mahomes-level contract.
You can make up your own definition of franchise QB, but the rest of us are all in agreement that Deshaun is one. And as a Cowboys fan, I always was on the fence as to whether Dak was or not. He was starting to play like one this year, but in prior years he was too inconsistent to annoint him one.
I don't think that's an exaggeration - Deshaun is a known franchise QB-level guy who is currently healthy and in the prime of his career. If you get him, you likely have secured your franchise QB for the next 10+ years. That is 100% worth a first round pick and two 2nd round picks + Dak.
I think you'd have to assume this includes an agreement from Dak to sign a longer-term contract - i.e., it cannot just be a 1-year rental, it should be Dak + contract + some picks. I think then it can get interesting for the Texans, i.e., you get draft capital, you get a guy who is at the very least an above average QB that is still young and you can start a rebuild around (and for cheaper because you have to assume that you neogtiate it so you don't give Dak Deshaun-level money).
Obviously the question is how many picks/what picks. Like you said, other franchises are going to put together packages that include picks, but I think the million dollar question is whether any of those offers come with a QB that you somewhat trust - because personally, I would take Dak over all the QBs that have been included in these trade convos (Tua, Jimmy G, Sam Darnold, etc.). I'd rather have Dak and the #10 pick than Tua and the #3, or Darnold and the #2, or Jimmy G and the #12.
Future picks are trickier - apples to apples, I would rather have the Cowboys picks than the Dolphins or 49ers (both of which just look like better managed teams), but I'd probably rather have the Jets' picks (because the Jets are just the worst managed franchise ever).
Not only is he a better QB than Dak, he is also healthy, which Dak isn't. But also, yes, he is better than Dak - or at the very least he has played better than Dak during his entire NFL career.
Also true.
I like Watson more than Dak all other things equal. The fact that Dak is coming off an injury is what makes me like Watson much, much more than Dak too. I think Dak - pre injury - was certainly playing better than an above average QB. He was literally the only thing keeping the Cowboys in games. But with an injury like that, you have to reset expectations a bit, as you don't know a) whether he'll be back to 100% physically (or when?), and b) whether he'll be back to 100% mentally after that injury.
Yeah, no, only a delusional Cowboys fan would disagree with that. Every rational NFL fan would tell you that Deshaun is a much more valuable asset right now than Dak - and would have been so before the injury too.
Yeah, no. A franchise QB is a QB that can take a good team to the playoffs, and a great team to the superbowl. The fact that Deshaun (like Matt Stafford pretty much always, Matt Ryan this year, Andrew Luck most of the time) can't offset how utterly shitty their teams are doesn't make them not franchise QBs. Deshaun is a bona fide franchise QB, and if he were to hit the open market right now he would sign a Mahomes-level contract.
You can make up your own definition of franchise QB, but the rest of us are all in agreement that Deshaun is one. And as a Cowboys fan, I always was on the fence as to whether Dak was or not. He was starting to play like one this year, but in prior years he was too inconsistent to annoint him one.
I don't think that's an exaggeration - Deshaun is a known franchise QB-level guy who is currently healthy and in the prime of his career. If you get him, you likely have secured your franchise QB for the next 10+ years. That is 100% worth a first round pick and two 2nd round picks + Dak.
I think you'd have to assume this includes an agreement from Dak to sign a longer-term contract - i.e., it cannot just be a 1-year rental, it should be Dak + contract + some picks. I think then it can get interesting for the Texans, i.e., you get draft capital, you get a guy who is at the very least an above average QB that is still young and you can start a rebuild around (and for cheaper because you have to assume that you neogtiate it so you don't give Dak Deshaun-level money).
Obviously the question is how many picks/what picks. Like you said, other franchises are going to put together packages that include picks, but I think the million dollar question is whether any of those offers come with a QB that you somewhat trust - because personally, I would take Dak over all the QBs that have been included in these trade convos (Tua, Jimmy G, Sam Darnold, etc.). I'd rather have Dak and the #10 pick than Tua and the #3, or Darnold and the #2, or Jimmy G and the #12.
Future picks are trickier - apples to apples, I would rather have the Cowboys picks than the Dolphins or 49ers (both of which just look like better managed teams), but I'd probably rather have the Jets' picks (because the Jets are just the worst managed franchise ever).
Well Deshaun is just going to have to put on his big boy pants and play his contact. If his agent and he were to stupid to see Texans management and coaching was not a dumpster fire that's on them. This isn't done kind of revelation.
Lol...No. Watson is to much of a baby and whoever suggested he'd get a Mahomes size contract that's a joke. Well I suppose the Texans might be stupid enough to pay that but not anyone else.
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