Dak for Deshaun?
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My head will explode when Cowboys sign Dak for $$$$ anyway. Sure road to mediocrity.
Anyone that does not have Mahomes as #1 should be put on ignore user. There is probably no QB in NFL history I would want over him if you get anyone at the age of 25.
This thread is and absolutely fascinating example of delusional group think. Take it to Texags.com, please.
There are two delusional idiots on this thread. And you're one of them.
I wish you were correct, but this isn't the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s or even the early 2000s. Athletes aren't just players/commodities anymore. If Watson doesn't want to be in Houston, he won't be by June or shortly thereafter.
Just like price, value matters only in the eye of the holder or beholder. Those of us on the outside; not so much.
I love it when people use the line "the rest of us are all in agreement" to bolster something that is solely their own opinion. It's the very definition of intellectual laziness.
All-day long. If he's not happy, start with that talented young clay. They have to rebuild in many areas anyway.
It's shorthand for "you are taking such an unpopular/borderling stupid stance that it is your burden to validate it, not mine to disprove it".
In short, Hitchen's Razor.
It's like Aggies who go on Twitter to declare that A&M is the flagship program in the state and then expect the burden of proof to be on Longhorn fans to prove them wrong. No, the predominant opinion is that UT is the flagship university in the state - it is on them to show up with something to back up their claim.
The majority of NFL fans would agree that Deshaun is a franchise QB. No, I don't need to go run a survey considering any search for "best QBs in the NFL right now" is going to have Deshaun in the top 5-7. If you want to have that argument, you go build an argument as to why you believe that - and it needs to be a better one than "I made up a definition that is far from universally agreed upon and in my definition, he isn't".
To say "the rest of us are all in agreement" is certainly exaggeration if taken literally. Since I can take editorial freedomes, I will still use it though - and the fact remains that any search for "what is a franchise QB" is going to return something far, far from your definition.
They aren't commodities, but Deshaun is under a 5 year contract. Lev Bell - the best precedent we have thus far - was under contract because of a franchise tag. That is quite different than being tied up for 5 years. If Deshaun wants to play hardball, then the Texans have all the leverage for his career to just be over. You don't want to play for us? Cool, you just won't play ever again. The damage this would do to the Texans is much, much lower than what it would cost Deshaun. He has made $40M thus far and would be leaving at least $300M in career earnings on the table (if you assume he has at least 10 years at $30M per year left, which is probably conservative). Not to mention the loss of advertising, endorsements, etc. revenue.
That's always the fallback response on OB when a poster has nothing intelligent left to say.
You say they are commodities, then you turn right round and make him one. In the current environment a head butting contest between an old white billionaire and a young black millionaire is not one the former can win, nor should he even want the fight. I think that's why we been hearing about a trade to Miami since the new GM was hired by McNair, and the narrative was that he had "ignored" the head hunters recommendation (you know, someone you hire for advice, not to make the decision). The way the story has been framed means Watson, if his heels are dug in, is likely gone.
Watson, if his heels are dug in, is likely gone if the Texans can get fair market value for him. My point is that the Texans aren't going to get strong-armed into just trading Deshaun for cents on the dollar just because he's disgruntled. If someone (like Miami) wants to show up to the table with something like Tua + a bunch of 1st round picks... maybe. But this isn't a situation like e.g. Kawhi forcing the Spurs to trade him - where Kawhi did have leverage on the organization.
Deshaun does have some leverage in this situation, but it's more than offset by the fact that he is on the wrong end of his current contract. And he can try to play hardball (and even leverage race tensions to his advantage), but ultimately the downside for him is literally the Kaepernick situation - he just never plays football again. Which, given that he's 25 and in the prime of his career, is... unlikely.
I think what is much more likely to happen is that the new GM's first order of business is to mend the relationship with Deshaun, re-involve him in the coaching search process, and make it work. And if you can't do that, then it's likely either going to be a win/win situation (if they can secure a trade partner that brings a big ole bag of picks to the table), or a massive lose/lose situation if Deshaun digs his heels in (which I just don't see happening).
Not really lazy. My family owns part of the team, and I am just sharing what I have been told.
You obviously don't watch the team enough to make an intelligent statement or you're just clueless altogether.
That's always the fallback response on OB when a poster has nothing intelligent left to say.
Ya, sure it is.
FWIW, I wouldnt want either of them. I’d sign Dak to another franchise tender and immediately look to trade him for a first and a whatever anyone would give me.
Watson isn’t happy, won’t stay happy, and had his own severe injury history.
Watson isn’t happy, won’t stay happy, and had his own severe injury history.
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In the end, if he wants out and they get an attractive offer, they will trade him. However, Deshaun has very little leverage. He's going to play to win either way, and he's not going to suddenly become a sullen jerk. Becoming a jerk and not playing to win will impact his market value in 5 years.
I mean.... I'm a Packers fan, and I just said it.
Have you seen the rest of the post-BOB Texans team?
Too short a span to really mean much, when compared with the rest of Dak's body of work.
Not to mention, the Dallas OL (even injured) is no where near as bad as some (like the Texans, for example) and is still loaded with good talent at WR and RB.
Personally, I just don't see it with Dak.
I don't see him as a Top10 QB in the NFL, and I wouldn't give him a big contract. Seems like the best possible way to remove any possibility of winning a Super Bowl, imo.
Tag Dak and trade him for picks.
Then go out and get a QB who's just as good (or much better) but is on a rookie deal....plus the talent from picks.
He threw for 4900 yards in 2019. He’s easily a top 10 QB and I’m not sure there’s any question at this point.
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