Fire Vance Bedford NOW * Charlie to call plays vs okie lite?
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People for goodness sake settle down. This is also the same Vance Bedford that has held the Baylor offense to 21 and 17 points in the two games he went against Art Briles. It's also the same Vance Bedford who had a golden game plan in last year's OK game. So good we had what 10 sacks? We also kept Sterling Shepard out of the end zone and nobody else that OK played last year can say that.
For cryin out loud our best dt's are less than 6 months removed from the senior prom anyone thought about that? Apparently not. And if our top seniors are Paul Boyette, Bryce Cottrell, and Dylan Haines were in trouble. Anyone thought about that? The coaches and players are still getting on the same page. Look this isn't basketball where the starting lineup can be all freshman and you can still compete there's 11 guys on a fb team not 5.
We have our only off week coming up that gives us time to correct our mistakes. Yes, our d played terrible and Cal is only an average team but it's way to early to scream for the dc's head.
For cryin out loud our best dt's are less than 6 months removed from the senior prom anyone thought about that? Apparently not. And if our top seniors are Paul Boyette, Bryce Cottrell, and Dylan Haines were in trouble. Anyone thought about that? The coaches and players are still getting on the same page. Look this isn't basketball where the starting lineup can be all freshman and you can still compete there's 11 guys on a fb team not 5.
We have our only off week coming up that gives us time to correct our mistakes. Yes, our d played terrible and Cal is only an average team but it's way to early to scream for the dc's head.
3 years.....and you point out 2 games....one with a 5th string baylor wide receiver QB.....u are not helping your case.
No we had Tyrone Swooopes at qb which NEGATED whatever qb disadvantage they might have had. They made a comeback and had a chance to win but their rb fumbled at our end of the field. We also knocked the he** out of their starting qb, took him out of the game. We led the Big XII in d just two years ago. Get off the man's back already.
I think everyone is just pissed about the wild inconsistencies of this team. Play a good game, play a mediocre game, play a toilet bowl game.
We are outhouse on week, Castle the next and then mediocre the following week.
When we are good, ou last year, we've been pretty darn good. When we are mediocre we are pedestrian like in mediocrity. It's bad mediocrity at that. But when we are bad, we aren't just bad-- we are fvcking putrid.
We are outhouse on week, Castle the next and then mediocre the following week.
When we are good, ou last year, we've been pretty darn good. When we are mediocre we are pedestrian like in mediocrity. It's bad mediocrity at that. But when we are bad, we aren't just bad-- we are fvcking putrid.
I think we need to get some prespective. The ND and UTEP wins didn't mean we were winning every game and the loss to Cal doesn't mean chalk everything left up as a loss. With that said. I think the time is right for Strong to take the defense. He's a national championship DC and the offense is in good hands with Gilbert.
I think we as fans though need to understand what "good defense" is in college football these days. It's winning 35-30. Even nick Saban who is a defense guy gave up 40 points. The days of 20-17 football in college are gone.
I've often wondered why more defensive HC's don't call the defense. A lot of offensive minded HCs sill call plays and such.
I think we as fans though need to understand what "good defense" is in college football these days. It's winning 35-30. Even nick Saban who is a defense guy gave up 40 points. The days of 20-17 football in college are gone.
I've often wondered why more defensive HC's don't call the defense. A lot of offensive minded HCs sill call plays and such.
After seeing what Meyer at TOSU is able to do with young talent, it just emphasizes the coaching incompetencies in CFB. I think there are very few college coaches that are truly good developmental coaches who have proved it under different eras and scenarios. I think Stoops and even Strong are good coaches who under the right scenario really shine but compared to Meyer and only a couple of others, are second tier coaches.
In the end Dozer, there is Meyer(the best) and Saban ( near the best) and then everyone else.
I agree with you Belldozier I don't think there is a big focus on development. Some of that is the constant need to win to save your job. So you aren't worried about development as much as you are saving your own skin. Guys like Urban, Saban, etc don't have to worry about that.
I have zero doubt Strong can devlop talent though. Look how many guys at Louisville were recruited as 3 star dudes. 3 years later they are NFL draft picks. You will see these kids get better. We're 3 games in to their college career in many cases.
No one thought this team was going undefeated so we all expected to drop at least s couple games. Sure it sucks but it was bound to happen. No need to overreact to that.
I have zero doubt Strong can devlop talent though. Look how many guys at Louisville were recruited as 3 star dudes. 3 years later they are NFL draft picks. You will see these kids get better. We're 3 games in to their college career in many cases.
No one thought this team was going undefeated so we all expected to drop at least s couple games. Sure it sucks but it was bound to happen. No need to overreact to that.
I'd put Harbaugh in that catagorey to. But yeah those 3 are clearly above everyone else.
In both of OU's loses, the first thing that can be taken away from those games are that both Houston and OSU were great tacklers on D. OU is not aggressive tackling and does not wrap up sloppy. OU players also look weak compared to OSU players especially. It appeared our DB's and even linebackers had trouble bringing their receivers down. AND that's before you even get into the whole coaching mental mismatch between the 2 teams. I sure didn't see OSU have a problem defending the spread, their db's were on our receivers like glue for most of the game and most definitely when we really needed a completion to keep a drive going. Mike Stoops seems to want to play a contain style defense on Houston and OSU but the problem is, both of those qb's threw the ball well enough to offset it. No changeup from OU and again getting outathleted. OU finishing recruiting around the No. 15 or so class the last 5 years is really showing on the field. The OSU game showed it really is about the Jimmies and Joes and not necessarily the x's and o's totally.
The thing that separates Saban & Urban from other coaches is that they care more about their players than the W. Obviously, that was a joke. They are both 100% slaves to winning, and will do anything to make it happen. Anything. Briles has nothing on these guys, but they are better.
Urban had his mental breakdown because he saw what Saban was building. He left the SEC for a reason, and easier path. They are the best 2, just disagree on your order.
We will see how the next few weeks devlop but I think Strong may end up in the big 12 with what Urban has in the big 10. If he can get Texas back OU is the only team capable of stopping them and they are starting to,look like Texas the last few years under Mack.
If Strong doesn't, the next guy might. The setup is better for Texas. A good Texas is the cream of the BIG12. But Charlie Strong is not Urban Meyer, he just isn't. Only the most biased would think so, or the slightly challenged.
He's not the greatest coach of all time? No probably not. Still can be and is pretty good.
As a Texas fan I fully understand this year was never going to be an undefeated season. But it is getting old with the penalties and wide open WR's running free in the Texas secondary.
Football played with discipline and everyone doing their job will beat a more talented team not doing these things.....ie Cal beating Texas.
Most of us are not so mad at the loss as we are HOW and WHY Texas lost. I wish some of you would understand that. It is not like every time Texas loses we want everyone fired. I am sick of all the penalties......sick of busted assignments.......sick of hearing how young Texas is.
After 3 years it is time to hold millionaire coaches accountable. I have not given up on Strong.......yet. He needs to do what he does best.....find and develop talent.....he needs to get a decent DC and let them do their thing.
Football played with discipline and everyone doing their job will beat a more talented team not doing these things.....ie Cal beating Texas.
Most of us are not so mad at the loss as we are HOW and WHY Texas lost. I wish some of you would understand that. It is not like every time Texas loses we want everyone fired. I am sick of all the penalties......sick of busted assignments.......sick of hearing how young Texas is.
After 3 years it is time to hold millionaire coaches accountable. I have not given up on Strong.......yet. He needs to do what he does best.....find and develop talent.....he needs to get a decent DC and let them do their thing.
Amazing. lose one game and all of a sudden Strong can't coach. In the end, I believe that Strongs idea of putting player welfare above everything will pay off. It already has from a talent improvement standpoint.
Let's not forget how Strong was able to attract such talent to a down trodden program in the first place.Aggy says we do it with F250's, but sadly for Aggy that isn't true. What is true is that the big talent...errbody...came here and will continue coming here because Strong has a track record of getting guys to the League.Period. Bedford must have SOME part in this.
Let's not forget how Strong was able to attract such talent to a down trodden program in the first place.Aggy says we do it with F250's, but sadly for Aggy that isn't true. What is true is that the big talent...errbody...came here and will continue coming here because Strong has a track record of getting guys to the League.Period. Bedford must have SOME part in this.
Madcpw...I cannot disagree with you. What I need to know is who is the best DC out there and how do we get him?
Today my biggest gripe is that Bedford didn't have the stones to show up to the press conference after his D gave up half a hundred. That's cowardly. He just threw a few of his amateur players out there to fall on the sword. If you make $800K per year, you need to be held accountable when you suck at your job.
1 single high safety burned them all night long....Bedford is part of the equation and Strong was apparently all over the secondary at half time. Those adjustments aren't made in minutes much less a week. If Chuck sees the problem, he better take the reins or he wont be able to dig himself out of the mudhole.
We have a lot of ball watchers around here.
We have a lot of ball watchers around here.
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understand I am being funny/sarcastic with you
so don't take it any other way. We are in the 3rd year of a defense that is lacking basic defensive skills....even more basic, tackling. I think we have a accountability problem and it starts with Charlie's loyalty. I honestly think that last year if he had not changed OC's he would have been fired. I also have a feeling he stood up for Bedford and said if we fix the offense then the Defense will be ok. Well, the offense is not the problem this year. Yes, we should have run the ball but sterling is seeing what we are, and that is Shane can air that dam ball out and score. Maybe he thought the defense would hold up and we could save our running backs for future games. I mean, why beat the shit out of backs on a team we should not lose to. But , SDSU put 334 yards on the ground vs cal....it is hard to not to argue why we did not run more. There are plenty of good Defensive guys out there, but we need a guy that can stop the spread also. That guy that Louisville got is one I might go after but why leave there.We probably win by at least 2 scores if we never attempt a forward pass against Cal. Doesn't excuse Bedford, but keep running, moving the chains, chewing the clock, and the defense stays on the sideline.
Charlie give Greg Robinson a call. He nearly pulled off a miracle for Mack, maybe he can save you.
I would not worry what an aggie says....UCLA struggled to beat BYU and they just beat a 1-2 auburn. Knight and Chavis will eventually implode but I hope not too bad. Lets keep the Herman sweepstakes to just us
There's some truth to that. We only ran the ball 6 times in the 3rd quarter.
Still, you don't give up half a hundred on D and look lost out there. I don't care what the offense is doing. I don't care if we punt on 1st down every time. You can't do what we did out there on defense.
No excuse for 50, but 2 touchdowns came off turnovers, which came off passing. If you can match up muscle (UT run game) against finesse (Cal D, any Big12 D for that matter), I'll go with the muscle 90% of the time. No need to outsmart yourself.
Strong has been very involved in the defensive game planning just as Bob Stoops has. Neither are worth a crap vs. spread. As I said before both had their day and their era.
Not nearly what you are implying. I'm talking play calling not just sitting in on meetings and bouncing thoughts off their knuckled heads. I can't speak for Boob.
But, hey... Texas is 10th in passing efficiency on D and OU is 9th in the Big 12...They both SUCK!
Both are wearing headsets during games and are as clueless as their "DC's" at this point.
Dozer, it's not that simple. Strong has had to force Bedfords hand on playing youth and continues to do so. He pushed Roach and Hager and is now pushing BJ among others.
Strong getting blunt on assistants: "It's about demanding what needs to be done. Don't tell me, 'Well, I told him.'"
Strong getting blunt on assistants: "It's about demanding what needs to be done. Don't tell me, 'Well, I told him.'"
The expectations to start the season were 7-8 wins, then after the ND win we were winning the conference and in the playoffs...
We are still counting on freshman and sophomores who can use more time in the S&C program to reach their full potential. Losing to Cal is a punch to the gut, but hopefully also a wake-up call that nothing is going to be handed to us, have to keep putting in the work and getting those W's one at a time.
Better to lose to Cal and win vs okie-lite and okie.
Need to put in the work to get back on top of this season, starting with okie-lite.
Hook 'em
We are still counting on freshman and sophomores who can use more time in the S&C program to reach their full potential. Losing to Cal is a punch to the gut, but hopefully also a wake-up call that nothing is going to be handed to us, have to keep putting in the work and getting those W's one at a time.
Better to lose to Cal and win vs okie-lite and okie.
Need to put in the work to get back on top of this season, starting with okie-lite.
Hook 'em
Stoops is playing young players on defense right now at DT, DE, LB and cb but dude makes 5 mil. and I don't care about any excuses, that's why they make the big bucks. When I say young, I'm talking true freshman and RS freshman. Stoops came out and took all the blame or not doing a better job of coaching but it's too late for that mess but hey, let's go try to win the Big 12!!!
.........Damn brah, you're not listening! Strong wants the best players on the field and Bedford isn't calling their number, example True Freshmen BJ. Strong isn't making excuses, pull your head outta your ass.I don't give a flying F*&k what Boob is doing, I don't follow OU football. Stop coming at me with OU crap.
Tired of the excuses. We are coming off our worst defense in history, and hearing we are young just wait until next year. Now they are all a year older and look worse.
Our defense last year held up against Cal better, and they were facing a #1 overall drafted QB. Hell they held up better against ND.
Every time this team takes a step forward they take one back.
Our defense last year held up against Cal better, and they were facing a #1 overall drafted QB. Hell they held up better against ND.
Every time this team takes a step forward they take one back.
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