Has the state of Texas ever been dominated like that?

[MiccoMacey]

It used to be a great conference with back when there were 5-6 pretty good teams. As it has stood for the past several years, it has been the worst of the Power 5 conferences. The conference certainly needs Texas to be good to increase the draw of the conference. No one cares if TCU is good nationally. They don't care if Baylor, K-State, OSU or any other of those teams are good. They don't have a national brand. You have Texas and OU which are great brands, but you have to play teams that the country doesn't care about which gives it a bad name no matter how good you are. OU and Texas both need to jump ship and head to greener pastures and I think both schools would benefit tremendously.

I hate that mentality. It reeks of 75 year old men who only want to remember the good old days, and reject modern day reality. If TCU won three of the next four Big 12 Championship, three CFP playoff games, and a National Championship, they wouldn’t be recognized
as legit because they weren’t good in the 1950’s? The Big 12 would still be down because the two teams who were good back in the day are down? Absolute silliness.

 

[outhereincali]

Robo, yeah I finally decided to log in again.

Clob, you know I didn't mean GP. Lol

Cali, I do not miss GDDH. Yes I do love this DB class. So much I can't figure out who my favorite is. Could easily end up the best secondary we've ever had. All of them are very physical, which means TH is getting his type of players.

I think Davis is primed for a big year, and he should hold down his corner, but guys like Boyd and Jones better step it up, or they'll be watching these freshmen play.

Sterns, Foster, Cook, Green, and Jamison, every single one has the potential to come in and take over a spot immediately. I love Overshown, too, and would love to see a 6'4" bruiser of a safety back there, but I think Sterns and Foster are just too damn good. I think Overshown ends up being another Drew Kelson, but even better.

I don't know maybe some of these db's will outgrow their position and then we can move them to a lb spot.

 

[Scholz]

I think Ossai starts out at rover LB and Overshown ends up there

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Holy sh*t! Welcome back, @Metcalf #2! I seriously feared the worst there, hombre.

 

[oldhorn2]

Yeah Metcalf...Welcome back. I have been mis spelling coaches names for over a year now. Your guidance has been missed.

 

[cml7374]

Just turn on the freaking lights......run these cockroaches off lol

 

[RoboCocks21]

I just laughed so hard I farted.

That means you are old man get that checked again

 

[LonghornMM]

Metcalf, you are a welcome addition back here.

Hook'em!

 

[Metcalf #2]

Thanks MM, good to see you still moderating.

Oldhorn, I can't even remember who's name you misspelled now. Lol

BBR, you've known me since what, 2001? You know I get bored and step away from the keyboard from time to time.

 

[hookem3434]

Your last NC was closers to Abraham Lincolns death so let that sink in. The only win streak you had was when you cheated. So don't come here trying to tell us you expectations are higher in Collie Station. Even with our bad seasons kids prefer us over the aggie sheep f**kers. Collie station is so desperate they locked down a coach that went 7-6 for 75 mil guaranteed for 10 years. Nice...

Very few aggies alive today have watched aggsy play for or win a NC in football. They'd have to be at least 85 years old. Let that sink in. WOW!

 

[hookem3434]

I am not trying to flame but lately you have not defined anything except low expectations. We have been extremely mediocre at best but you have been worse, even though your expectations may be higher and you are supposed to be the flagship.

Everybody has down years, that's just part of football. You, being an aggie should know that better than anybody as many down years as you've had.

 

[TX1972]

Very few aggies alive today have watched aggsy play for or win a NC in football. They'd have to be at least 85 years old. Let that sink in. WOW!

My parents (long dead) went to the aggy game in 1940 when the longhorns ended that streak. 6-0 if I remember correctly. Muddy field, one play where the receiver got behind the secondary, it was over.

 

[LonghornMM]

Very few aggies alive today have watched aggsy play for or win a NC in football. They'd have to be at least 85 years old. Let that sink in. WOW!

And that "national championship" has an asterisk by it. What, like eight teams claimed the NC in 1939?

And to use aggy's logic, that NC doesn't count anyway since it didn't happen in the modern era, nor when they were alive to see it.

 

[clob94]

That means you are old man get that checked again

Any more "old man clob" jokes and we are gonna break out the boxing gloves up in here.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Ah shut up ya old bastard.

 

[oldhorn2]

yall had best lay off calling that whippersnapper Clob old.

 

[hillcountryhorn63697005]

Can you imagine how much "fun" those aggys would have during their elephant walk if they did win an NC in football? Scary and weird.

 

[BigBrotherAgs]

I hate that mentality. It reeks of 75 year old men who only want to remember the good old days, and reject modern day reality. If TCU won three of the next four Big 12 Championship, three CFP playoff games, and a National Championship, they wouldn’t be recognized
as legit because they weren’t good in the 1950’s? The Big 12 would still be down because the two teams who were good back in the day are down? Absolute silliness.

That is not exactly what I'm saying. I'm saying the Texas and OU are a brand name that sells tickets whether or not they are good. Oregon had a great run, but they haven't been so great lately. I wouldn't go pay to see a bad Oregon team play A&M. I would go see a down USC, Ohio St, Michigan, etc. team play A&M. I'm saying that teams like TCU, while they are having a good run the past several years, aren't going to be a national draw anytime soon. They can't even sell out their own stadium for a big game.

 

[BigBrotherAgs]

But back to the point. Kansas State, a middling member of "the worst of the Power 5 conferences" beat the Aggies. Yes, that was 2 years ago, so lets go to more recent history - Wake Forest scored 55 on the Aggies. I don't disagree that UT and OU are the leaders of the conference, and we need both to be good. But I've got news for you - the nation may not care if "Baylor, K-State, OSU or any of those teams are good" - but likewise the nation does not care if Vanderbilt, Kentucky, Miss, Miss.St., Arkansas, Tennessee, Missouri, or .... the Aggies are any good.

Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Missouri I will give you. The others I would disagree with you. Mississippi State has been what Baylor, Iowa St, K-State, Kansas, and Tech has been. All I'm saying is that Texas needs greener pastures because there is more money to be made and better draws out there for you. You can't tell me you enjoy games outside of OU on your schedule. I would think you would rather be independent to schedule who you want, or join PAC 12. You guys joined with OU would instantly make that conference better and teams like UCLA would then recruit better and Oregon would get better because you guys joined. I'm not bashing you guys, but I do think the pastures are greener elsewhere. It's going to happen, so we can see what happens then.

 

[BigBrotherAgs]

Well the nation may not care if TCU is any good but people in Texas have noticed that TCU is better than a&m. There is no doubt that the a&m for TCU trade worked out a lot better for the Big XII than it did for the SEC. They got into a P5 bowl game a&m hasn't.

And the Big XII has made a lot of strides. There are 4 promising young coaches in the Big XII who are capable of doing great things at their schools. And even though OK lost their playoff game the Big XII had a solid bowl season. At the end of the season The Big XII finished third among the P5 conferences. We were ahead of the Pac XII and the ACC.

One last thing I got the impression that our new ad doesn't want to leave the Big XII.

Now what else do you want to talk about?

When the move comes...and it will, we can talk then to see how happy you guys will be. You are defending what you are in, like one would defend family, but there aren't many of you that get excited to play anyone else rather than TCU and your one big non conference game each year. You know how I know you aren't happier with TCU? You guys don't spend time talking about them. You see, the hate is what makes it fun to play each other. Texas doesn't sell out for TCU, they always would for A&M.

 

[outhereincali]

When the move comes...and it will, we can talk then to see how happy you guys will be. You are defending what you are in, like one would defend family, but there aren't many of you that get excited to play anyone else rather than TCU and your one big non conference game each year. You know how I know you aren't happier with TCU? You guys don't spend time talking about them. You see, the hate is what makes it fun to play each other. Texas doesn't sell out for TCU, they always would for A&M.

Blah blah blah the heart of my reply is TCU is better than you football and especially baseball or have you forgotten that they beat you not just once but twice in head to head competition. That's right Little ol TCU.

And lots of people on here talk about TCU.

You have no idea how the powers that be at Texas think.

And for the umpteenth time something you aggies will never be able to accept is that whatever you do in sports it has no bearing on the University of Texas.

Period

 

[diadevic]

Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Missouri I will give you. The others I would disagree with you. Mississippi State has been what Baylor, Iowa St, K-State, Kansas, and Tech has been. All I'm saying is that Texas needs greener pastures because there is more money to be made and better draws out there for you. You can't tell me you enjoy games outside of OU on your schedule. I would think you would rather be independent to schedule who you want, or join PAC 12. You guys joined with OU would instantly make that conference better and teams like UCLA would then recruit better and Oregon would get better because you guys joined. I'm not bashing you guys, but I do think the pastures are greener elsewhere. It's going to happen, so we can see what happens then.

You may be right, but I wouldn't be so sure. If UT blew up the conference because of money and the LHN as many outsiders constantly rant, then why in the world would UT go to the PAC 12? Ain't no money out there.

The most recent average payout for each Power 5 league:
SEC: $40.9 million

• Big Ten: $34.8 million for teams getting full shares
• Big 12: also right about $34.8 million
• Pac-12: about $29 million
• ACC: something like $27 million

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/2/2/16964186/sec-revenue-distribution-2017

Factor in the $20 million annual LHN payout, and UT is crushing everyone else -- during its worst stretch in history. If we had a commissioner worth 2 cents (and we don't) - he would call Arizona and Arizona St., some of the ACC (FSU, Clemson and Miami aren't going to stay at the top for long if they are making 33% less than the SEC schools) and Nebraska (they can't be happy since their move). Don't need them all, just a few and then you have the top conference in all sports.

 

[clob94]

When the move comes...and it will, we can talk then to see how happy you guys will be. You are defending what you are in, like one would defend family, but there aren't many of you that get excited to play anyone else rather than TCU and your one big non conference game each year. You know how I know you aren't happier with TCU? You guys don't spend time talking about them. You see, the hate is what makes it fun to play each other. Texas doesn't sell out for TCU, they always would for A&M.

I have a sincere question for you followed by a factual statement.

Do you realize that going all the way back to the 80s that the SEC made overtures to Texas about joining the SEC? It's true. They couldn' get us, so they settled for arky. Now, while arky is certainly making more money, they have nothing to show for it. Again in the 90s the SEC asked Texas to join. We declined because of the formation of the big 12. The sec asked yet again in the early 2000s and were rebuffed again. See the pattern?

Why did we say "No thanks"? It wasn't the money. It was because we didn't want the SEC to get their hooks into the recruiting base in Texas. It wasn't a non zero sum game, for us. Fast forward to atm being upset about the Longhorn network- among other grievances, and the SEC was able to get atm to make a decision based on emotion.

Now, to join the SEC, you simply needed an invite by one school, and at least 5 more schools to vote you in. This happened for you guys. Now, did you know the SEC can also kick you to the curb when they Want? Yup. It's true. They only need 8 votes to bounce you. That's it. 8. You don't get a vote, but errbody else does.

The only way Texas leaves the big 12 for the SEC is as follows:

Texas would ask the SEC to hold a vote and would only come there if the SEC voted atm out FIRST, and then invited Texas in after.

Now, I know what you're thinking-- "They would never vote us out!" You sure about that? You sure if we didn't agree to share our LHN revenue or rework our tv deal with the caveat that they bounce you guys in favor for us that they wouldn't seriously consider it?

They would. And from a business side and revenue side, it would be in their best interest. So just remind ags that the 8 vote sword of Damocles is always there-- hanging over your head.

 

[LonghornMM]

clob, I agree with everything that you said. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't another factor why Texas decided against joining the $EC was because overall, the conference doesn't meet UT's academic standards?

 

[clob94]

clob, I agree with everything that you said. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, wasn't another factor why Texas decided against joining the $EC was because overall, the conference doesn't meet UT's academic standards?

That was one of the "headline" reasons UT used but as anyone will tell you with regard to conference affiliation, outside of the ivy league, each conference has it's academia and it's diploma factory schools. Most people don't realize that Miami is a private, very highly reputable, research school. It just so happened that they sold their souls to be more than that.

Our academics would fair just fine in the SEC..... if anything, we'd help raise the standards.

 

[q1w2e3]

Vanderbilt, Kentucky, and Missouri I will give you. The others I would disagree with you. Mississippi State has been what Baylor, Iowa St, K-State, Kansas, and Tech has been. All I'm saying is that Texas needs greener pastures because there is more money to be made and better draws out there for you. You can't tell me you enjoy games outside of OU on your schedule. I would think you would rather be independent to schedule who you want, or join PAC 12. You guys joined with OU would instantly make that conference better and teams like UCLA would then recruit better and Oregon would get better because you guys joined. I'm not bashing you guys, but I do think the pastures are greener elsewhere. It's going to happen, so we can see what happens then.

No, the nation does not care about Mississippi, Mississippi St, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas A&M, or South Carolina either.

 

[BigBrotherAgs]

No, the nation does not care about Mississippi, Mississippi St, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas A&M, or South Carolina either.

We will have to agree to disagree. When Texas DOES move on from the Big 12 you will be elated.

 

[BigBrotherAgs]

I have a sincere question for you followed by a factual statement.

Do you realize that going all the way back to the 80s that the SEC made overtures to Texas about joining the SEC? It's true. They couldn' get us, so they settled for arky. Now, while arky is certainly making more money, they have nothing to show for it. Again in the 90s the SEC asked Texas to join. We declined because of the formation of the big 12. The sec asked yet again in the early 2000s and were rebuffed again. See the pattern?

Why did we say "No thanks"? It wasn't the money. It was because we didn't want the SEC to get their hooks into the recruiting base in Texas. It wasn't a non zero sum game, for us. Fast forward to atm being upset about the Longhorn network- among other grievances, and the SEC was able to get atm to make a decision based on emotion.

Now, to join the SEC, you simply needed an invite by one school, and at least 5 more schools to vote you in. This happened for you guys. Now, did you know the SEC can also kick you to the curb when they Want? Yup. It's true. They only need 8 votes to bounce you. That's it. 8. You don't get a vote, but errbody else does.

The only way Texas leaves the big 12 for the SEC is as follows:

Texas would ask the SEC to hold a vote and would only come there if the SEC voted atm out FIRST, and then invited Texas in after.

Now, I know what you're thinking-- "They would never vote us out!" You sure about that? You sure if we didn't agree to share our LHN revenue or rework our tv deal with the caveat that they bounce you guys in favor for us that they wouldn't seriously consider it?

They would. And from a business side and revenue side, it would be in their best interest. So just remind ags that the 8 vote sword of Damocles is always there-- hanging over your head.

I'm not sure you understand that Texas may be king in the Big 12, but they aren't in the SEC. Alabama will tell you when and where to piss. There already is an alpha in the SEC. Do you honestly at this point think that the SEC really wants Texas? The SEC has what they want...the state of Texas. They want other markets and no, it isn't about Texas going to the SEC and demanding what they want. It is about the SEC going out into other markets and bringing out other territories.
Texas was simply late to the party when conferences started expanding. They will join another or go independent. It is a dying conference. OU and OSU will bolt soon, so if I'm Texas I might want to start being proactive.

 

[RolloTomassi0309]

No, the nation does not care about Mississippi, Mississippi St, Arkansas, Tennessee, Texas A&M, or South Carolina either.

i think you can argue for tennessee. when fulmer was there, they were a legit national brand. fulmer, however, hasn't been there for a very long time.

what cracked me up about crowing about the sec west is that people (ags) acted like ole miss and miss state were national powers of long standing. truthfully, they put together a few good years. but, in pure secsec style, ole miss's were not at all shockingly found to be dirty. miss state, to be fair, was built on the talent of dan mullen, who is now off to florida. they may have one more decent year in them because of nick fitzgerald, but after that they're back to being 5-7 eternally.

i think georgia found the right coach. and i think mullen will help at florida. but the mississippis (because they're mississippis), arkansas (not sure how that gets turned around in a big way), and lsu (they hired an oaf for a coach) are going to be fair-to-middling programs for a while. there is an opportunity for ag. auburn is always up-and-down, so all they really need to do is clear that biggest of hurdles. i mean, they won't. but the opportunity IS there.

 

[clob94]

I'm not sure you understand that Texas may be king in the Big 12, but they aren't in the SEC. Alabama will tell you when and where to piss. There already is an alpha in the SEC. Do you honestly at this point think that the SEC really wants Texas? The SEC has what they want...the state of Texas. They want other markets and no, it isn't about Texas going to the SEC and demanding what they want. It is about the SEC going out into other markets and bringing out other territories.
Texas was simply late to the party when conferences started expanding. They will join another or go independent. It is a dying conference. OU and OSU will bolt soon, so if I'm Texas I might want to start being proactive.

I see what you're saying and where you're going with this but let's be intellectually honest for a moment---

"All hail Bama" seems to be what you're eluding to. Bama controls the sec because of their dominance over the last 9 years. I don't disagree with that. Bama is having a consistent run much like nebraska did from the late 80s into early 2000s. Always in the hunt. In point of fact, when we joined the big 12 in 1996, nebraska was gunning for its 3rd natty in a row. Something no other team has done. As you recall, we foiled that little plan, and then some years later, nebraska ran for cover in the big 10 because we were able to impose our will at the negotiations table, as well as on the field.

Now with regard to the sec "having" texas, this is a bit disingenuous. Consistently since atm has joined the sec, year in and year out, the ratings in the states top markets, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and Austin, shows that Texas viewers ship is almost double that of atm viewership (roughly 78% higher give or take). Granted, that depends on the specfic weekend and the match ups, but historically, this is what has played out since the departure of atm. I will grant you, under the manziel years, atm had a huge uptick, but it has plummeted by comparison since then.

The sec has but one goal, to increase viewership and revenue. The facts show they could do that by adding texas, and if they jettisoned atm.

Now, will this happen? Probably not. But if push came to shove, the sec will ALWAYS side with the money and the eyeballs-- both of which texas has more of.

 

[BigBrotherAgs]

You may be right, but I wouldn't be so sure. If UT blew up the conference because of money and the LHN as many outsiders constantly rant, then why in the world would UT go to the PAC 12? Ain't no money out there.

The most recent average payout for each Power 5 league:
SEC: $40.9 million

• Big Ten: $34.8 million for teams getting full shares
• Big 12: also right about $34.8 million
• Pac-12: about $29 million
• ACC: something like $27 million

https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2018/2/2/16964186/sec-revenue-distribution-2017

Factor in the $20 million annual LHN payout, and UT is crushing everyone else -- during its worst stretch in history. If we had a commissioner worth 2 cents (and we don't) - he would call Arizona and Arizona St., some of the ACC (FSU, Clemson and Miami aren't going to stay at the top for long if they are making 33% less than the SEC schools) and Nebraska (they can't be happy since their move). Don't need them all, just a few and then you have the top conference in all sports.

I think it would put the Big 12 on par with the SEC, but not better by just adding Arizona and Arizona St. If you added Florida St and Clemson then that would be a big get, but again, don't be late. The SEC will be moving soon to add more teams, and Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida St, OU, etc have all been discussed.

 

[BigBrotherAgs]

I see what you're saying and where you're going with this but let's be intellectually honest for a moment---

"All hail Bama" seems to be what you're eluding to. Bama controls the sec because of their dominance over the last 9 years. I don't disagree with that. Bama is having a consistent run much like nebraska did from the late 80s into early 2000s. Always in the hunt. In point of fact, when we joined the big 12 in 1996, nebraska was gunning for its 3rd natty in a row. Something no other team has done. As you recall, we foiled that little plan, and then some years later, nebraska ran for cover in the big 10 because we were able to impose our will at the negotiations table, as well as on the field.

Now with regard to the sec "having" texas, this is a bit disingenuous. Consistently since atm has joined the sec, year in and year out, the ratings in the states top markets, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio and Austin, shows that Texas viewers ship is almost double that of atm viewership (roughly 78% higher give or take). Granted, that depends on the specfic weekend and the match ups, but historically, this is what has played out since the departure of atm. I will grant you, under the manziel years, atm had a huge uptick, but it has plummeted by comparison since then.

The sec has but one goal, to increase viewership and revenue. The facts show they could do that by adding texas, and if they jettisoned atm.

Now, will this happen? Probably not. But if push came to shove, the sec will ALWAYS side with the money and the eyeballs-- both of which texas has more of.

I can agree on parts of that.

 

[2300 Nueces]

I think it would put the Big 12 on par with the SEC, but not better by just adding Arizona and Arizona St. If you added Florida St and Clemson then that would be a big get, but again, don't be late. The SEC will be moving soon to add more teams, and Virginia Tech, Clemson, Florida St, OU, etc have all been discussed.

There is no rush. We are part of a conference, not just a lone gun. When the change takes place, I'm sure we will act with our friends within the conference. Likely this splits on state lines, politics and all.... The Big 12 is at a disadvantage geographically and demographically at least in the north. Unless agriculture and the commodity universe goes to the moon and the midwest gets an influx of tv sets, the Big 12 may be in trouble. Fact is that we did not bail on our friends. Texas A&M went begging to the SEC and showed no loyalty. Pretty sad IMO.

 

[Scholz]

When Texas DOES move on from the Big 12 you will be elated.

We’re not going anywhere. We make our own conference. We don’t have to rely on good teams in our conference to feel good about ourselves like some lessers.

 

[horn wild]

We will have to agree to disagree. When Texas DOES move on from the Big 12 you will be elated.

Why do you think someone/anyone would be elated?