Start off by saying I'm not a loghorn. As I've looked at the longhorn recruiting class, it's obvious it's not at all where it's going to finish (last year taught us that!) and I was wondering who the prime time targets are that are still left. It seems since the aggies moved to the sec, both teams have kind of targeted different players, I believe due to overall different playing styles by the leagues, with both teams both going after obvious blue chip players. So I was just wondering who the biggest names are that the longhorns are trying to get
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Main guys we have a good shot with:
Marvin Wilson--DT
Baron Browning--LB
Anthony Hines--MLB
Walker Little---OT
Omar Manning--WR
J K Dobbins-- RB ( Ohio St.)
These are the highly ranked kids.
We will probably have a class in the 17-20 range. We already have a highly ranked QB, WR and DE committed.
Marvin Wilson--DT
Baron Browning--LB
Anthony Hines--MLB
Walker Little---OT
Omar Manning--WR
J K Dobbins-- RB ( Ohio St.)
These are the highly ranked kids.
We will probably have a class in the 17-20 range. We already have a highly ranked QB, WR and DE committed.
I figured it would have to be relatively high profile guys that are waiting to commit (hence the low current numbers) but I didn't know if they had their eye on any under the radar guys. I know kenneth murray is looking like an a&m-texas battle too and both camps are pretty high on him
It all depends on the numbers. On paper there are 12 slots for next year of which 6 are presently filled. That can change with whether Fowler makes it in and how many Mack recruits that have been recruited over decide to move on to see the field somewhere else. Even then 20 guys is about the max that could happen. My guess is if Sumlin knew Baylor was going to implode and Texas would fill 4 more slots with Baylor refugees there'd be fewer 3 star reaches in A&M's class at this point.
It is too early to worry about grade risks a whole year away. Yes there are rumors, but plenty of time to get things in order.
Of course we are after guys other than the highly rated.Charlie always wants to save spots for later in the year. It gives him a better chance to evaluate these kids. I never expect us to load up early with Charlie as coach.
Also, Charlie doesn't worry if a player that he wants is committed elsewhere. He understands that all kids are in play until they sign the dotted line( even the ones committed to Texas.)
If we are able to win 8+ games, I fully expect to have a top 10-15 class. The size of the class will probably prevent a chance of to be inside of 10.
Of course we are after guys other than the highly rated.Charlie always wants to save spots for later in the year. It gives him a better chance to evaluate these kids. I never expect us to load up early with Charlie as coach.
Also, Charlie doesn't worry if a player that he wants is committed elsewhere. He understands that all kids are in play until they sign the dotted line( even the ones committed to Texas.)
If we are able to win 8+ games, I fully expect to have a top 10-15 class. The size of the class will probably prevent a chance of to be inside of 10.
I'd tend to agree. A&M is also set up to take 27-28 this year I believe so it's also just filling numbers. The recruiting momentum has fluctuated so much the last couple years that I really believe that this year, more than others, will be determined by play on the field, particularly with guys like dobbins (most expect him to stay in state), Hines, and Wilson. Both teams seem to be in the situation of the coaches have said the right things, but it's time to prove it
Sumlin needs 9 wins imo to keep his job. And can not afford any 49 to 0 blowouts. I would think Strong would be ok at 8 (maybe even 7 as long as another Iowa state isn't included). Obviously, I really don't know. But would be interested in what others think.
Carson is a grade risk but he's doing his part and has been all summer. I'm not sure he makes it in.
As for the class, it's going to be small...like 15-18 kids small. So, while the team ranking won't be all that high, you can bet the average star ranking/value will be high.
If Texas does their part on the field and wins 7-9 games plus a bowl win, the class all but takes care of itself. Charlie wins these families over, wins simply help the cause.
The highest rated kid that Texas likely ends up with is a Walker Little unless Stanford snatches yet another.
As for the class, it's going to be small...like 15-18 kids small. So, while the team ranking won't be all that high, you can bet the average star ranking/value will be high.
If Texas does their part on the field and wins 7-9 games plus a bowl win, the class all but takes care of itself. Charlie wins these families over, wins simply help the cause.
The highest rated kid that Texas likely ends up with is a Walker Little unless Stanford snatches yet another.
It's been weird seeing almost all of the top talent this year go out of state. It looks like Little is leaning stanfords way (I think), okudah is going out of state, Wilson looks like an LSU lock, toneil carter to UGA, and dobbins committed to OSU has made this a weird cycle.
As far as sumlin goes, the win total is really more dependant on how the season lays out. If it's another collapse like last year then he's obviously in trouble. But a solid 8 win season and close games against good teams and he's fine.
But I think you're right in saying if either team really takes care of business on the field, you can look for them to make serious moves on the recruiting front
As far as sumlin goes, the win total is really more dependant on how the season lays out. If it's another collapse like last year then he's obviously in trouble. But a solid 8 win season and close games against good teams and he's fine.
But I think you're right in saying if either team really takes care of business on the field, you can look for them to make serious moves on the recruiting front
From what I know, Little is a strong Texas lean. Stanford likes to snatch them late in the process.
I don't think it is the same for noth sqauds, not to ruffle any feathers but Aggies need to beat LSU or Bama to help their cause and I don't see either of those happening.
I don't think it is the same for noth sqauds, not to ruffle any feathers but Aggies need to beat LSU or Bama to help their cause and I don't see either of those happening.
They're this cycle, landing a ton of 3* prospects that Texas isn't even evaluating. It adds up if people are honest with themselves. 11 composite 3 stars and 7 composite 4 stars with Texas likely working one in Reed. But, the late summer additions have altered that need for Texas.
I guess Strong could load up on 3's in July, I don't see the good in it.
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Again a&m is going to have a pretty large class this year, so they are taking some under the radar guys, so to speak, who are still highly rated 3 stars on 247composite. Obviously there are still head to head battles, and Texas won the majority last year. And a&m won the majority the two years before. But both programs ended up with high end talent because they had eyes set on different guys (texas with guys out of Florida and a&m with guys from DC and cali) I think it's incredibly near sighted to say the Texas has just outright won every recruiting battle or vice versa.
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Nobody is saying that nor is there a need to. The proof is in the pudding! Charlie only went after Florida kids in his first cycle while building repore with instate coaches. The 2016 class has Texas kids stacked from top to bottom with some Louisana blood mixed in. The Cali kid in each of the last 2 cycles are legacy's. Charlie's momentum begain in 2015 and picked up steam in '16. The luster has wore off for the Ags, it's not nearly as neat of a prospective playing experience as it was envisioned post 2012 season. Like I said, they've been beat by the West powers repeatedly in LSU and Bama. They need to start beating those cats to help their cause.
All that being said, if Texas wins... The overlap won't come into play. Texas will get the majority as has occurred through the history of these programs.
I'd definitely agree there. They will definitely have to beat those guys more, especially if they continue reciting heavily in LA. I've been blown away by Strongs recruiting so far, particularly last class. I'm not sure what he's selling, but I think we can all agree he had to do a damn good job to overcome a 5 and 6 win season. I think he's on the right track, this was just where I equated him to sumlin in that there has to be a good product on the field or the recruiting appeal will wear off a bit, similar to what the aggies are facing now
Isn't Sumlin's buyout $15 million after this season? Not to mention the several million in guaranteed contracts to the new assistants he brought on board. I'd be a bit surprised if aggy would pay close to $20 million to make Sumlin go away after an 8-5 season.
I wish Stanford would go back to sucking soon. It's awfully hard to top a Stanford offer when they're winning Rose Bowls.
No kidding. We used to get all the smart kids from the west coast. Now Stanford has locked it down. Don't be surprised if Foster Sarell (the new overall #1 recruit on 247) ends up there. He said academics & staying on the west coast were the most important thing to him. Hello Stsnford.
The only places reporting Little leaning Stanford are ag boards and maybe Stanford.
Sumlin would have to dump commits to make any serious move as the ags already have 18 commits. Their average star ranking is good for 15-20 in that category at present which is before other teams add more commits.
IMO after all the decommits of late Sumlin played it safe and took a large number of guys that aren't going to be poaching targets. It is very similar to the Mack strategy that cost Mack his job in the end.
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I really wasn't sure about Little at all, which was part of the reason I started this thread at all. I was looking for insight outside of what I had already heard.
The aggies do have a couple high profile wr targets and a couple other positions, but I agree that at the end of the day they finish somewhere 10-15. I think that sometimes that there's something to be said for quantity of recruits, as long as they're not a bunch of nobodies.
I realize not many people will agree with me here (if any) but the class isn't nearly low rated as it's being portrayed. It's not dissimilar to the longhorn class a couple years back. Many were dismissing that class because it lacked a ton of star power, but I think there's something to be said about quantity in a class. Now that strong has had a couple years with guys he's recruited, I really am interested to see how things play out for yall this year and moving forward. He wasn't left a whole hell of alot so the last two years didn't really surprise me, I'm more interested moving forward. And I don't mean that to be rude, I think most of yall would agree with that
The aggies do have a couple high profile wr targets and a couple other positions, but I agree that at the end of the day they finish somewhere 10-15. I think that sometimes that there's something to be said for quantity of recruits, as long as they're not a bunch of nobodies.
I realize not many people will agree with me here (if any) but the class isn't nearly low rated as it's being portrayed. It's not dissimilar to the longhorn class a couple years back. Many were dismissing that class because it lacked a ton of star power, but I think there's something to be said about quantity in a class. Now that strong has had a couple years with guys he's recruited, I really am interested to see how things play out for yall this year and moving forward. He wasn't left a whole hell of alot so the last two years didn't really surprise me, I'm more interested moving forward. And I don't mean that to be rude, I think most of yall would agree with that
If you are ok with 7 wins, I think there is about a 95 percent chance you enjoy the season. I would be really surprised if it were less than 7 again. I really think 9 is likely.
Strong is selling honesty.
His message isn't about NFL glory, or getting kids ready for the NFL or stuff like that. He sells his 100% effort to get them to graduation. He sells the parents on his strong discipline and efforts to keep their kids safe and out of trouble.
He sells the kids on his track record of developing them to be the best they can be.
I honestly think this has been a great message in today's social and political climate.
If I were a African American parent of a star football player, I would be concerned about sending my son off to a school, and a coach like Charlie Strong would make me feel a lot better.
I'm not okay with 7 wins, I'm okay with seeing a team that improves over the course of the season. I want to see no blowouts, I want to see this team develop a strong passing game. I want to see this team develop an offensive identity. I want to see this team win the half-time adjustments. I want to see a 1000 yard rusher. I want to see a top 25 defense and a top 40 offense, with a top 20 rushing offense.
I don't want to see the following
In-game mental screw ups by the coaching staff.
Our defense get worn down because our offense can do jack
Go the entire season and only score 2 touchdowns in the 3rd Quarters
Swoops be our best passer.
If I get those things I'm pleased as punch.
Sometimes those unheralded 3 stars turn out to be studs, ala D'onta Foreman. Solid 3 stars can provide depth and if the staff has done a good job in evaluations, those guys can be very important contributors/studs.
Thanks for being a reasonable opposing poster!
I love those 3'star kids ranked about 5.7 in the OB ranking system. Almost a 4'star but not quite. They tend to come in with a chip on their shoulder and something to prove. Some of our best recruits were ranked about 5.7.
There were reasons for Foreman being undervalued in rankings and academics played a big part. He was a risk.
No doubt D'onta is a bad man. My belief is that is what the aggie class has a couple of those guys this year, but only time will tell. Chief is a phenomenal developer so there is always hope.
All I know is texas has taken some really good classes the last couple years both quantity and quality wise so I'm interested to see how it plays out.
At the end of the end of the day we're both hoping for the same thing
All I know is texas has taken some really good classes the last couple years both quantity and quality wise so I'm interested to see how it plays out.
At the end of the end of the day we're both hoping for the same thing
Tell me specifics regarding the 2 and 3 star talent talent that Chavis has developed. His defenses were loaded with highly rated talent at LSU and Tenn. He was never able to get Garrett and Hall to play contain against the run last year. Every SEC opponent exceeded their season rushing average when playing A&M. LSU averaged three 3* defensive players a class while Chavis was there. A&M signed 6 last year.
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Poor rush defense was due to both young DTS and LBs. You can't blame rush defense on DEs. The pass rush was certainly above average. There's no doubt the rush defense needs to improve but it's naive to put that on the DEs, especially when any option runs were shut down
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If you think DEs failing to play contain against the rush isn't a run defense issue then you are the naive one. Funneling the RBs to the inside for the LBs to clean up is part of playing DE.
Option runs? None were needed as the DEs went up field every play leaving gaping holes to run thru.
Guess you have no specifics regarding the 2 and 3 star talent Chavis developed.
I watched several aggie games last year and the DEs consistently went wide and left gaping holes in the tackle/guard slot. The DE has to read the QB and stay home on runs. If he goes wide, the tackle can just release and let the DE take himself right out of the play. Garret has maybe the best 1st step I've ever seen, but he needs to bulk up in the NFL and learn better run gap control. Best bet is to run right at him. He's too fast to run away from him. I know one thing. I sure wish Texas had that kind of speed off the edge. You can teach gap control. You can't coach up that kind of speed.
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