*****Horns vs Frogies Game Thread**********

[BringBackRoyal]

Perfect!!! Our powers that be are nothing if not dumb....and we have lot's of luck....most of it bad...

Don't know whether to laugh or cry, but you're correct.

Thinking about posting some comparative performance stats showing how Texas stacks up against other major programs post-1970 and post-1983. (I hesitate, because I know some people will get worked up and say I'm just hating on my alma mater.) It's sobering just how mediocre our program has been on average during those very long spans.

 

[Cotton #12]

I was at the game,Herman running the offense,Orlando defense.Hey Orlando,you got beat by freshman QB out of Iowa.Why,your putrid defense with 3 linemen puts no pressure on the kid.On the td passes,he has 5 or 6 seconds to complete the pass.The sad part is that you have the athletes to give a QB hell but your bend over close to the chest style would be ok at New mexico but not at Texas.Fans at Texas know a good defense and we had years Texas was the NO 1 defense in the Nation Sorry to vent but you schemes suck.Dont sit back on your ass but.ATTACK!!!

 

[BringBackRoyal]

But there's a difference between being a good coach and being prepared from experience about how to handle this monster that is Texas football.

You just don't roll up in Austin and grab the reins and shout "Yeeee Haawwww" and you're off to the races. It doesn't work that way.

This is a fvcking HARD job.

This is all true, but Alabama, tOSU, and OU are all f*cking hard jobs too -- with fan expectations considerably higher than ours, given how cowed many Texas fans are after decades of underperformance, and with built-in advantages that do not surpass those of Texas.

And yet there's really no comparison in overall achievement between Texas and these programs over the last several decades. Furthermore, Texas is well behind a number of other programs with high expectations and decidedly lesser advantages.

We just manage to f*ck things up really well, for a variety of reasons.

USC is another traditional power that's been chronically poorly run for more than four decades, like Texas. Mike Garrett was a terrible AD who was blessed with the good fortune of seeing his fifth-choice hire turn out to be a home run for a few years. Other than that, they've had a runaway clown car of a football program for decades. (There's something of a parallel with Texas here: DeLoss didn't even want to hire Mack Brown.)

 

[weevilcatch]

Don't know whether to laugh or cry, but you're correct.

Thinking about posting some comparative performance stats showing how Texas stacks up against other major programs post-1970 and post-1983. (I hesitate, because I know some people will get worked up and say I'm just hating on my alma mater.) It's sobering just how mediocre our program has been on average during those very long spans.

85-00 and 2010-2019 were basically Tech

 

[weevilcatch]

I was at the game,Herman running the offense,Orlando defense.Hey Orlando,you got beat by freshman QB out of Iowa.Why,your putrid defense with 3 linemen puts no pressure on the kid.On the td passes,he has 5 or 6 seconds to complete the pass.The sad part is that you have the athletes to give a QB hell but your bend over close to the chest style would be ok at New mexico but not at Texas.Fans at Texas know a good defense and we had years Texas was the NO 1 defense in the Nation Sorry to vent but you schemes suck.Dont sit back on your ass but.ATTACK!!!

while I agree with your frustration about Orlando, I think it’s clear you haven’t the slightest clue abt defensive schemes, etc.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

85-00 and 2010-2019 were basically Tech

Going to add 1984 to that and then note that in those spans -- amounting to 27 (or 75%) of the last 36 seasons -- Texas managed a total of just three 10-win seasons and one top-10 poll finish. (Yes, I'm already counting this current sh*t season as a failure on both of those measures.)

 

[cwillfromdatx]

Did you see how we blitz our corner all day and nothing ever happened. Then we blitz Mitchell twice up the middle and it worked!

We see it but the coaches don't. I just want to know how many of you guys are ready to run him off like we did Strong. Barely beating KU and losing to TCU is in the same aspect as strong was. Yet, Strong lost Ash and Herman has Sam. Hmmmm

 

[Cotton #12]

while I agree with your frustration about Orlando, I think it’s clear you haven’t the slightest clue abt defensive schemes, etc.

I understand enough that we are not getting enough pressure on the QB with a 3 man rush.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I am not surprised we lost yesterday. We have been in offensive shootouts every game. As soon as we play a defense with a pulse, we are going to lose... Iowa State & Kansas State.

 

[weevilcatch]

I understand enough that we are not getting enough pressure on the QB with a 3 man rush.

we bring 5 man pressures all the time. Great defenses throughout the history of football have had a base 3 man DL

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

we bring 5 man pressures all the time. Great defenses throughout the history of football have had a base 3 man DL

I think the point that many are making is we are not playing the best defense based on the the players we have. Instead, the coaches insist on playing the same defense without the required players.

 

[JoeAg]

I agree that Texas is a very difficult job which requires either such a CEO (Mack Brown, Bobby Bowden) type that can handle the politics and recruit incredibly, or a coach with such clout that he can just tell everyone to STFU and mean it. (Saban, Meyer) Dabo is probably a bit of both. I do not agree that OU is as difficult. They are isolated in their state and can just poach out of Texas and coaches have more autonomy and less input from others outside the program. I feel like Texas has so many facets that must be attended to that coaching football suffers. I do agree that USC is similar.

 

[weevilcatch]

I think the point that many are making is we are not playing the best defense based on the the players we have. Instead, the coaches insist on playing the same defense without the required players.

I mean that’s debatable I guess.

3 DL or 4 DL is a silly argument. We bring 4-6 man pressures all the time.

Hell, we brought pressure off the edge on that miracle ball to #4. Coverage was very tight and their kid made a play.

what I’m saying is the arguments being made make no ****ing sense. The problem is with technique being taught and practice habits. It’s not so much scheme but how the scheme is being taught and run.

 

[Hornsfan722]

I mean that’s debatable I guess.

3 DL or 4 DL is a silly argument. We bring 4-6 man pressures all the time.

Hell, we brought pressure off the edge on that miracle ball to #4. Coverage was very tight and their kid made a play.

what I’m saying is the arguments being made make no ****ing sense. The problem is with technique being taught and practice habits. It’s not so much scheme but how the scheme is being taught and run.

The thing about a 3 man front is you better have 3 studs up front who can eat up double teams all day and we just don’t have that.

 

[dj701919]

I mean that’s debatable I guess.

3 DL or 4 DL is a silly argument. We bring 4-6 man pressures all the time.

Hell, we brought pressure off the edge on that miracle ball to #4. Coverage was very tight and their kid made a play.

what I’m saying is the arguments being made make no ****ing sense. The problem is with technique being taught and practice habits. It’s not so much scheme but how the scheme is being taught and run.

It's not that I disagree, but how does that align with past Orlando defenses. I believe that Orlando is a very good coach, and I don't think he just forgot how to teach technique/practice habits.

I believe that we have an execution problem. I believe we have a hardwork beats talent, when talent refuses to work hard issue.

 

[clob94]

The thing about a 3 man front is you better have 3 studs up front who can eat up double teams all day and we just don’t have that.

Yes.

If we had clemson's Dline from last year, we could run nothing BUT 3 man fronts and never dial up blitzes because we wouldn't need to. Those three alone could pressure the QB. But we don't have those kind of dudes so we are blitzing LBs and DBs and when you do that, you leave a zone or area uncovered and a smart QB will beat you.

Now the hail Mary throw and catch is an outlier. We cam with pressure and the QB got off a miracle throw-- and the WR was covered, for sure. But he made a play. Nothing you can do about that play other than to make your own play that's better than the one they made. But we didn't.

 

[clob94]

It's not that I disagree, but how does that align with past Orlando defenses. I believe that Orlando is a very good coach, and I don't think he just forgot how to teach technique/practice habits.

I believe that we have an execution problem. I believe we have a hardwork beats talent, when talent refuses to work hard issue.

Hence my comment about players being spoiled.

Dude--- they have patented LED sparkly lights in their lockers.

Let that sink in.

Each player has sparkly lights in their locker that DIDN'T exist when the company was hired to redo the locker room. They INVENTED and then had to PATENT these sparkly lights------ just for our lockers.

Let that sink in some more and read it again if you're still managing to keep hold of your phone.

We are so spoiled we have sparkly lights that were invented solely for our lockers.

 

[Cotton #12]

How many 3dLine defenses have been successful at Texas?I do not care about the history of college football. We are losing so try something different to combat the spread offenses of today.I think the players are losing confidence in the coaches.

 

[dj701919]

Hence my comment about players being spoiled.

Dude--- they have patented LED sparkly lights in their lockers.

Let that sink in.

Each player has sparkly lights in their locker that DIDN'T exist when the company was hired to redo the locker room. They INVENTED and then had to PATENT these sparkly lights------ just for our lockers.

Let that sink in some more and read it again if you're still managing to keep hold of your phone.

We are so spoiled we have sparkly lights that were invented solely for our lockers.

I understand your point, but LSU lockers have sleep pods and they don't act spoiled.

We talk about the responsiblities of being the Texas coach, but what we need is a guy that screw that. I'm here to coach ball and I don't give a crap what the boosters think.

 

[LonghornMM]

Hence my comment about players being spoiled.

Dude--- they have patented LED sparkly lights in their lockers.

Let that sink in.

Each player has sparkly lights in their locker that DIDN'T exist when the company was hired to redo the locker room. They INVENTED and then had to PATENT these sparkly lights------ just for our lockers.

Let that sink in some more and read it again if you're still managing to keep hold of your phone.

We are so spoiled we have sparkly lights that were invented solely for our lockers.

This kind of thing is the nature of big-time CFB programs these days. Other schools have nicer locker rooms and facilities than Texas, and they don't seem to have this spoiled mentality like Texas players do. Maybe one day, we'll get the right hire, but this is downright embarrassing and frustrating. Especially watching other powerhouse programs getting it right with their hires.

 

[weevilcatch]

How many 3dLine defenses have been successful at Texas?I do not care about the history of college football. We are losing so try something different to combat the spread offenses of today.I think the players are losing confidence in the coaches.

yea. Let’s throw 6 mother ****ers out there on the line and man up across the way.

**** it. Blitz errbody like it’s Madden!

 

[Cotton #12]

yea. Let’s throw 6 mother ****ers out there on the line and man up across the way.

**** it. Blitz errbody like it’s Madden!

Pick your blitz spots on down and distance,watch for screens,flat passes and attack and not stay in some retreating defense.I would rather lose that way than what Im seeing on defense.

 

[Cotton #12]

Pick your blitz spots on down and distance,watch for screens,flat passes and attack and not stay in some retreating defense.I would rather lose that way than what Im seeing on defense.

Of course,my job is not on the line .

 

[ASURAM2010]

Am I the only one that thinks the Sugar Bowl was a curse in disguise last year? About midway through the year last year, all of the pundits and a lot of the folks on here were saying that 2020 was going to be the year that all of the pieces should come together. However, because we overachieved last year and lucked into the Sugar Bowl and then played well, everybody accelerated the timeline. 2020 on paper, is still a better team than the 2019 version mainly due to experience. Our DB's won't be young and inexperienced any more, we should have some substantially better depth next year especially on defense. Although I didn't expect us to look like we have the past few weeks, I think the hype around the Sugar Bowl accelerated things that are going to take some time.

 

[Crimson_Warrior]

I am not surprised we lost yesterday. We have been in offensive shootouts every game. As soon as we play a defense with a pulse, we are going to lose... Iowa State & Kansas State.

K-state was really physically tough on both the offensive and defensive lines. They didn't try to out finesse us, or out big play us. They just bashed our brains in.

 

[EWNHorn]

I was at the game saturday. Section 409. We were in a good mix of Texas fans and TCU fans. It became laughable at how we began to play "guess the offensive play" when Texas was on the field. It was scary how close a local texas high school football coach in the stands was to almost being able to tell us the play before it happened. Then when Texas was on D we could very clearly tell where TCU would be going with the ball. TCU fans were almost shocked at how vanilla our O was. No receivers running through back field to even threaten a jet sweep to hold 'backers was happening.
Now I don't know X's and O's like a Clob or some others on here, but it was so predictable on so many levels. Almost like we just thought we could out talent them and win in the end. TCU fans would jokingly time how long their QB had to throw the ball. It was just sad.
We will be going to the Tech game in Nov......so far Texas is 0-2 in games we've attended......please God don't let it be 0-3

 

[weevilcatch]

I was at the game saturday. Section 409. We were in a good mix of Texas fans and TCU fans. It became laughable at how we began to play "guess the offensive play" when Texas was on the field. It was scary how close a local texas high school football coach in the stands was to almost being able to tell us the play before it happened. Then when Texas was on D we could very clearly tell where TCU would be going with the ball. TCU fans were almost shocked at how vanilla our O was. No receivers running through back field to even threaten a jet sweep to hold 'backers was happening.
Now I don't know X's and O's like a Clob or some others on here, but it was so predictable on so many levels. Almost like we just thought we could out talent them and win in the end. TCU fans would jokingly time how long their QB had to throw the ball. It was just sad.
We will be going to the Tech game in Nov......so far Texas is 0-2 in games we've attended......please God don't let it be 0-3

It is extremely predictable and not very inventive. On top of that when the play breaks down, the receivers just stand there and try to "box out" the defender. It is like they never work on scramble drill at all....EVER.

Matchups are hardly exploited. Formations are hardly shifted. The route tree is very generic. It's frustrating.

 

[weevilcatch]

Pick your blitz spots on down and distance,watch for screens,flat passes and attack and not stay in some retreating defense.I would rather lose that way than what Im seeing on defense.

Manny Diaz tried this...


Here's the thing...I'm not anti-4 man DL. But you're still going to have to play Nickel. Which means we have one less LB in lieu of another DL. While our LBs aren't world beaters, we are playing much better at that position than DL. So the question really is, do you want 2 or 3 LBs on the field? Because in the Big 12 you can't play with 4 in the secondary very much.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Our 4th DL should be a tall 6’4” - 6’6”, 275 -290 pound pass rusher. We should go to a 2 DT, 1 NT, 1 DE front. The persons described above are the DEs.

This would help with QB pressure & blitz packages from the LBs.

 

[weevilcatch]

Our 4th DL should be a tall 6’4” - 6’6”, 275 -290 pound pass rusher. We should go to a 2 DT, 1 NT, 1 DE front. The persons described above are the DEs.

This would help with QB pressure & blitz packages from the LBs.

So a 5 tech, 1 tech, 2 tech, and 3 tech? I think I'm not understanding what you're saying because that would get absolutely torched.

 

[clob94]

Let's do this. Let's just drop all eleven back and play zone defense with the entire team.

Sorta like 7 on 7.

 

[weevilcatch]

Let's do this. Let's just drop all eleven back and play zone defense with the entire team.

Sorta like 7 on 7.

Love it!

 

[LonghornMM]

Let's do this. Let's just drop all eleven back and play zone defense with the entire team.

Sorta like 7 on 7.

If Texas did this, they'd have the same efficiency on getting pressure on the QB as they do now with a three-man front, lol.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

So a 5 tech, 1 tech, 2 tech, and 3 tech? I think I'm not understanding what you're saying because that would get absolutely torched.

Nah. A base 4-3 defense on run downs with the option to replace 1 linebacker with a nickelback on passing downs. The defensive coordinator gets paid over a million a year to to study film on other teams and learn their passing/running formations and tendencies on downs.

In the Big 12, some teams (Iowa State, Kansas State, TCU) are not as much of a passing threat as others. Looking at the QB stats, we stink at defending the run & pass equally.

 

[dj701919]

So a 5 tech, 1 tech, 2 tech, and 3 tech? I think I'm not understanding what you're saying because that would get absolutely torched.

I think they just want to see another player with their hand on the ground. That is how they define fronts, how many people line up in a 3 point stance.