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Houston billionaire and UH Chairman of Board of Rgents (2.3 billion-Landry's & Golden Nugget) is lobbyig hard for the University of Houston. Apparently Fertitta and his billionaire brother of (UFC founder) pays a portion Tom Herman's salary with their own checkbooks.

http://www.cbssports.com/college-fo...r-makes-strong-case-for-houston-in-the-big-12


Coincidentally, University of Texas billionaire and biggest donor Red Mccombs agrees with Fertiitta, on adding Houston. Red Mccombs (1.7 billion) came out and expressed just days later that he thinks Houston is a good fit for the BIG 12 and that Texas needs to stay in the Big 12.

http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...add-houston-san-antonio-close-getting-raiders
 
Good thing neither of them have any say whatsoever.

Not happening. Houston does nothing for this conference's problems. Texas will leave this dump when the GOR is up, and Cougar High can take our place then if it so desires.
 
What are you talking about? Red Mccombs has a very big say, certainly more than anyone on this forum, or any Longhorn I can think of. He's the #1 Longhorn donor. The Business school is named after him..
 
No, he has no say whatsoever in the direction this conference will go with expansion. Absolutely none -- as in even less say than he had about Texas hiring Charlie Strong.
 
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The university presidents of the 10 member institutions are the ones that vote. UH has absolutely no say whatsoever and UT is only 1 vote out of 10.
 
Attacking Red Mccombs over the Big 12 Houston won't change the fact that Red has power and influence and you don't. Just relax and enjoy it
 
Red Mccombs gave the largest donation ever to our University and he was proven right for questioning the hiring of Charlie Strong who was hired for 1 reason. He was the best qualified black candidate to counter the Aggies having Sumlin who at the time appeared to be a slam dunk but was not. The real racist move was hiring Strong for being black.
 
What was McCombs racist rant? Are you talking about him not liking the Strong hire?
 
[QUOTE="TxKA_HoustonRed Mccombs gave the largest donation ever to our University and he was proven right for questioning the hiring of Charlie Strong who was hired for 1 reason. He was the best qualified black candidate to counter the Aggies having Sumlin who at the time appeared to be a slam dunk but was not. The real racist move was hiring Strong for being black.[/QUOTE]

Care to explain the below post from TEXAGS, considering you have the audacity to call Texas 'our university'? What a tool, how dumb do you think everyone is?

I think we need to investigate this relationship between Tilman Fertitta and Tom Herman. Mr. Fertitita owns Landry''s and is worth 2.3 billion, while his brother owns UFC and is worth 1.8 billion. If they are paying Tom Herman extra incentive under the table that must violate some NCAA rules. We need to go after him. I think Herman style would be a great fit for us even if he did attend TU. Herman has made statements sounding like he is really committed to Cougar High such that he wont leave unless UH takes step back from funding facilities. Makes no sense why a Longhorn alumni would be committed to Cougar High.
 
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What are you talking about? Red Mccombs has a very big say, certainly more than anyone on this forum, or any Longhorn I can think of. He's the #1 Longhorn donor. The Business school is named after him..
If Red McCombs had a say then Charlie Strong would not be the Coach at Texas. You have no idea how stupid it would be for the Big 12 to take Houston. They add NOTHING.
 
Red Mccombs gave the largest donation ever to our University and he was proven right for questioning the hiring of Charlie Strong who was hired for 1 reason. He was the best qualified black candidate to counter the Aggies having Sumlin who at the time appeared to be a slam dunk but was not. The real racist move was hiring Strong for being black.

Did you even get past first grade?

You are out of your fn mind.
 
Red Mccombs gave the largest donation ever to our University and he was proven right for questioning the hiring of Charlie Strong who was hired for 1 reason. He was the best qualified black candidate to counter the Aggies having Sumlin who at the time appeared to be a slam dunk but was not. The real racist move was hiring Strong for being black.
Figurelli?

Yeah, except Strong had skins on the wall as a HC (2 conference titles and a BCS win) while Drunklin has won exactly jack sh*t as a HC his entire career. So UT hired Strong based on accomplishments, the aggys are the ones who hired Rumlin based on race apparently. Which makes sense because that's how racist minds work.
 
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The deck is stacked with race cards when your called a racist just for saying we could have gotten Nick Saban instead of Strong. If Strong was the right guy for the job we would not be facing multiple seasons of losing records. Rumlin was a better hire than Strong if he could have kept his staff from Houston. Houston to the Big 12 is going to happen. They are the only option. I'm sure Strong is a nice guy and would make a great assistant or DC but he;s no head coach. We need to hire Tom Herman.
 
The deck is stacked with race cards when your called a racist just for saying we could have gotten Nick Saban instead of Strong. If Strong was the right guy for the job we would not be facing multiple seasons of losing records. Rumlin was a better hire than Strong if he could have kept his staff from Houston. Houston to the Big 12 is going to happen. They are the only option. I'm sure Strong is a nice guy and would make a great assistant or DC but he;s no head coach. We need to hire Tom Herman.
I don't know if you're really a Texas Ex or not, but if you are, maybe you should give your diploma back. Neither in this nor any alternate universe was Nick Saban coming to Texas.
 
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Even if Red could waive his magic wand and get Fenves and Perrin to vote for Houston to the big 12, UH would still need 7 more votes to get in.
 
The deck is stacked with race cards when your called a racist just for saying we could have gotten Nick Saban instead of Strong.

Stop using 'we' when everyone knows you are a fricken troll.
I don't know if you're really a Texas Ex or not, but if you are, maybe you should give your diploma back. Neither in this nor any alternate universe was Nick Saban coming to Texas.

Considering his posts on texags no way he is a UT alum or fan.
 
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McCombs comments on Strong weren't racist. Saying Strong is an affirmative action hire is ridiculous.

McCombs point was never that we could have gotten Saban. First if you subscribe we could have got Saban theory, then you recognize that our dragging out the Mack Brown situation is what gave Saban pause. McCombs was a major factor in the dragging out the Mack Brown firing. You know how he threatened to sue if Mack was fired. McCombs wanted them to go after Gruden which would have been horrible.
 
The deck is stacked with race cards when your called a racist just for saying we could have gotten Nick Saban instead of Strong. If Strong was the right guy for the job we would not be facing multiple seasons of losing records. Rumlin was a better hire than Strong if he could have kept his staff from Houston. Houston to the Big 12 is going to happen. They are the only option. I'm sure Strong is a nice guy and would make a great assistant or DC but he;s no head coach. We need to hire Tom Herman.
So much faceplant, so little time. :D
 
It's not going to happen with Texas still a part of the conference so its not worth arguing over. It's not about fit, they don't bring anything to the table other than further splitting the pie. The only way the Big 12 flourishes and becomes attractive for a network deal is by adding BIG names from out of state.


It's wishful thinking.


Red has zero influence on expansion or even coaching hires. He can either play along or take his toys and run. He's too proud to walk away...
 
What U of H officials (and apparently Red McCombs) don't understand is that, if the Big 12 ends up adding fewer than 4 teams (honestly, probably fewer than 6) and one of them is Houston, Texas will likely have 1 foot out the door, waiting for the opportune time to make the jump to the Pac 12 or Big 10 or something. I honestly have doubts about how much adding ANY of the available teams (i.e., teams not in a Power-5 conference already who aren't named Notre Dame) will help the Big 12, but if any teams ARE added (which, again, I think is a high-risk, low-reward venture overall) the goal has to be to expand the conference footprint to a population outside of the current Big 12 states. There's a bigger name school in Iowa, but outside of that we're about as good as we're going to get in the other 4 states the Big 12 has schools in. Would it help if Texas got back to playing for conference championships? Sure. But the state of Texas is covered. A lot. The only thing that would really help here is for the teams within the state to be even better than they currently are.

This isn't an insult to the University of Houston. Honestly, if the last round of Big 12 realignment had occurred now instead of when it did, it'd probably be a pretty open contest between whether to invite TCU or Houston (with Houston having some clear advantages in alumni and student body size potentially balancing out the longevity of TCU's current period of success). If that came up THIS YEAR, I could see it going either way. But... TCU got in already. And the simple fact is, the conference has 4 schools in the same state. And one of them, if they're winning, definitely gets viewers in the city of Houston.

Basically, I can't blame Houston for wanting in to the Big 12. But if they get in, that means the Big 12 said "oh well, we aren't getting into other markets... so we're giving up on trying to compete with the SEC, Big 10, and to a lesser extent the Pac 10 and ACC. And that would mean that the teams with the ability to leave once the GOR ends, would have to start considering their options. Houston getting into the conference that they want to get into, would basically leave the conference in a condition that they wouldn't really want to join it anyway.

If Houston were smart, they'd be looking at who they might take as a travel buddy (SMU? Tulane? Air Force? Boise State? UNLV?) that might appeal to the Pac 12 before Big 12 teams eventually reconsider that option. I'm not saying it would happen for sure, but the Pac 12 is fairly limited as far as options for expansion, if for no other reason than distance. They've clearly had an interest in getting into the Texas market several times in the past and they like their large metropolitan public schools. Houston might still not be their preferred Texas choice, but the city of Houston and the DFW metro area... (maybe even San Antonio, though UTSA has a TON of work to do for that) are probably the next-closest large market cities that border on their current footprint. Austin is in there too. The only competition to speak of, population wise, outside of Houston, DFW, San Antonio, and Austin are the much smaller cities of El Paso, Oklahoma City, Las Vegas, Albuquerque, and maybe Kansas City (and the schools in each of them are either less prepared to deliver a big market than UofH or are in the Big 12 currently). Again, it would be an outside chance for Houston to convince the Pac 12... but the net effect for the Pac 12 could be a positive, where as the net effect for the Big 12 would be the eventual dissolution of the Big 12 as a power conference or the relegation of the conference to a small, regional conference that can't keep up money-wise with everyone else.
 
Yup, as worthless as tits on a boar hog.



Red is 88, I doubt he is clear in his thought process or of sound mind, anymore.
 
... unless Red McCombs just wants Texas to move on from the Big 12. If that's what he wants, then adding Houston makes a lot of sense, because that would potentially be the next domino to fall if that's your agenda.

On one side you'd have the conference adding a team that doesn't expand the footprint, and therefor, doesn't expand the appeal for ESPN or Fox or whoever to take on a Big 12 Network.

On the other side you'd have the conference pushing for Texas to drop the LHN, meaning Texas would lose money the likes of which wouldn't be close to being made up for by their share of the LHN (even if it wasn't divided up equally).

The net result would be Texas saying "no, thanks, not while we're still in the conference" to the latter, and setting up their plans for when tv contracts are up for renewal.

"Congrats, Houston! You're in the Big 12... which, after 4+ teams decide to depart, is going to be looking at MWC and other AAC teams to fill out the ranks."
 
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What U of H officials (and apparently Red McCombs) don't understand is that, if the Big 12 ends up adding fewer than 4 teams (honestly, probably fewer than 6) and one of them is Houston, Texas will likely have 1 foot out the door, waiting for the opportune time to make the jump to the Pac 12 or Big 10 or something.

Texas, like OU, already has one foot out the door. Texas is also uninterested in adding any schools, because none of the realistically available schools do anything to address the Big 12's core problems. You can add schools in new markets, but those schools don't necessarily deliver those markets to any meaningful extent. Every realistic candidate would be a welfare case in the Big 12. Diluting this conference with a bunch of mid-majors with small to tiny fan bases is not going to make the Big 12 any more attractive to Texas for the long term.
 
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I'll be the 1st to admit that all this conference expansion talk makes my head spin. There doesn't appear to be 1 vastly superior option for UT here so I'm not sure where we'll end up but I have a few hunches which I'll share later.

But for now I can tell you this . . . I know damn well where we won't end up and that's in the Big 12 saddled up next to Houston High School.

So why do I think this? It's due to my perception of what UT really values: Maximizing . . . 1. Cash Flow/Brand Dev 2. Athletics dept and sports teams 3. Academic prestige and standing.

So more money, better sports teams and superior Academic standing. UH doesn't add any of these things for UT. In fact it could be argued UH would have a negative impact on money and academics. Sorry UH.

So what course of action offers these things 4 Texas? Not staying or expanding in the Big 12 that's for sure. Only by adding ND could that occur and that ain't happening. So my best guess is we're biding our time right now and looking to maximize our short term revenues via LHN $.

Long term I think we leave the Big 12 and go to the PAC or the BIG 10 or the ACC and I think the powers that be already understand this on some levels. In my opinion, when u keep ur cards close to the vest and stay quiet it's because u already know what ur gonna do and don't wanna tip ur hand. Texas is behaving this way now in all this expansion talk.

If I were to lay money on it, which I won't, I'd bet UT ends up in the PAC with academics being the difference maker there. Being associated with Cal Berkley and Stanford trumps anything in the BIG or ACC. Sorry Northwestern and Michigan and everyone in the ACC! And the SEC is a non starter IMO because of their cheating ways.

Like I said above there's no perfect slam dunk scenario but it's going to be fun watching all this happen anyway. Though major changes are probably still several years away. As 4 now . . . UT football is only 100 days away!!
 
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I have no say in what happens, so what I want means nothing. In its present state, I see nothing positive happening by adding Houston. They do not add anything the conference does not already have?

But, if you Texas guys are so hell bent on leaving the B12 anyway, why do you care who the B12 invites?
 
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