Russia doesn't have to "defend". Geography is their defense. Has been for 3000 years. You can't take Russia in one piece.
Iran vs Israel just got REAL
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The East is rising, brics. They want to be free from the dollar hegemony. Putin is leading the way. The world is rejecting our dei leadership.
This sounds bad. I'm going to hurry up and buy some more toilet paper.
Meh, if you run out of toilet paper, take a dump in your front yard and wipe with the hose and a brass nozel.... make sure not to use the lazer spray setting and hit your balz. Anyway, your neighbors will give you some TP from their stack. Problem solved.
Yes, the obvious answer is that each of these countries is afraid of what israel can do to them in a military context. primarily because neither lebanon no iran has a modern military capable of waging war with israel. So it's all posturing on their part. they certainly dont need the US to defend against middle eastern countries.
So to act like it's something i dont understand is condescending and unnecessary. i dont see what russia has to do with israel. or what incentive they have to f7ck with them. so i dont believe that for a second until i see it. i dont really care what happens in ukraine or in the middle east, a bunch of people who arent me. sucks to be them.
Speaking of attrition, russia is battling ukraine with grandpas, murderers and rapists. he's now having to consript people who have been charged with egregious crimes but not yet been convicted in court. if they join the army, they will have all charges dismissed. This is the attrition that is causing such desperation by comrade putin.
Putin is on record recognizing the power dynamic of nato and how much more of a capable military they are than what russia is capable of. He's on record talking about just the US defense spending alone makes up something like 35% of all world military spending and russia is 3.5%. he knows full well that nato is fully capable of destroying russia's ability to wage war with them without the use of nukes. "So are we going to war with nato with kind of ratio? It's just nonsense"- that's a direct quote from him.
From a conventional standpoint, we, him, me, you, nato- everyone knows the balance of power is tilted to the extreme toward nato. from the size of the military to the amount and quality equipment and production capacity. And nato doesnt have the need to conscript 50 yr old alcoholics and convicts to the front. I used to live in russia, you think the US has a low percentage of fighting capable people from 18-35? lol man, it's way way lower in russia. the quality of soldier over there is different. sure yeah they have special forces like everyone else. but the quality diminishes significantly after that. that's why they struggle so much with a ukraine military about on par with mexico.
what he does have is a nuclear deterrent. to deter from what i dont know, nobody wants to occupy russia or to annihilate them. they arent that important or strategically significant. but without the threat of nuclear oblivion, there'd be no need for this level of posturing. he's posturing for terms of an eventual cease fire and end to hostilities that would be as beneficial as possible to russia. his only leverage is the promise of escalating tensions, and involving nato into the conflict he started. He's made several 'red line' comments that we have since crossed, and there's been no retaliation, just more threats. though i think it's a bit troubling how fondly some people seem to be speaking of putin, almost praising him in a way.
speaking of worldwide gdp, texas has a higher gdp than russia. just texas alone. and russia has nearly 500% more poeople than texas, if that gives you any impression of how efficient the russian economy is.
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Hey dude nice cut and paste. I didn’t say it was efficient. I said facts - it’s #8 worldwide. Putin and his ilk are keeping it for ill usage. You’re also comparing Russia to Texas. Great. I never said anything about comparison to America. Russia is not a 3rd world economy and he has great power and impact worldwide. That was my response. Get lost.
What incentive does Russia have to fvck with Israel?
I'll tell you.
Keeping Europe from freezing.
Putin has been keeping Europe warm for quite some time. As Trump warned Germany, "You're stupid, because Putin can cut you off at any second."
Germany openly laughed at him during the UN meeting when he said that.
And what did Putin do 2 years later? Threatened to cut off Germany.
Leviathan takes that power and that money away from Putin. With 23 trillion mcf of gas, Leviathan can keep Europe warm for the next 50 years. And that gas field is owned by........ Chevron and Israel.
Interestingly, I read that the good ol USofA supports Lebannons claim to the Leviathan being in their territory.
Absolutely nothing is black & white over there. That's why tyrannical tribal rule seems to be the only sustained governance.
On 1 hand I want us to pull everything back and the rest of the world be damned. On the other hand, I'm ready to get this ww3 poppin so the victor gets to draw lines and make the rules.
Sooo, I keep to myself and protect my inner circle while the rest of the world figures out what it wants to do. Followers of the good book will tell you JC is about to return and divide the sheep.
russian gas has kept europe warm, not putin. they need the gas, russia needs the money, it's a business relationship.
what good is a threat that isnt followed through ? Meanwhile germany still gets gas from russia, years later, still getting the gas. they need the money. putin makes lots of threats, or in this case, bluffs. how many red lines have been crossed now? i lost count. seems to be an empty threat if they are afraid that germany or the eu would get their gas elsewhere.
The whole point i am making with this and other posts is to illustrate the position russia is in, they dont have much leverage. and they are being embarrassed on the battle field by a bunch of old out of shape ukrainians. and they are becoming more desperate to save face. using soviet era tanks and unreliable north korean munitions. which only comes to show how they would fare in a real war with a real modern, and well equipped military alliance. and he knows it.
In fact a direct quote from him "Of course nato and russia potentials are incomparable...we understand it" he then goes on to say that they have nukes. that's his only leverage, the threat of using nukes. that's how weak his position is. of course this would end all life on earth and i dont believe he's ready to do that. because the first nuke launched would be his, not ours.
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nah man i wrote all that myself. though i appreciate the compliment. #8 worldwide? cool, right behind texas and california. You dont see how the russian economy is a joke, do you?
I compare russian gdp to the texas gdp to illustrate how down bad russia always has been. that a nation of 144 million gets outproduced by a state of 30 million. did you know the average income in russia is 15k a year? it's lower if you dont live in moscow or st pete. i bet you make that in 2 months. even the japanese gdp is 2x that of russia and 3x when you look at their PPP. and it's a freaking island the size of california. they have to import almost everything. the power and impact of russia lies soley in the fact that they are a nuclear armed nation who has a propensity to bully others. that and they are absolutely elite propogandists. not because they are an economic power. that's china.
You have clearly never been to russia. i bet you see specifically curated photos of moscow and you think this is how all russians live.
I am aware, but your response falls flat.
nobody wants a world war because only people in well situated bunkers will survive. it wont matter what the borders are after that
Took awhile to respond. How many times did you write, read, and edit? Me thinks you just like hearing yourself. Static noise. I’ve said it before you’re just a buzz kill.
I don't think that anyone disagrees with the Russian position. The West has feared Russia for centuries. I don't think Putin needs to save face, his inferior army is defeating Western equipment at an astonishing clip..... They are doing well enough to beat the West at the moment. He isn't going to attack his best customer. However, he does want to put all competition out of business. The war in the Middle East is Russia's proxy war against a competitor, Israel. Israel is a Western country in the East with a huge gas field off the coast. The East Med pipeline has been constructed. All they need to do to supplant Russia as Europe's main supplier is to expand the capacity, drill more, and undercut Russia's price, which they will do. To underestimate Russia is stupid. They may not have the trans warriors or fat camps that we do but they do have people who are hardened by poverty. They are tougher than the Western soldiers. As sophisticated no, but their average soldier is thin, strong, and survives on much less than the newly minted marines from the latest fat camp. How do I know this, last week a marine recruit asked to swim with my son's swim team to get in shape, but he couldn't do it. I felt bad for him when pre-teens lapped him in the pool. He is going to be a pilot in the Marines.
It amazes me that folks are ignoring the 2 greatest failures of the current administration...to keep America safe and protected.
FEMA cannot provide relief for hurricane victims......and even bigger and more ignored....at a time the middle east is blowing up...our oil reserve has been drained for selfish political reasons... shameful
FEMA cannot provide relief for hurricane victims......and even bigger and more ignored....at a time the middle east is blowing up...our oil reserve has been drained for selfish political reasons... shameful
this has nothing to do with current US leadership. brics has been around for 15 years
there is nothing to fear about russia. they dont have the ability nor do they have the money and weaponry required to wage a full out war with a modern military. The best equalizer he has is nukes, but they cant be used, as it would end all life on earth. so it's not the deterrent he hoped it would be, considering how the ukranians were able to so easily occupy russian territory.
His inferior army is decimated to the point he's going into jails and prisons and bribing murderers and rapists to fight on the front. and he's making htem fight with soviet era and north korean munitions.
were you really unaware of that? if what you say is true "his inferior army is defeating Western equipment at an astonishing clip." there wouldnt be ukrainian soldiers occupying parts of russia. in fact, he'd have already installed a new government in kyiv, if what you said is true. but as you can see, it is not.
putin himself is on record, i can share the transcript if you like, acknowledging the vast gulf in military capability that exists between russia and nato.
based on your descriptions of russian soldiers and people in russia, it sounds like you've never been there. I lived there for 3 years teaching english, so i had ton of conversations with russians, including those in the military and based on what I have seen first hand, i could not disagree with you more about the military readiness and mindset of russian GIs
Americans defending russian aggression and fawning over their dictator. and a seemingly conservative at that! what a time to be alive!
you ignored what I said, maybe you just forgot to read my post. so i will share again. Please address the content of what you see below:
nah man i wrote all that myself. though i appreciate the compliment. #8 worldwide? cool, right behind texas and california. You dont see how the russian economy is a joke, do you?
I compare russian gdp to the texas gdp to illustrate how down bad russia always has been. that a nation of 144 million gets outproduced by a state of 30 million. did you know the average income in russia is 15k a year? it's lower if you dont live in moscow or st pete. i bet you make that in 2 months. even the japanese gdp is 2x that of russia and 3x when you look at their PPP. and it's a freaking island the size of california. they have to import almost everything. the power and impact of russia lies soley in the fact that they are a nuclear armed nation who has a propensity to bully others. that and they are absolutely elite propogandists. not because they are an economic power. that's china.
You have clearly never been to russia. i bet you see specifically curated photos of moscow and you think this is how all russians live.
I am aware, but your response falls flat.
The West seized Russian assets to be used against Russia. Brics was an idea 15 years ago, countries are now acting on moving out of the dollar as the reserve currency because of our totalitarianism. The World is bifurcating... even the liberal man bun (Peter Ziehan) agrees.
The mercenaries in Kursk didn't do well. Cities are falling in Ukraine daily. I am not a fan of Russia or Putin nor am I a fan of the liberal regime in DC. Trump is a Zionist lap dog, I'm not thrilled. Aipac and its financiers run this country. My family and I choose not to participate, comply, or support it.
Ivan,
brics was a real thing 15 years ago, it was but a mere idea 23 years go before the founding countries agreed to sign their establishing documents, thusly necessarily becoming the brics acronym it stands for. it has nothing to do with dei, which you would have had me believe if i didnt know any better. It has everything to do with them developing their own power dynamic to fight the increasing influence of the west/nato. if you recall, a bunch of former soviet bloc nations joined nato in 2004. it has nothing to do with the current or any past administrations. it's bigger than that. by now it has become a geopolitical bloc since russia has no other allies except for north korea on paper.
by the way what kind of retard sh8t is this? you think we live under totalitarianism? jesus christ dude. get a passport and get out of the US and see for yourself what that actually looks like. try voting for the president in china. in russia you will get arrested just for wearing yellow and blue shoes and you will be imprisoned for 12 years for donating $50 to ukraine. nobody gives a sh8t about that petty stuff in the US. totalitarian dictators do though, even in your beloved mother russia.
The anti-globalists do not like the USD being the fiat currency. Then there's some that do....... I detest globslism. A coca-cola in Budapest should not cost the same as a coca-cola in Bangkok. Yes, I understand the economic subtleties involved when you talk about globalism and economics. There isn't a European nation that I have not spent a significant amount of time in.
But Europe has muted itself economically by forming the EU. Their goal was to increase purchasing power and have greater global economic influence.
And what has that done for them? Little. Very little. Why? Because Europeans (on the whole) are fvcking broke. They are taxed out their asses and have little or no expendable income.
Here is a perfect example of what happens when you cede government control to the institution instead of the people.
Did you know it's now illegal to build a fireplace in a home in France?
Illegal. You have to acquire a permit to do so. Even if you live in the country. Old homes with fireplaces are grandfathered in..... but new homes--- no fireplace.
Why?
The government will tell you it's because of smoke and CO2 and all that bullsh!t. But the reality is-- they want you to stay warm with the power they provide you. They don't want you being independent. Yup.
Now that's a small thing- but it's a microcosm of what Europe has become. And after 2000 years of wars and revolutions, they have made the population pacifists. They've disarmed them. Taken away their testicles. Made them boot-makers for Brussels politicians.
The globalists are aligned with Ukraine. Why? Money and money laundering. It's the only reason. Nobody gives a solid sh!t about Russia's military capabilities save their nuclear arsenal. But the globalists want Russia to fall so they can get their grubby fvcking paws on ALL that oil and gas up in Siberia. They want the farmland. They want the Eurasian land bridge to China.
This isn't a war between Russia and Ukraine. It's a proxy war between the haves, and the have nots.
Dick Chain, I told you that I am not a fan of the Russians, get that idea out of your dick loving mouth and pull your head out of your ass. It's the socially liberal neocon fuktards and their financier banking buddies that own this country. I know, you are one of them. You probably have money tied up in the stonk market etc etc.... You love some dead people as long as you benefit. Do you think Gen Z or whatever young people are called like the system we have that enriches bankers and their friends in Israel? They can't buy a house, a new car, start a family, or much else.... Your globalist buddies have won the game or at least they think so.... FYI.. your buddies in Israel are about to get wiped out. There are going to be so many dead zionists that we'll have to quit counting. Biden just yanked the choke chain because your dems aren't getting the muslim vote and are losing badly in the polls. Israel can't attack the Iranian oil fields because that would doom kumswalla. I am not a fan of Trump's zionist love but he has no choice, he needs their money to get elected. It won't matter, the American people will turn on Israel soon, it's coming.
Putin says 'check mate' from his third world dump in Moscow. Now we wait for the Shias to attack.
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And here I was thinking it was because your neighbor might have an exceptionally flammable thatched roof.
Similarly stupid, back in the day (late 90s early 00s) you had to pay an annual tv tax in the UK...per tv......antenna tv. I think it was something like 50£ b&w or 100£ for color. The bobby's had a handheld gadget that could check signals from outside.
But...but...the occupants of the White House and their press secretary w the fluttery eye lashes said (reusing their standard talk), "that's misinformation".
I dont care what the anti globalists want, or what the globalists want. I dont care that their agenda bothers you, everyone has an agenda.
Anyway the topic is brics- I'm just explaining that brics is a 20 year old concept that wasnt created because of the current geopolitical state of affairs. this is russia's way of combating the west with an alliance of their own, since they have no real allies. I dont care about all the other stuff you are whining about sir.
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