It's time to Fire Tom Herman......

[LonghornMM]

Why is it crazy to think they’d win 2 of those games? You see upsets evver week in college football Iowa just beat Ohio stste by 40. Baylor who hasn’t won a game all year took OU to overtime. Anyone can beat anyone. Theybwould win a couple of those games. They’d beat Maryland and I’d give them a good shot in an OU and TCU games.

Gotta go back to the Strong lover stuff when you can’t win an argument huh? I know you hate Stromg for whatever reason but fact is we’re in the same spot with Herman we have been with Stromg the last few years. Struggling to get to 6-6. You may like the way we’re losing better this year but we’re still losing. Will it improve from here? We will see but to act like that’s a forgone conclusion is crazy. Your view that Herman is a massive upgrade over Strong isn’t supported by results right now,and continuing to call me a strong lover isn’t gonna change that I don’t know if your hatred for Strong is personal or what but you’ll be a lot happier if you get over it.

By the way this isn’t about USF either. I’d give UCF and Memphis a couple wins in those games to.

"Can't win an argument with you"? Now that's laughable. You're clueless about what you talk about here, Ryan. Some of your posts are from outer space. I don't hate Strong at all. I think he's a good guy. He was an absolute failure here and he needed to be fired. Any sane, savvy person who understands football can see how Herman works and his approach to the game. Too many people like you want to fire the coach after one season. That shows that you don't have an understanding of the game and that you're impatient. Now, after at least three seasons and Texas isn't headed in the right direction, then by all means, Herman should be gone.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

and offer $20MM to Saban. There you go. Problem solved.

LOL these are the days we live in now. I'll tell you why Saban wouldn't take this job because of fans like you. Why would he leave a cush job to come to a fan base that has no patience? He's a god in Alabama and in fact why would any high profile coach come to UT with fans like you?

 

[Steve91562]

It's not about talent; it's about a culture change. It takers awhile for players to buy in.

 

[bubba2023]

Step 1. Fire Herman
Step 2. Offer Saban 20mm
Step 3. ??
Step 4. Profit

 

[12375CAT]

 

[TexExSpur]

Fans are friggin' hilarious! This team lacks OL play, they are not going to beat better teams that actually play defense. lol... Games are won and lost in the friggin' trenches.

James Franklin, a former OC, a offensive mind, went 14-12 in his first two season...Don't look now, they're winning in year three. Or you could have Sumlin who stepped in with a generational talent at QB with three 1st round OL and won big in year 1 and declined ever since. Sumlin is 3-11 at Pyle field.

Chill folks, this crew is headed in the right direction.

Beat KU get back to .500 and finish out the season with a win over one of TT and WV to get the extra practice time and a bowl for the seniors. Move forward from there.

Saban/Meyer/Dabo/GP/Herman/ you insert what ever name you'd like...Will/would struggle to produce Offense with the current cast of characters on the OL.

Nickelson (LMAO, this guy is a joke), Vahe (struggling without Williams to make him look good), Cuney (Nickname: Cuney Island / Lost), McMillon (ERod backup) and Kerstetter (true freshmen)

 

[LonghornMM]

Step 1. Fire Herman
Step 2. Offer Saban 20mm
Step 3. ??
Step 4. Profit

There is zero chance that Texas fires Herman after one season, and there is zero chance that Saban leaves Alabama for Texas. That ship sailed several years ago when it was handled poorly when the opportunity was there.

 

[bubba2023]

If Saban won't come, just offer Meyer or Peterson. You are getting too hung up on the details the plan is simple.

 

[CoachEmUp64]

we sound like a bunch of aggys

 

[diadevic]

If Saban won't come, just offer Meyer or Peterson. You are getting too hung up on the details the plan is simple.

Meyer is the 2nd best in the business and just choked up 50+ to Iowa, and got creamed by OU. There is no sure thing. LonghornMM - please keep a comprehensive list of those calling for the firing so we can have a good laugh over the coming years.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

we sound like a bunch of aggys

I don't include myself in those "fire Tom Herman" fans. You can call out those aggyish Longhorns.

 

[bubba2023]

Meyer is the 2nd best in the business and just choked up 50+ to Iowa, and got creamed by OU. There is no sure thing. LonghornMM - please keep a comprehensive list of those calling for the firing so we can have a good laugh over the coming years.

Fine since you've convinced me Meyer sucks because he has lost multiple games in his career then go for Belechik and hire Brady as the QB coach. We are Texas.

 

[LonghornMM]

If Saban won't come, just offer Meyer or Peterson. You are getting too hung up on the details the plan is simple.

Its a moot point. Texas is NOT going to fire Herman after only one year.

 

[TexExSpur]

Fine since you've convinced me Meyer sucks because he has lost multiple games in his career then go for Belechik and hire Brady as the QB coach. We are Texas.

I enjoyed the humor and sarcasm.

 

[ryan_sublett]

The idea of firing Herman is pretty silly. However the idea that there isn’t reason for concern and this is all part of some master plan. Is equally silly.

Weather people want to admit it or not year 1 of Tom Herman is starting to look a lot like year 1 of Charlie Strong. After year 1 of Strong we were 6-6, 5-4 in the big 12. The bowl game was a disaster and finished 6-7. It was clear Stromg needed to make a change on staff especially at OC, we all knew Watson wasn’t going to work the day he was hired. but we had a good recruiting class coming in so there was hope and that class has turned out pretty good. Certainly better than some of the last 4-5 years.

Now let’s look at where we are with year one of Tom Herman coming to a close. Probably looking at 6-6 at best could very well be 5-7. Offense has been terrible. Probably need a different OC. Yes there has been OL issues and injuries. But man when you can’t score 2TDs off a team that just gave up 70. It’s hard to boil that down to just OL and injuries. But like in year 1 of Charlie Strong we have a good recruiting class coming in.

Strong elected not to fire Watson at the end of the season. Ended up having to make the change a couple weeks in to next year. After a disaster of an opener. and was really the beginning of the end. We will see what choices Herman makes. I’d rather him not repeate history.

I’d be careful with goal posts movement. When Strong was fired the narrative was “hey Texas has the talent they need better coaching” Herman was goimg to bring that and thus we’d win a few more games. Now that hasn’t happen it’s “injuries, he needs his own players, we lost close”. Had a lot of close losses in year 2 of Stromg as well. Those didn’t turn in to wins year 3.

I said yesterday that Tom Herman was in over his head. That wasn’t meant to be an insult. He should be in over his head. He’s been a HC for 3 seasons, and let’s be honest 1/2 way though last year he was packing for Austin. We don’t know what kind of coach Herman really is. The guy hasn’t even coached a team recruited by him yet... not just at Texas but anywhere. You look at the top teams battling for the playoff. Most of the head coaches have a good amount of expierence. The two that don’t got dropped in to ready made jobs(UGA and OU) opoertunity like that doesn’t come up often. So yeah Herman is feeling his way out. That’s not an insult. He’s not ready for this job yet. I imagine if you went to Mack Brown and said “hey Mack would you of been ready to jump from Tulane to Texas. He probably would tell you hell no!

So while Herman being fired this year is just stupid to bring up... let’s not act like there aren’t some red flags here. and I can promise you this Herman better win the Maryland game to open 2018... he loses that things are gonna get awfully uncomfortable.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Its a moot point. Texas is NOT going to fire Herman after only one year.

I think Bubba is using sarcasm.

 

[TexExSpur]

He's going with the hand he was dealt brotha. He has the OL he has and that is the weakest link, period. This team with healthy OL depth is 6-3 to 7-2 type team based on the current schedule.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

The idea of firing Herman is pretty silly. However the idea that there isn’t reason for concern and this is all part of some master plan. Is equally silly.

Ryan it's down right stupid to fire your coach after 1 year (unless he's a pedophile/murderer/drunk etc...) and just because Strong went 6-6 the first year does not mean they are the same person or coach.

No one said this is a "master plan" that would be stupid just like making a thread about firing Tom Herman. Who wants to lose and use that as their "master plan" at the collegiate level? You don't gain anything from it like a draft pick! You could lose recruits that way in fact. So who's acting like it's a "master plan"?

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I seriously can't wait to start winning 10 games a season so the same people can whine about not winning conference championships every year or NC's every other.

 

[TexExSpur]

Strong got embarrassed repeatedly and went 16-21. Thus far, THIS season under Herman has played out as I figured it would except for the fact I didn't think they had a chance versus USC, OU and OSU and boy did they ever fool me.

My preseason prediction was 7-5 which included a victory over Maryland so yes, in my mind they're on pace for 6-6.

5-7 would be a big disappointment based on how the team has played, other than that. 6-6 or 7-5 makes little difference to me. Take the extra practice time, prep for the bowl, win that and finish 7-6 or 8-5 to further build on.

 

[TexExSpur]

Herman just hit the nail on the head in his presser.

Tom Herman with some real talk: "The biggest thing we can do as a staff is mask the deficiencies as a staff as best we can."

This is your OL woes, people!

Texas averaging 2.9 yards per rush vs Power 5 teams, third worst among Power 5 teams.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Ryan it's down right stupid to fire your coach after 1 year (unless he's a pedophile/murderer/drunk etc...) and just because Strong went 6-6 the first year does not mean they are the same person or coach.

No one said this is a "master plan" that would be stupid just like making a thread about firing Tom Herman. Who wants to lose and use that as their "master plan" at the collegiate level? You don't gain anything from it like a draft pick! You could lose recruits that way in fact. So who's acting like it's a "master plan"?

i beleive that’s what I said.

And while those that are saying the recored of 6-6 being the same doesn’t necessarily mean anything. It’s not just the recored that’s the same. Herman faces a lot of the same decssions Strong did after year 1. Strong’s decssion to double down on Watson was effectively the end of his tenure. At least the beginning of the end. Is Herman goimg to make the same call? We will see... certainly in his press conference today he seemed firmly behind Beck. Not sure if that means anything. We will have to see

Strong’s blowout losses were certainly a factor in the fast decline of his tenure, but at the end of the day L’s are L’s. A 50-7 loss to TCU and a 25-7 loss to TCU count the same. One maybe makes us feel better but it’s still a loss.

Like I said suggesting Herman be fired after this year is Stupid, but being a skeptic of Herman is certainly warranted. Look if he comes out next year wins some games and shows improvement this is all for not. If he doesn’t it will be time to have the conversation if he’s the answer.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Strong’s blowout losses were certainly a factor in the fast decline of his tenure, but at the end of the day L’s are L’s. A 50-7 loss to TCU and a 25-7 loss to TCU count the same. One maybe makes us feel better but it’s still a loss.

I'm thinking other things were involved besides losses. Look I get it as a fan we just look at the records but I'm going to assume that his boss or bosses probably didn't like how things were being ran as well. Maybe they had a hard time digesting his vision or maybe he wasn't prepared or detailed enough for them. Obviously losses are part of that and there's just only so much people are going to take but he had 3 seasons to make a difference and we didn't see that 6-6, 5-7 and 5-7. If this happens to TH then ok it's time for him to go but what I'm seeing are fans lumping the losing seasons to TH before he even got here. That's why you see the Fire TH threads. Tom can't help that Strong had a losing record for back to back seasons.

Aaaaaand another thread get's created about the same crap.

 

[TexExSpur]

I'll go ahead and mention that the OL sucks, Oh wait. Already done that. 28 sacks allowed for a net loss of 197 yards, not far from the worst in the nation.

Games are won and lost in the trenches, rinse and repeat.

 

[txn_in_wa]

LOL these are the days we live in now. I'll tell you why Saban wouldn't take this job because of fans like you. Why would he leave a cush job to come to a fan base that has no patience? He's a god in Alabama and in fact why would any high profile coach come to UT with fans like you?

I am assuming you haven't read the entire thread where I said this later on........"Anyone heard of sarcasm? In the game thread, I heard people talking of TH's tenure potentially being short lived and going after ISU's coach. Do changes need to be made, yes? But I'm not crazy."

I have no desire for TH to be let go, I was mocking the fans that are already jumping on the fire TH bandwagon after 9 games.

 

[diadevic]

i beleive that’s what I said.

And while those that are saying the recored of 6-6 being the same doesn’t necessarily mean anything. It’s not just the recored that’s the same. Herman faces a lot of the same decssions Strong did after year 1. Strong’s decssion to double down on Watson was effectively the end of his tenure. At least the beginning of the end. Is Herman goimg to make the same call? We will see... certainly in his press conference today he seemed firmly behind Beck. Not sure if that means anything. We will have to see

Strong’s blowout losses were certainly a factor in the fast decline of his tenure, but at the end of the day L’s are L’s. A 50-7 loss to TCU and a 25-7 loss to TCU count the same. One maybe makes us feel better but it’s still a loss.

Like I said suggesting Herman be fired after this year is Stupid, but being a skeptic of Herman is certainly warranted. Look if he comes out next year wins some games and shows improvement this is all for not. If he doesn’t it will be time to have the conversation if he’s the answer.

Strong took over a team that was one half away from winning the conference. Herman took over a team that is coming off of 3 straight losing seasons. Herman will exceed victory totals for the last two years. He has mixed in two tough OT losses to superior teams due to horrific mistakes by a true freshman QB. Yes, those types of losses to better teams DO make me feel better that progress is being made. Anyone who can't see an upward trajectory doesn't want to see an upward trajectory.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I am assuming you haven't read the entire thread where I said this later on........"Anyone heard of sarcasm? In the game thread, I heard people talking of TH's tenure potentially being short lived and going after ISU's coach. Do changes need to be made, yes? But I'm not crazy."

I have no desire for TH to be let go, I was mocking the fans that are already jumping on the fire TH bandwagon after 9 games.

Hard to read sarcasm on this board when people are actually serious about what your thread topic is about. My bad!

No I didn't see your post about sarcasm.

 

[bubba2023]

This isn't the NFL where wins and losses are created equal. We don't get select our players from a structured draft, based on our previous years record. Nor do we get to offer them more money to attract them away (at least not in public) We have to be able to sell the program in order attract the better players. When selling the program it's a hell of a lot easier to sell wins for sure (that plan A for most programs), but after that it's a hell of a lot easier to sell a close loss than a behind the woodshed beat down. In that respect all losses aren't created equal.

Not that I am 100% convinced Herman is the man, but this whole a loss is a loss shtick is dumb.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I'll go ahead and mention that the OL sucks, Oh wait. Already done that. 28 sacks allowed for a net loss of 197 yards, not far from the worst in the nation.

Games are won and lost in the trenches, rinse and repeat.

The OL sucks, but come on. We scored 10 points of a team that gave up 70 to OU Saturday. OL is certainly a factor in that but it’s not the only problem.

As anwar pointed out in live chat after the press conference there isn’t many players on offense that are better today vs last year. Coaches have to take some responsibility on that.

 

[ryan_sublett]

This isn't the NFL where wins and losses are created equal. We don't get select our players from a structured draft, based on our previous years record. Nor do we get to offer them more money to attract them away (at least not in public) We have to be able to sell the program in order attract the better players. When selling the program it's a hell of a lot easier to sell wins for sure (that plan A for most programs), but after that it's a hell of a lot easier to sell a close loss than a behind the woodshed beat down. In that respect all losses aren't created equal.

Not that I am 100% convinced Herman is the man, but this whole a loss is a loss shtick is dumb.

And for those reasons he gets a pass for year 1, but eventually coaches are judged on wins and losses regardless of other factors. Boosters,ADs and fan bases are becoming less patient to. Look what just happened at Flordia.

 

[TexExSpur]

The OL sucks, but come on. We scored 10 points of a team that gave up 70 to OU Saturday. OL is certainly a factor in that but it’s not the only problem.

As anwar pointed out in live chat after the press conference there isn’t many players on offense that are better today vs last year. Coaches have to take some responsibility on that.

As do the players, the WR's often run lazy routes, every pass was contested on Saturday, The OL gives the QB regardless of whom is back there, zero time for a play to develop and I could go on for days. Anwar is a frggin' tool bag and has never come across as someone that knows jack shit about the game or development of players. (this, they guy that ran with the malik Jefferson/Tom Herman disconnect) He says I, he says we and yet it somehow gets overlooked...

28 sacks, worst unit in the Big 12. If Shane had 4-5 seconds versus 3, it helps in his ability to run and get rid of the ball.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Has this year been a disappointment? Yes. Give Herman time. Year 2 is not going to be easy but let's hope we can get to 8 wins and 2 top 5 classes. If he can make this happen, then the good ol day won't be too far off. Go run around the block and relax.

 

[TexExSpur]

Our Big Uglies, it's ugly: It is what it is folks... Starters underlined. Scholarship players.

SR:
Nickelson played in 9 games, current LT, he's bad but the best we've got, sad?

JR:
Anderson played 1 game
Cuney played 5 games, current Center. Serviceable? Cuney Island.
McMillon played 8 games, current RG. Struggling
Rodriguez out for season
Vahe played 9 games current LG and best player on the OL
Williams played 3 games, currently out

SOPH:
Okafor played 8 games, struggeling
Shackelford, played in 6 games, banged up
Thomas played 0 games, hurt

REDSHIRT FRESH:
Hudson played 2 games, out for season
Imade 0 games, was moved to DL and back to OL
Urquidez played 1 game

FRESH:
Cosmi on the road to Red Shirt
Kerstetter forced to play as best option at RT, current RT

 

[ryan_sublett]

Our Big Uglies, it's ugly: It is what it is folks... Starters underlined. Scholarship players.

SR:
Nickelson played in 9 games, current LT, he's bad but the best we've got, sad?

JR:
Anderson played 1 game
Cuney played 5 games, current Center. Serviceable? Cuney Island.
McMillon played 8 games, current RG. Struggling
Rodriguez out for season
Vahe played 9 games current LG and best player on the OL
Williams played 3 games, currently out

SOPH:
Okafor played 8 games, struggeling
Shackelford, played in 6 games, banged up
Thomas played 0 games, hurt

REDSHIRT FRESH:
Hudson played 2 games, out for season
Imade 0 games, was moved to DL and back to OL
Urquidez played 1 game

FRESH:
Cosmi on the road to Red Shirt
Kerstetter forced to play as best option at RT, current RT

All true. Corner Williams played against Maryland though. As did a couple others and the offense wasn’t very good in that game either. So again it’s not all offensive line. There are a lot of other issues going on to. The play calling, receivers regressing, weird use or non use of players.

People are buying the OL excuse for now, but if this class stays the way it is with only 2 o lineman, and he keeps Beck,and there isn’t much improvement on offense or the win column the heat is gonna be on Herman pretty hard. When a team sucks on the HC’s side of the ball it gets hard to sell.

 

[LonghornMM]

All true. Corner Williams played against Maryland though. As did a couple others and the offense wasn’t very good in that game either. So again it’s not all offensive line. There are a lot of other issues going on to. The play calling, receivers regressing, weird use or non use of players.

People are buying the OL excuse for now, but if this class stays the way it is with only 2 o lineman, and he keeps Beck,and there isn’t much improvement on offense or the win column the heat is gonna be on Herman pretty hard. When a team sucks on the HC’s side of the ball it gets hard to sell.

Ryan, just stop. You keep repeating the same nonsense over and over and over and over. SMDH.