Kingsbury talks about Manziel
- Thread starter DHHorn
- Start date
Well fella, I'm 39 years old. I have been a HC in multiple sports at the HS and college level. If you think putting in energy to consume yourself in every tiny aspect of what makes each college unique is not necessary then you have your answer as to why your school is always second fiddle.
"Wanting" to win is not enough. Who in the hell doesn't "want" to win? lol. Like one of my college coaches told me once (he actually coached at A&M for a time)..."Everything counts to someone" Meaning, you may think it is minuscule and trivial, but understand it means something to someone.
Direct quote from Jackie Sherrill
"The infrastructure is only part of it. There are many things it takes to win a championship. If you have all of them aligned, then it’s easy to win a championship. If you don’t have them then you look around the country at championship-winning schools and realize they have the administration, the faculty, the student body, the former students, the coaches, and they have the media all going in the right direction."
Loving yourself and money and just "wanting" to win will get Jimbo and the Aggie fan base a whole bunch more of 8-5.
Any list of coaches right now would consider Jimbo a top coach, but like I said I haven't been as impressed and it has nothing to do with A&M. He's a proven do less with more coach, and I wonder how much of his success is just being in the right place at the right time. There are probably several other coaches who would have done as good or better in his same shoes.
As far as your guess on Gundy, Patterson, and Herman.....let's ask a somewhat neutral third party. I googled top coach list for this year and took the first one I saw, which is a CBS sports writer list. It's a list of average rank of all 65 Power Five coaches among a group CBS sports' college writers such as Tom Fornelli, Jerry Palm, Barton Simmons...etc....Definitely not anywhere near an exact science but averages out a consensus of numerous minds whose job is to cover college football. So..
-as anyone with a brain should expect, both Gary Patterson (#6) and Gundy (#11) were considered top coaches
-Herman at #28, which was the same ranking this same list had him for 2017. So after his inaugural year at Texas he held even.
-Fisher was at #4, which is no surprise. He will land inside the top 10 on just about anyone's list b/c of 2013 and Jameis Winston
-my thoughts on the SEC coaching landscape were reflected as I expected in this list:
-five of the 14 SEC coaches fell in the bottom ten of all 65 coaches. That would be 36% of the conference's coaches are bottom of the barrel right now.
-a step even further, seven of the SEC's 14 coaches were ranked 50th or worse. That means a full half of the SEC coaches fall in the bottom 20%
-by comparison, only one Big 12 coach fell in the bottom ten or even ranked 50th or worse: David Beaty @ Kansas
-On the front side of the rankings: The SEC had 5/14 coaches ranked in the top 15, or 36% of SEC coaches. The Big 12 had 4/10 coaches in the top 15, or 40%.
Link: https://www.cbssports.com/college-f...ge-football-coaches-entering-the-2018-season/
Last edited:
I think you are 100% correct if we were discussing the high school level. Or even small college or a non-revenue sport at a major university. Only a few hundred people really give a shit. It is not the same as running a $150M+ a year business. He is being paid handsomely to form the culture of his program, to lead it not follow.
These guys are professionals, they don't teach history or math half the day. They spend 80+ hours a week on football and football related crap.
If Jimbo knows every yell, becomes a fish camp instructor, and loves aggieland with all his heart, he will still get fired if his team sucks. If he is a good Aggie and we suck for years, I'll help pack his shit. If he is a total prick and we win, I will love the guy.
What I'm telling you is not that he has to be leading midnight yell. What I'm saying is he needs to understand it. I'm obviously not saying he needs to become a fish camp instructor, but he needs to understand it.
It is the "all in" mentality. "Row the boat" mentality. "Doing all the little things" mentality.
I'm not sure why you think building an elite program will be just Jimbo and his staff going to practice and watching film. It is SO MUCH more than that.
Does anyone remember the two things Mack did when he got to Texas? Or what Mack told Herman to do?
You may think things like Howard's Rock, and Orange pants at Clemson are trivial but Dabo Swinney would disagree with you.
I could go on, but I feel I would be wasting my time....
Hey Metcalf isn't Pedersen an NFL coach
As to who is on my top ten coaches list. First of all Saban, Dabo, and Urban are on the list no questions asked. I think Smart needs a few more seasons like last year before he should be in the top ten.
But let me tell you who should be the 4th coach on this list I'm talking about Chris Petersen at WA. He's shown me that what he did at Boise was no fluke he's more than capable of taking a P5 schedule and taking them to a championship like I think they can this year.
If you're not noticing Chris Petersen you better start doing so.
And if you still don't think Chris Petersen isn't a top ten coach just ask Bob Stoops.
I was talking about Chris Peterson, sorry. No explanation why I got the names confused, because I don't have one. Lol
Oh and btw, sorry I don't need to wait two years to put Smart in the top 5. I think we all knew what he was gonna do when he got a head coaching job, and he's already proven us right. It's not like he just came outta nowhere and shocked us all.
Well that makes sense : ) And when I think of Chris Petersen I always think of Oklahoma and the statue of liberty I will lol forever : l
Well we have 5 coaches who deserve consideration in the top ten. And let me name number 6. David Shaw at ST. Bryce Love is the preseason favorite for the Heisman. DS is an outstanding coach and imho, ST has a real chance of being in a P6 bowl game this year.
Damn, forgot about Shaw. He has to in the top 5 somewhere. Maybe I'll drop Swinney in favor of Shaw. Just because I can't stand Dabo the wonder douche.
Last edited:
I am pretty sure you are right, I actually think Kirby Smart will likely overtake Saban in 3 years but....,
There are a lot of one year wonders. After year 1 Kevin Sumlin had USC pushing hard for him and A&M signed him to a huge guaranteed contract.
Charlie Weis turned Notre Dame back to a national power (we thought), got an incredible extension and may still be getting a check today.
Remember Brady Hoke, Gene Chizik, Layne Kiffin and probably many more. Lot's of sure things weren't.
