Kyler Murray > Lincoln Riley for 2018

[oldhorn2]

We would have kicked your ass by a wider margin if not for the refs letting you get away with a few missed calls.

You go lucky Sam hit his head on the ground and went potato at the end of the game. You know we were going to score before that happened. OU couldn't stop us at the end.

at this time of year this is all we can resort to....and why not?

Seriously, I think the future is looking bright for both UT and OU, and just like the last 100 years or so, we will win some and they will win some.


Damned if I didnt almost forget the most important thing......OU still sucks...

 

[RCSooner]

You go lucky Sam hit his head on the ground and went potato at the end of the game. You know we were going to score before that happened. OU couldn't stop us at the end.

And you know Sam will get clobberknocked by big Kenneth Murray YET AGAIN this October! Too bad he just can’t lay the Boomer Sooner!

 

[Mister Moses]

I can’t believe he was allowed to play after seeing his head bounce off the turf. Right in front of them. He might of won if he replaced with Shane. The post about if Oklahoma hadn’t scored. Texas would have won. What do you think Football is about?

 

[oldhorn2]

you are correct Mr Moses.....in all of it.

doesnt alter the fact that OU sucks though....

 

[Forty Acres]

But if he ends up being as good as advertised he will probably get his coach a nice raise. So it all works out.

Ummm, have you seen him play football in college? He wasn’t even decent for A&M who has no quarterbacks.

 

[weevilcatch]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see a 5'8" QB being as productive as the #1 pick in the NFL...I don't care how fast he is.

 

[Heisennberg]

We would have kicked your ass by a wider margin if not for the refs letting you get away with a few missed calls.

Lets not get the refs involved. The refs missed at least half a dozen holding calls on your Oline. At critical drive saving moments too like 3rd down. Which they had to do because they'd have given up a lot of sacks otherwise but the refs sometimes just dont see it or dont care.

 

[Heisennberg]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see a 5'8" QB being as productive as the #1 pick in the NFL...I don't care how fast he is.

I dont understand how height has any reflection on production. Mayfield was always called undersized and that had literally zero bearing on his production. if anything Murray's diminutive frame(not his height) would be a bigger deal for absorbing the punishment of getting hit than anything else. And it does matter how fast he is cause a guy that quick isnt easy to catch. If he was slow AND small there's no way he'd even get a scholarship at a Big time program like OU. Anyway his height wasnt a factor when texas offered him

 

[weevilcatch]

I dont understand how height has any reflection on production. Mayfield was always called undersized and that had literally zero bearing on his production. if anything Murray's diminutive frame(not his height) would be a bigger deal for absorbing the punishment of getting hit than anything else. And it does matter how fast he is cause a guy that quick isnt easy to catch. If he was slow AND small there's no way he'd even get a scholarship at a Big time program like OU. Anyway his height wasnt a factor when texas offered him

Good grief guy.

Being a 5-8 QB is a HUGE disadvantage...and it doesn't matter how fast you are.

I would say the same thing if he was following Vince Young here at Texas.

If you're expecting the same production from Murray that you got from Mayfield then best of luck to ya!

 

[Heisennberg]

Good grief guy.

Being a 5-8 QB is a HUGE disadvantage...and it doesn't matter how fast you are.

I would say the same thing if he was following Vince Young here at Texas.

If you're expecting the same production from Murray that you got from Mayfield then best of luck to ya!

Sure it's a disadvantage. I never said it wasnt. I said it wont affect his production though. I dont think his height will have any bearing on his production and a lot of really knowledgeable football coaches agree thought he was worth a scholarship, including texas.

I dont expect the same production from Murray that Ou got out of Mayfield. Did i type that somewhere?

 

[diadevic]

We would have kicked your ass by a wider margin if not for the refs letting you get away with a few missed calls.

Are you Real Bear?

 

[8085sooner]

Good grief guy.

Being a 5-8 QB is a HUGE disadvantage...and it doesn't matter how fast you are.

I would say the same thing if he was following Vince Young here at Texas.

If you're expecting the same production from Murray that you got from Mayfield then best of luck to ya!

He measured 5'10 and 192lbs for the MLB draft. The guy is all muscle. I think we will see a lot of similarities with the offense this year. The difference will be, when they play breaks down, Mayfield scrambled and threw. Murray will scramble and run.

 

[weevilcatch]

Sure it's a disadvantage. I never said it wasnt. I said it wont affect his production though. I dont think his height will have any bearing on his production and a lot of really knowledgeable football coaches agree thought he was worth a scholarship, including texas.

I dont expect the same production from Murray that Ou got out of Mayfield. Did i type that somewhere?

I'm gonna go ahead and say he got recruited because he was a two sport star athlete that MIGHT play QB, but that's just me.

Let me ask you this...if you're recruiting a QB, is Kyler Murray the ONLY QB you're going to take in a class? You have that much confidence in a 5-8 HS kid being able to play the same position with top 10 production at the next level?

I stand by what I said. I may be wrong, but I just don't see a 5-8 QB being as productive as Baker Mayfield...the #1 player taken in the draft.

 

[weevilcatch]

He measured 5'10 and 192lbs for the MLB draft. The guy is all muscle. I think we will see a lot of similarities with the offense this year. The difference will be, when they play breaks down, Mayfield scrambled and threw. Murray will scramble and run.

So put you down as someone that thinks Kyler will have 5000 yards of total offense and 50 TDs?

 

[weevilcatch]

QBs taken #1 overall and their colleges plus/minus wins the next year...all the way back to Elway in '83

Jared Goff, Cal -3 wins
Jamies Wintson, FSU -3 wins
Andrew Luck, Stanford +1 wins
Cam Newton, Auburn -6 wins
Sam Bradford, Hard to say since he only played 3 games
Matt Stafford, Georgia -2 wins
Jamarcus Russell, LSU +1 wins
Alex Smith, Utah -5 wins
Eli Manning, Ole Miss -6 wins
Carson Palmer, USC +1 wins
David Carr, Fresno St. -2 wins
Mike Vick, Virginia Tech -3 wins
Tim Couch, Kentucky -1 win
Peyton Manning, Tennessee +2 wins
Drew Bledsoe, Washington St -4 wins
Jeff George, Illinois -2 wins
Troy Aikman, UCLA -7 wins
Vinny Testaverde, Miami +1 wins
John Elway, Stanford -4 wins


Maybe Kyler is like Craig Erickson, Tee Martin, Matt Leinart, and Matt Flynn and can get his school over the hump...who knows.

But I'm going to take the under 12 for OU. Vegas set it at 10 and I think that is the perfect number. I think OU wins 10 games this year and probably another Big XII Title. I don't think they'll be in the playoff again.

 

[MiccoMacey]

If you're expecting the same production from Murray that you got from Mayfield then best of luck to ya!

Since no other QB in the history of college football has done that, I think it's a safe bet he won't be as productive as Baker Mayfield. But I don't know any OU fans who are saying that he will be.

But he doesn't need to be. Our run game will be better than last year, our WR talent is better than last year, and our OLine will be the same level they've been under Bedenbaugh. "Don't turn it over" will be what he hears when he wakes up, 19 times during the day, and then right before he goes to bed.

Our defense....it won't be/can't be worse. Until I see it improve, I can't...I just can't.

Special teams will be better with an actual special teams coach.

The best thing for OU...most of the Big Twelve is down this year as well. I'm an OSU alum, but the Cowboys will be no better than an 8-9 win team. TCU will still have a top notch defense, much like the Longhorns, but not really willing to say either team will be able to rely on their offense. West Virginia arguably has the best QB in the league, but nothing else. The sleeper is Iowa State and how much their HC can get out of that team. They won't sneak up on anyone this year, that's for sure.

 

[weevilcatch]

Since no other QB in the history of college football has done that, I think it's a safe bet he won't be as productive as Baker Mayfield. But I don't know any OU fans who are saying that he will be.

But he doesn't need to be. Our run game will be better than last year, our WR talent is better than last year, and our OLine will be the same level they've been under Bedenbaugh. "Don't turn it over" will be what he hears when he wakes up, 19 times during the day, and then right before he goes to bed.

Our defense....it won't be/can't be worse. Until I see it improve, I can't...I just can't.

Special teams will be better with an actual special teams coach.

The best thing for OU...most of the Big Twelve is down this year as well. I'm an OSU alum, but the Cowboys will be no better than an 8-9 win team. TCU will still have a top notch defense, much like the Longhorns, but not really willing to say either team will be able to rely on their offense. West Virginia arguably has the best QB in the league, but nothing else. The sleeper is Iowa State and how much their HC can get out of that team. They won't sneak up on anyone this year, that's for sure.

I like Shawn Robinson a lot. I think he's be better than Boykin. I think TCU is going to be legit this year...and in fact I may place a small wager on them to win the Big 12 at 8/1.

 

[8085sooner]

So put you down as someone that thinks Kyler will have 5000 yards of total offense and 50 TDs?

I won't be surprised to see, 3000 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing. The offense will look the same. The biggest difference will be, Murray running where Baker threw, when the play breaks down.

 

[weevilcatch]

I won't be surprised to see, 3000 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing. The offense will look the same. The biggest difference will be, Murray running where Baker threw, when the play breaks down.

There have been a handful of QBs in the history of college football do that...and you think Kyler Murray is going to in his first year as a starter?

Okay...I'm going to bet against it.

 

[MiccoMacey]

I like Shawn Robinson a lot. I think he's be better than Boykin. I think TCU is going to be legit this year...and in fact I may place a small wager on them to win the Big 12 at 8/1.

I’ll look into him a little harder. Thanks.

 

[oldhorn2]

Micco...I agree that a lot of smart coaches thought K Murray would be a good college QB and heavily recruited him, including C Strong here at Texas. I DO think it quite ironic that NONE of those same smart coaches thought enough of Baker Mayfield (obviously a hell of a talented QB) to recruit him.

Strange science this football talent evaluation.....

 

[Belldozer1]

Micco...I agree that a lot of smart coaches thought K Murray would be a good college QB and heavily recruited him, including C Strong here at Texas. I DO think it quite ironic that NONE of those same smart coaches thought enough of Baker Mayfield (obviously a hell of a talented QB) to recruit him.

Strange science this football talent evaluation.....

Wasn’t Murray voted 5A player of the decade in Texas or something like that? It’ll be interesting to see the qb situation at OU unfold going into the season.

 

[8085sooner]

There have been a handful of QBs in the history of college football do that...and you think Kyler Murray is going to in his first year as a starter?

Okay...I'm going to bet against it.

He did it as a Sophomore, Junior and Senior in HS


2015 Under Armour All-America Game selection...Kyler Murray is the son of former Texas A&M quarterback Kevin Murray...Named the National Gatorade Player of the Year and the Gatorade Texas Player of the Year as a senior...Named 2014 Offensive Player of the Year by USA TODAY...Was named the Texas Gatorade Player of the Year as a junior...Named 2013 first-team All-USA by USA Today...Led his team to back-to-back-to-back state titles in 2012, 2013 and 2014....Finished his career with a 42-0 record

 

[weevilcatch]

He did it as a Sophomore, Junior and Senior in HS


2015 Under Armour All-America Game selection...Kyler Murray is the son of former Texas A&M quarterback Kevin Murray...Named the National Gatorade Player of the Year and the Gatorade Texas Player of the Year as a senior...Named 2014 Offensive Player of the Year by USA TODAY...Was named the Texas Gatorade Player of the Year as a junior...Named 2013 first-team All-USA by USA Today...Led his team to back-to-back-to-back state titles in 2012, 2013 and 2014....Finished his career with a 42-0 record

Oh.

 

[weevilcatch]

Wasn’t Murray voted 5A player of the decade in Texas or something like that? It’ll be interesting to see the qb situation at OU unfold going into the season.

He was insane in HS. Dudes like him (the way he dominated two sports) come around about once in a decade. He was obviously one hell of a baseball player...speculation that he would've been a 1st rounder out of HS, but teams caught wind that he really wanted to play football and thus passed...or he told teams he wasn't going to sign...either way he was a 1st round possibility out of HS.

I know he is OU fans' boy and you'll defend him till the end of the earth, but I'm just saying I don't see him passing for 3000 and rushing for 1000. If you expect that then you're setting yourself up for real disappointment.

History has shown me to be wrong on more than one occasion, however.

 

[Belldozer1]

He was insane in HS. Dudes like him (the way he dominated two sports) come around about once in a decade. He was obviously one hell of a baseball player...speculation that he would've been a 1st rounder out of HS, but teams caught wind that he really wanted to play football and thus passed...or he told teams he wasn't going to sign...either way he was a 1st round possibility out of HS.

I know he is OU fans' boy and you'll defend him till the end of the earth, but I'm just saying I don't see him passing for 3000 and rushing for 1000. If you expect that then you're setting yourself up for real disappointment.

History has shown me to be wrong on more than one occasion, however.

I’m not defending him or his stats because frankly I have only seen him throw the football a handful of times, hence my comment about it’ll be interesting seeing the OU qb situation unfold heading into the season. I may be in the minority but I’m not convinced he’s more consistent throwing the ball than Kendall from what I’ve seen.

 

[MiccoMacey]

I don’t think he’ll rush for 1,000. I hope he doesn’t. Actually, I hope he doesn’t need to. If he’s rushing for that many yards, 3/4 of those are scramble yards because the play broke down somewhere.

I think he’s good enough to throw for 3,000+ in this conference. His accomplishments though will almost solely be tied to his turnover ratio. A high turnover ratio, and the season for OU will suffer. I think we have enough pieces in place to move the ball and score often. But not if we shoot ourselves in the foot by throwing a bunch of Int’s.

 

[Scholz]

Wonder if he's going to play with reckless abandon with that baseball future in front of him or make some "business decisions".

 

[clob94]

Twiggy gonna get hurt.

Here's why:

Every time he tucks that ball because his wrs are covered up he'll think to himself "is this first down worth $4 million dollars?".

You can't play football like that....

 

[Heisennberg]

I'm gonna go ahead and say he got recruited because he was a two sport star athlete that MIGHT play QB, but that's just me.

Let me ask you this...if you're recruiting a QB, is Kyler Murray the ONLY QB you're going to take in a class? You have that much confidence in a 5-8 HS kid being able to play the same position with top 10 production at the next level?

I stand by what I said. I may be wrong, but I just don't see a 5-8 QB being as productive as Baker Mayfield...the #1 player taken in the draft.

He got recruited because he was thought of as a extremely high upside qb with star potential at the next level and was the best if not one of the best athletes in the country. A QB, not a guy who might play QB. He didnt commit to play anything but QB. And he's been measured as 5'10 by the A's. So stuff like talking about you know he's 5'8 because your buddy knows someone who plays on the team is just hearsay.

Um, it depends on a lot of factors like who else is out there, and who i think i have a chance with. I will say this, his height wouldn't be the reason I look to sign two. He makes up for his lack of prototypical QB height with other factors, it's the reason he had a slew of D1 offers from blue blood programs and isn't playing at some juco.

I stand by what I said too, sounds like we are a couple of guys who believe what we type. I never once said he will be as productive as Mayfield. So hopefully you remember me writing that in the post you just quoted.

QBs taken #1 overall and their colleges plus/minus wins the next year...all the way back to Elway in '83

Maybe Kyler is like Craig Erickson, Tee Martin, Matt Leinart, and Matt Flynn and can get his school over the hump...who knows.

But I'm going to take the under 12 for OU. Vegas set it at 10 and I think that is the perfect number. I think OU wins 10 games this year and probably another Big XII Title. I don't think they'll be in the playoff again.

Most of those teams weren't stacked like OU is. Most of those new qbs they had, they hadnt been in the system for 2 years before taking over for the departing QB like Murray has. Murray's backup also has been in the system for 2 years. They likely have the best wr corps, Oline and rb corps in the big 12 too, and that's pretty nice for a QB to have.And if they arent the best, then they are 2nd best. If they have 1 loss, going into the selection day, they'll most likely be in if there arent a slew of other 1 loss teams to compete with.

Twiggy gonna get hurt.

Here's why:

Every time he tucks that ball because his wrs are covered up he'll think to himself "is this first down worth $4 million dollars?".

You can't play football like that....

Sure i can see that being a concern. I imagine at first it will probably be more on his mind but as the season goes on he'll get more comfortable and settled in the role and just play. Nobody can play being constantly worried about injury.

 

[westx]

I dont understand how height has any reflection on production. Mayfield was always called undersized and that had literally zero bearing on his production. if anything Murray's diminutive frame(not his height) would be a bigger deal for absorbing the punishment of getting hit than anything else. And it does matter how fast he is cause a guy that quick isnt easy to catch. If he was slow AND small there's no way he'd even get a scholarship at a Big time program like OU. Anyway his height wasnt a factor when texas offered him

I agree with this. The golden goose is Lincoln's offensive mind. He somehow managed to do well at East Carolina. Even Herman did well with an undersized QB that looked like a big helmet with no body running all over the field. Ward won many games for Cougar High.

 

[q1w2e3]

I like Shawn Robinson a lot. I think he's be better than Boykin. I think TCU is going to be legit this year...and in fact I may place a small wager on them to win the Big 12 at 8/1.

Robinson may turn out great, but I would tap the breaks and give him a couple seasons. Boykin was incredible and was arguably the best player in college football over his last two seasons.

 

[weevilcatch]

He got recruited because he was thought of as a extremely high upside qb with star potential at the next level and was the best if not one of the best athletes in the country. A QB, not a guy who might play QB. He didnt commit to play anything but QB. And he's been measured as 5'10 by the A's. So stuff like talking about you know he's 5'8 because your buddy knows someone who plays on the team is just hearsay.

Um, it depends on a lot of factors like who else is out there, and who i think i have a chance with. I will say this, his height wouldn't be the reason I look to sign two. He makes up for his lack of prototypical QB height with other factors, it's the reason he had a slew of D1 offers from blue blood programs and isn't playing at some juco.

I stand by what I said too, sounds like we are a couple of guys who believe what we type. I never once said he will be as productive as Mayfield. So hopefully you remember me writing that in the post you just quoted.



Most of those teams weren't stacked like OU is. Most of those new qbs they had, they hadnt been in the system for 2 years before taking over for the departing QB like Murray has. Murray's backup also has been in the system for 2 years. They likely have the best wr corps, Oline and rb corps in the big 12 too, and that's pretty nice for a QB to have.And if they arent the best, then they are 2nd best. If they have 1 loss, going into the selection day, they'll most likely be in if there arent a slew of other 1 loss teams to compete with.



Sure i can see that being a concern. I imagine at first it will probably be more on his mind but as the season goes on he'll get more comfortable and settled in the role and just play. Nobody can play being constantly worried about injury.

Good grief Heisenberg.

1. I made the comment that I don't see a 5-8 QB being as productive as the #1 draft pick in the NFL draft. I also have stated multiple times that I may be wrong.
2. You said that you don't see how height has any reflection on production
3. It absolutely has an affect on production. If it didn't then you would see a lot more 5-8 (5-10) QBs
4. It is a MAJOR issue when you're 5-8 (5-10, whatever) and trying to see over/through 6-6 to 6-8 guys. It is common freaking sense...especially in football. Murray would be an outlier, not the norm.
5. I also understand that being a 5-10 QB doesn't mean you won't be very successful...look at Todd Reesing. This is also the reason that I stated "I may be wrong about Murray"
6. Where in the world did I ever say I "have a buddy" and he isn't 5-10? The difference in 5-8 and 5-10 is negligible. The difference in 5-10 and 6-1 as a QB is significant.
7. You said Murray was recruited because of his high upside at QB due to his superior athletic abilities. But you're arguing against my point that Murray was recruited because of his superior athletic abilities and he MAY play QB one day in college? It is the same thing, said in a different way. I'd recruit him knowing that if it doesn't work out at QB then he is still a superior athlete that can probably catch the ball a little...much like Jerrod Heard and every other DUAL threat QB coming out of HS.
8. Of course Murray committed to play QB, and QB only. He thinks he is a QB. IF he could handle the deficiencies that lack of height causes for a QB, then his athletic ability would be a major asset. Duh.

If Murray was at Texas I would still be skeptical about his ability to perform at an elite level due to his stature. But like I stated above (Todd Reesing) there are examples of QBs being successful at the D1 college football level even though they're "short." Murray's athletic ability is certainly a feather in his cap and if he wins the job at OU I think he will do very well.

I'll take OU and 10 wins with Kyler Murray having a tougher time at QB than some of y'all think. It's not doom and gloom though, LOL.

 

[Heisennberg]

Good grief Heisenberg.

1. I made the comment that I don't see a 5-8 QB being as productive as the #1 draft pick in the NFL draft. I also have stated multiple times that I may be wrong.
2. You said that you don't see how height has any reflection on production
3. It absolutely has an affect on production. If it didn't then you would see a lot more 5-8 (5-10) QBs
4. It is a MAJOR issue when you're 5-8 (5-10, whatever) and trying to see over/through 6-6 to 6-8 guys. It is common freaking sense...especially in football. Murray would be an outlier, not the norm.
5. I also understand that being a 5-10 QB doesn't mean you won't be very successful...look at Todd Reesing. This is also the reason that I stated "I may be wrong about Murray"
6. Where in the world did I ever say I "have a buddy" and he isn't 5-10? The difference in 5-8 and 5-10 is negligible. The difference in 5-10 and 6-1 as a QB is significant.
7. You said Murray was recruited because of his high upside at QB due to his superior athletic abilities. But you're arguing against my point that Murray was recruited because of his superior athletic abilities and he MAY play QB one day in college? It is the same thing, said in a different way. I'd recruit him knowing that if it doesn't work out at QB then he is still a superior athlete that can probably catch the ball a little...much like Jerrod Heard and every other DUAL threat QB coming out of HS.
8. Of course Murray committed to play QB, and QB only. He thinks he is a QB. IF he could handle the deficiencies that lack of height causes for a QB, then his athletic ability would be a major asset. Duh.

If Murray was at Texas I would still be skeptical about his ability to perform at an elite level due to his stature. But like I stated above (Todd Reesing) there are examples of QBs being successful at the D1 college football level even though they're "short." Murray's athletic ability is certainly a feather in his cap and if he wins the job at OU I think he will do very well.

I'll take OU and 10 wins with Kyler Murray having a tougher time at QB than some of y'all think. It's not doom and gloom though, LOL.

1. Way to go out on a limb and predict Murray wont be as productive as one of the best cfb qbs who ever played. If you find someone expecting him to produce at the same level, go ahead and piss in his cereal for me.

2. I remember saying that.

3. Height has no bearing on production. 5'10 isnt the height you look for in a qb, you normally want a taller guy. But you can take a 5'10 guy who never lost a game in high school and who has world class athleticism. I dont think all the HCs who offered him are all stupid. There's a reason why a guy his size isnt playing juco ball and you dont seem to get that.

4. Sure, it's not as easy to see over linemen. And that didnt stop barely over 6' Mayfield or a slew of many other sub 6' qbs from being successful. And incase you havent seen football before, you dont have to stand in the pocket 100% of the time. Even though i have seen plenty of video of him throwing beauties from within the pocket surrounded by mammoth beasts. I"m thinking it's probably not as big of a problem as you think as he's been practicing behind giants for a while now.

5. You just really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY want to be right though. I get the feeling you'd rather lose to Austin Kendall if it meant some texas LBer ended Murray's football career at the RRR

6. Not you necessearily, but just referring to all the hearsay. His measureables at OU and with the A's dispute what people have said. The kind of people who "have buddies" who are close to his high school program and accuse him of barely being 5'8.

7. No, it's not the same thing. He's a qb, always played qb and played very successfully at qb and that was the one and only position he was recruited to play and happens to be the one position he's ever played at this level. So, you saying he's recruited as someone who MAY play qb in college is asinine and incorrect and just an attempt to diminish him as a qb. Behind this Oline and with all the weapons he has at his disposal, he's going to make you glad he's only here for one season

8. Not only does he think he's a qb, but so does everyone else who isnt you apparently. Coaches who know what it takes to be a qb at this level are putting the fate of their team and their jobs in his hands after seeing him in practice for a couple years. Must mean he's pretty good to be out there starting for OU. (assuming he wins the job).

I dont know what kind of time he'll have, tough or not. I know he's looked really really good so far, even if it was just 21 attempts, he completed 18 of them and looked calm and composed and made good decisions. That's all Ou needs out of a him and he'll go above and beyond that

 

[weevilcatch]

1. Way to go out on a limb and predict Murray wont be as productive as one of the best cfb qbs who ever played. If you find someone expecting him to produce at the same level, go ahead and piss in his cereal for me.

2. I remember saying that.

3. Height has no bearing on production. 5'10 isnt the height you look for in a qb, you normally want a taller guy. But you can take a 5'10 guy who never lost a game in high school and who has world class athleticism. I dont think all the HCs who offered him are all stupid. There's a reason why a guy his size isnt playing juco ball and you dont seem to get that.

4. Sure, it's not as easy to see over linemen. And that didnt stop barely over 6' Mayfield or a slew of many other sub 6' qbs from being successful. And incase you havent seen football before, you dont have to stand in the pocket 100% of the time. Even though i have seen plenty of video of him throwing beauties from within the pocket surrounded by mammoth beasts. I"m thinking it's probably not as big of a problem as you think as he's been practicing behind giants for a while now.

5. You just really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY want to be right though. I get the feeling you'd rather lose to Austin Kendall if it meant some texas LBer ended Murray's football career at the RRR

6. Not you necessearily, but just referring to all the hearsay. His measureables at OU and with the A's dispute what people have said. The kind of people who "have buddies" who are close to his high school program and accuse him of barely being 5'8.

7. No, it's not the same thing. He's a qb, always played qb and played very successfully at qb and that was the one and only position he was recruited to play and happens to be the one position he's ever played at this level. So, you saying he's recruited as someone who MAY play qb in college is asinine and incorrect and just an attempt to diminish him as a qb. Behind this Oline and with all the weapons he has at his disposal, he's going to make you glad he's only here for one season

8. Not only does he think he's a qb, but so does everyone else who isnt you apparently. Coaches who know what it takes to be a qb at this level are putting the fate of their team and their jobs in his hands after seeing him in practice for a couple years. Must mean he's pretty good to be out there starting for OU. (assuming he wins the job).

I dont know what kind of time he'll have, tough or not. I know he's looked really really good so far, even if it was just 21 attempts, he completed 18 of them and looked calm and composed and made good decisions. That's all Ou needs out of a him and he'll go above and beyond that

Heisenberg...

1. Go back and reread the thread and you'll understand why I said what I said about Murray and the production. Then maybe you'll understand why I made that comment.

2. Cool

3. You keep bringing up this JUCO stuff. Nobody said anything about JUCO fella. JUCO was never an option for him. I just find it puzzling that you don't think lack of height has bearing on QB production. It is common sense Heisenberg. It it didn't have an affect then there would be more sub 6' QBs at the D1 level.

4. Does he wear a Red jersey or nah? You acting like you have some superior football knowledge is pretty bush Heisenberg. I'm really trying to have a legitimate conversation with a sooner...it doesn't happen much with your bunch, but I'm giving it a shot.

5. Yeah, that isn't the case at all. On this board and the OU board I have always shown respect to the football players and coaches from OU. For you to say this shit is pretty weak.

6. If he is 5-10, he's 5-10. I don't give a rip. I don't know him, anyone from Allen or anyone that knows him.

7. Man, of course he was recruited to play QB. He was one of the best in Texas HS football all-time. However, lots of DUAL threat QBs end up moving to other positions and someone with his athleticism certainly has a nice back up plan. You're taking what I'm saying way too personal. It's not that deep.

8. When did I say I didn't think he is a QB? Or even a good to very good QB? I said he will lead OU to 10 wins and possible Big 12 title. What I've disagreed with is that OU's offense won't miss a step with him at QB and that he will throw for 3000 and run for 1000. I mean, is it really that big of a slap in the face to you that I would disgree with those statements? Really?