Here’s a suggestion instead of sympathizing for Riley let’s talk about his successor, Lebby. Some say he’s the next great up and comer, but without the gimmicks. I think I agree
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How many average coaches win 11 games a year? LOL. You may not like his personality as HC, which is fine, but to say he is an average HC is flat out wrong
An average coach doesn't have an .846 winning percentage. That's well above average.
Bob Stoops went 11-1 his last year what's your point? What decisions did Riley make as a head coach that made just sit back and say "WOW that Riley is really a great head coach" How about letting the defense continue to crap out. He was a good OC for about 4 solid years, that's it. He didn't care about fixing the defense or he would have, that's what a good head coach would have done. See how that works? The fans were ready for Bob to go at the end of his run because he had jumped on the Riley train of "to hell with defense" lets just try to Texas Tech em' for victories. That's all fine and dandy until your schemes start getting shut down. Heading into SEC, clearly Riley's was not the answer. The OU game vs Georgia in 17' is all you need to know about Riley and his offense, that's him in a nutshell and why he won't win a NC with his mindset.
So Stoops was an average HC at the end of his career then too? You know, since he hired his bro and the defense turned to shit.
Yeah and why are you acting like that's news? Stoops had clearly lost all desire to recruit hard and do what it took to win a NC at that point. That's not a new revelation whatsoever, maybe to you?
Kirby Smart Good DC or Good HC? I'd say he's a better Coordinator than a HC. Quote me his recruiting rankings since he's been a HC at Georgia and I'll double down on my assertion. It's his job to put the right OC in place, he's obviously not doing that. He may want to watch out because I hear BV is eyeballing his db coach
So there's one above average HC in all of college football. Nick Saban. That's it. Nobody else.
You're not one of those "Texas fans have too lofty expectations" guys are you?
Because damn Bell, lol.
Bell, my point is that you think that Riley is an "average coach", and he's not. Venables will be extremely, extremely lucky to top what Riley did over the same time period. I'm just saying that the odds are more in favor of Venables having a less successful record than Riley. Average coaches don't go 55-10 in five years.
Riley was certainly above average as an HC and was very good as an OC at OU. It's completely possible to admit that while also acknowledging that the offense had gotten worse during each subsequent year of his tenure as the HC and that he might not have been the best HC to lead OU in transitioning to the SEC. The offensive stats confirm that. As someone said above, it wasn't a steep drop off statistically when looking at OU in a vacuum but it was somewhat significant when ranking it against the rest of the country. The eye test was most telling over the last two seasons. Even with the caveat that the QBs were freshmen, something seemed off, especially in the run game (not to mention the fact that Rattler looked like a shell of himself after being very good last season). It's going to take a year or two but I think he'll get things turned around at USC and be fairly successful, but the cap will still be winning a relatively easy conference and getting beaten by more physical teams in the playoff.
Time will tell, but I feel like the new staff will be better long term for the SEC move than Riley's would have. That isn't just sour grapes after leaving either. There were concerns about Riley and the program as a whole becoming "soft" and the style of offense/defense Riley ran not fairing well in the SEC. Most around the program think BV/Lebby/Schmidt is an upgrade over Riley/Grinch/Wiley for that transition. There is going to be a transition period for BV but so far so good from a recruiting standpoint. In a week, he and his staff managed to salvage a 2022 recruiting class that had nearly dropped out of the top 30 and is now pushing top 10. We'll see next fall if he can coach as well as he can recruit as an HC.
Losing Creed Humphrey was a big part of the struggles in the run game would be my guess. He was the anchor of that offensive line and was really good. He’s tearing it up in the NFL this year.
Riley will have a honeymoon period at USC, albeit a short one. They're not off to a stellar start for next year, having the 12th ranked recruiting class in the Pac-12. So right off the bat, he's not being handed the keys to the program while standing on third base like he was at Oklahoma.
USC already has a soft defense, finishing this year 89th nationally in total defense. Grinch might get them consistently into the top 70 with his philosophy and scheme, but they're usually going to have to rely on their offense to put up a boatload of points to win. On the occasions their offense has an off-day, they're not going to be pleased with the results.
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According to 247sports USC has the 10th most talented roster in the country. They have a really good young QB named Jaxon Dart. The Pac 12 is pretty weak right now. They will be fine next year.
Stanford and Oregon State, let alone Ariz. State and Utah, pounded USC. The SC D is terrible. Riley a good Offensive coach and Dart a pretty good QB. But this team looked at least two years behind Utah and Oregon. And they play both the Irish and Fresno State next year.
Wow. More bashing of a damn good coach that OU had. You guys act like he is John Blake, Gary Gibbs, or Howard Schnellenberger.
Riley had the best winning percentage of any coach at OU, yet to hear some of you guys tell it, he was the worst coach in history there. Riley will do very well at USC. When he succeeds there, you Riley bashers should stand up and give the man credit where credit is due.
Riley will be booed early and often when the losses start occuring. You are right, he was handed an 11-1 team at OU and he started to pile drive it in year 5. Buh bye Riley, good riddance. I know he left under his own free will but it literally feels like he got run off.
Absolutely. I already give him credit for being Big 12 good, nothing more and that's clearly what his record indicates. I have a very strong feeling he's going to be PAC 12 good too, nothing moreWow. More bashing of a damn good coach that OU had. You guys act like he is John Blake, Gary Gibbs, or Howard Schnellenberger.
Riley had the best winning percentage of any coach at OU, yet to hear some of you guys tell it, he was the worst coach in history there. Riley will do very well at USC. When he succeeds there, you Riley bashers should stand up and give the man credit where credit is due.
I know that you hate to hear this, but Riley isn't going to lose at SC. He's going to be very successful there. If fact, he'll be more successful there than Venables will be at OU.
He’ll be successful enough after a few years of building to win the pac 12 often, but will struggle in the playoff. He took a good team here and didn’t improve improve at all on offense (actually declined) and only slightly improved the defense over 5 seasons. The job he has ahead of him at usc will be much more difficult than the one he was handed at OU. We will see how good he is as a head coach starting from near the bottom.
Urban Meyer out as Jacksonville Jaguars head coach.
Could he be returning to college ball?
Could he be returning to college ball?
Not at all MM. Riley was a good offensive coach and recruiter. Brought some good talent to OU. On the D side not so good which is what frustrated us the most. Before the obvious offensive collapses the last 3 games which we had never seen before. So Riley made out with the big paycheck. And OU did also with BV. Will bet you any amount BV's record over the next 3 years will be better than USC's. After OU gets into the SEC not as confident.Wow. More bashing of a damn good coach that OU had. You guys act like he is John Blake, Gary Gibbs, or Howard Schnellenberger.
Riley had the best winning percentage of any coach at OU, yet to hear some of you guys tell it, he was the worst coach in history there. Riley will do very well at USC. When he succeeds there, you Riley bashers should stand up and give the man credit where credit is due.
They got Jeff Lebby as OC that’s Art Briles son in law they will be deadly on offense! I wish we had got A Briles as HC and Patterson as DC ! Oh well maybe Patterson can teach Pete how to play defense.
I'm fine with this if true. Venables doesn't concern me. Campbell or Aranda would be a better hire IMO.
I hope he is, good luck to him. All I can say ishe wasn’t going to cut it long term at OU and OU fans are glad he took his soft ass out West. Saying he’ll be more successful at USC than Venables will be at OU isnt really saying much but ok. I wish him nothing but the best and good riddance.
Man, a 9 page thread dedicated to blowu?
Please make it end…..
Please make it end…..
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