Man, I have met Mack and have always thought he was a class act. The more stories I here, it makes me think we don't know Mack at all. Mack may be a complete phony.
Mack spilled his Kool-Aid
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I've been mainly in defense of Mack Brown mostly because of some of the outrageous claims about him personally on this board by some of the more overzealous opinionators. I have wanted to wait and see how the season unfolded before I came to any conclusions about the direction of the program. After the BYU/Ole Miss collapses I've come to the conclusion that Mack Brown is overstaying his welcome on the 40. I just don't think the team is there for him emotionally. The Kst win was but a momentary reprieve for the inevitable that needs to happen. The Iowa St game will keep emotions in check as I don't see how we lose to them.
However, the signs are very clear that there is incredible dissension within the program. A post like the OPs, whether it is factually accurate or not, reveals significant pressures are at work and that is because forces are aligning against each other and the credibility undermining is in full swing. There is definite smoke here with the history of Brian Jones and Rod Babers referring to some discussions with him emanating from within the athletic department. If there weren't the pressures and factions working on the removal of the current regime, these types of incidents would not be happening. And it is happening because Mack Brown and DeLoss Dodds have lost control of the program and they are attempting to regain the control that they once had because they were winning all the time.
So wether the OPs info is accurate or not, the reality is that the foundations are crumbling and it is supremely time to make the necessary changes needed. The decision makers really need to be paying attention to what is going on inside the program because the house is on fire right now and it could burn to the ground once again. Then, we are in a world of sh$t like we were in 1986 and facing a decade and a half of pure irrelevance.
However, the signs are very clear that there is incredible dissension within the program. A post like the OPs, whether it is factually accurate or not, reveals significant pressures are at work and that is because forces are aligning against each other and the credibility undermining is in full swing. There is definite smoke here with the history of Brian Jones and Rod Babers referring to some discussions with him emanating from within the athletic department. If there weren't the pressures and factions working on the removal of the current regime, these types of incidents would not be happening. And it is happening because Mack Brown and DeLoss Dodds have lost control of the program and they are attempting to regain the control that they once had because they were winning all the time.
So wether the OPs info is accurate or not, the reality is that the foundations are crumbling and it is supremely time to make the necessary changes needed. The decision makers really need to be paying attention to what is going on inside the program because the house is on fire right now and it could burn to the ground once again. Then, we are in a world of sh$t like we were in 1986 and facing a decade and a half of pure irrelevance.
"For one, as pointed out earlier there is a vast difference between being fired on the spot (OP's words) and being admonished (Babers' words)."
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I guess we will see if he was fired or not if he isnt there next season. either way if he was called into Macks office isnt that bad enough? Of all things after the BYU nightmare and Mack likey on his last legs at Texas should he really have the time to call a radio/TV guy into his office and bitch him out for being too critical? He's done it to several others. I've defended Mack as much as anyone in the past but he needs to worry about coaching...and not what some dude is saying on the radio. the more that keeps coming out just shows Mack was never the guy I and many others thought he was. this stuff is getting sickening
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I guess we will see if he was fired or not if he isnt there next season. either way if he was called into Macks office isnt that bad enough? Of all things after the BYU nightmare and Mack likey on his last legs at Texas should he really have the time to call a radio/TV guy into his office and bitch him out for being too critical? He's done it to several others. I've defended Mack as much as anyone in the past but he needs to worry about coaching...and not what some dude is saying on the radio. the more that keeps coming out just shows Mack was never the guy I and many others thought he was. this stuff is getting sickening
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some seem to be confused, Babers is not an LHN employee, he does the afternoon show for KVET 1300, he is the sideline reporter for radio broadcasts, and he does TOS' podcast< < which is probably where he got in trouble
I really don't know what to think about this. I want Mack Brown gone after this season as much as the rest of you. However,if Babers works on the official pre-game show of the Longhorns I wouldn't blame UT for wanting him to be positive.
Maybe Mack Brown was the one to speak with him (instead of station management, etc.) because he is one of his former players.
I don't like thin-skinned people but I can almost understand it here.
Maybe Mack Brown was the one to speak with him (instead of station management, etc.) because he is one of his former players.
I don't like thin-skinned people but I can almost understand it here.
1. I have not spoken with Rod about this. but I know people have heard the story, whether factual, semi-factional or wrong.
2. It sounds like Rod already addressed this to some degree, so it is what it is.Oz isn't always pretty behind the curtain.
3. Ironic that when Rod retired from the NFL, I tried to get him involved with The Horn, but Bellmont kind of stepped in and steered him in another direction.
4. Rod is getting better at the radio stuff and I hope his management at KVET has his back.
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Cuz like all "Witch-Hunts" the mob cares only to fan the flames even higher to get their "Witch!" Have you not seen all the vitriol & hatred on here for Mack lately?---How so many on here will use anything & everything Mack says or does and put the most negative spin on it? Its out of control! My god, if I didn't know better and/or was not aware of all the things Mack has done for not only the football program, but the univerisity in general, I'd have no choice but to conclude from all the posts that Mack was not only one of the worst coaches ever, but that he was as vile a man as ever lived! The ugly, twisted distotions of Mack are morally repugnant to me. And I am one of those that thinks its time Dodds & Mack left and/or retired. However, its this very vitriol spewed at him 24/7 that probably makes him want to dig in even more and say to y'all: "F U!!" I'll leave on my terms, and hell if after all I've done around here, I get 'tarred & feathered and run out on a rail!" {metaphorically speaking of course} by a rabid mob!" Capiche?
Col. Kurtz's methods are unsound. He is quite certainly mad.
Willard? Willard? Get the boat ready.
Willard? Willard? Get the boat ready.
Ok, but let's use actual facts for a background here. We know he did the same to Brian Jones, we know he at the very least got on Babers for not towing the company line, we know for a fact he's tried to control people's message in the past. That leads me to deduce there's a ver real possibility the OP was accurate. We've seen it before, why wouldn't he do it again. And besides, to me the issue isn't whether he was fired or the OP is totally accurate, we know for a fact, level 1, that at the very minimum Mack called Babers to give him a tongue lashing over his comments.
Nothing more needs to be said when that is stated. That's the last thing he needs to be worried about right now.
Image is everything with the university. I can remember Wally Pryor announcing over the speakers in response to a chant the students had going "we don't do that here". And the blue hairs in the Erwin center complaining that waving hands and yelling during an opponents free throws was "not Texas like". So it's no surprise that the head football coach is more concerned with image than Xs and Os. Sad but true.
The only way I could see the OP making this stroy up is to troll us because their have been mutliple stories like this flaoting around for several years...
Sorry Baguette, I don't capiche much of what you said. Ugly, twisted distortions of a coach verbally dressing down a reporter should never happen, because the coach should be busy FIXIN THINGS and not dressing down inconsequential reporting. And if Mack wanted to give us an "F U" you would be all for it correct, Mr morality? I think the point made by so many of the posters you call the mob is that it would not surprise us if he got in a tiffy about people's comments and tried to stay longer - even thought it doesn't help the team, university, or himself. Most aren't on a witch hunt, they are just wondering when is the charade enough???
Yes, and that came out in the course of this discussion. I really don't see a problem with the thread when you view it in its entirety. The facts, or lack of them, usually come to light.
No.
It's an inconsistency internal to the story that leads me to believe it's BS (The firing part).
When you "fire someone on the spot" you have them escorted from the building and revoke their access.
You don't "fire a reporter on the spot" and then allow him back on the sidelines where he's likely to bash the program over the air, and maybe even disclose the event and make you look even worse.
In his OWN WORDS Babers was ADMONISHED to tote the companies line. That's a BIG difference relative to "you're fired".
PS, if this is the deal breaker for you (as opposed to 2010, or the any of the four 55+ point games by OU or all of them) then I'd say you need to reassess.
I don't care that Mack is an asshole. I care that he's a crappy HC and he's still coaching at my University.
Yeah, but until we have actual proof to support this story, its still only " a possibility." The larger point I'm trying to make here concerns the "Paint It Black" crowd.
You're right about one thing---- this crap is the last thing Mack needs to be worried about right now. Faugh Sure!
You'd have a point except that the story's true. This is the same "coach" who took time out of his week to seek out and personally call and dress down an individual fan for negative remarks in the media. Mack does this shit. Sorry it hurts your hero image of him.
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people can argue over semantics. perhaps someone can find out if Babers was removed in regard to he wont be doing broadcasts next year. Ranker in this thread claims the story is true. not sure his source
in the very least we know Babers was called into Macks office and given a talking too because he was critical of the team after BYU. That in itself is pathetic. Doesnt mack have better things to do than worry about someone being upset after UT got ass raped by BYU? He's had someone FIRED before like Brian Jones. Maybe the op overstated a point...maybe he didnt. In the very least it seems most of the story is accturate
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in the very least we know Babers was called into Macks office and given a talking too because he was critical of the team after BYU. That in itself is pathetic. Doesnt mack have better things to do than worry about someone being upset after UT got ass raped by BYU? He's had someone FIRED before like Brian Jones. Maybe the op overstated a point...maybe he didnt. In the very least it seems most of the story is accturate
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