Next year for Texas
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I don't think it's a must, but almost every team should at least be shaking some trees. Not that this staff isn't doing that. It is the most important position on the field.
Also Heard took a full year off playing QB to switch to WR so including him in the depth is a little dangerous, and Merrick was a major project that the previous staff took a flier on who barely had another legitimate offer, I don't know if he counts towards depth either.
Don't write off Merrick, he had offer from Tulsa, and they tend to do very well with developing QBs for their system. I think Tom Herman can do well with him as he comes across as very bright.
His recruiting profile shows he had an offer from Nevada and Colorado State. I do remember when McElwain (then CSU coach) went to Florida he may have offered him from Florida as well. He will only be a RS sophomore, but he's been nothing but last on the depth chart since he got here. Including him as a reason for us not needing to bring in another QB is a major stretch IMO.
I would think 8 or 9 wins, maybe 10. Strong couldn't coach a lick, but his recruiting was really good the last couple years. You are much more talented than when Strong arrived. The only more talented in conference team will be Oklahoma, and not by much.
Guys,
We lost games this year by the following point totals: 7, 18, 5, 3, 4, 3, 22. That's 5 games at 7 points or less. Let's say Herman can get us 4 of those 5 games next year. That would put us at 9 wins if we stand pat on the other 5 games where we won this year. Our OOS next year is Maryland, San Jose and So Cal. We should go 2 & 1 there.
It's not an unreasonable assumption to make that we could win 9 or 10 games next year . . . not sure I'd lay money on it though.
We lost games this year by the following point totals: 7, 18, 5, 3, 4, 3, 22. That's 5 games at 7 points or less. Let's say Herman can get us 4 of those 5 games next year. That would put us at 9 wins if we stand pat on the other 5 games where we won this year. Our OOS next year is Maryland, San Jose and So Cal. We should go 2 & 1 there.
It's not an unreasonable assumption to make that we could win 9 or 10 games next year . . . not sure I'd lay money on it though.
And because they didn't win 7 or even 6 the coach got fired. Point being expectations are around 8 or 9 wins in 2017 or it's a short honeymoon. After all, fans would have expected that from Coach Strong.
He will get 3 years same as Strong. He's not being fired if he doesn't win 8 or 9 games next year.
Of course he won't get fired. You can't fire a coach every year. You are on thin ice firing one every 3 years. This is strictly about fan expectations.
There were enough issues at qb and offensive line that Texas fans were pretty patient with Coach Strong the first two years (but not patient at all in year 3).
I no longer see those deficiencies.
Guys,
We lost games this year by the following point totals: 7, 18, 5, 3, 4, 3, 22. That's 5 games at 7 points or less. Let's say Herman can get us 4 of those 5 games next year. That would put us at 9 wins if we stand pat on the other 5 games where we won this year. Our OOS next year is Maryland, San Jose and So Cal. We should go 2 & 1 there.
It's not an unreasonable assumption to make that we could win 9 or 10 games next year . . . not sure I'd lay money on it though.
I wouldn't lay money on it. Not because this team isn't talented, but everyone keeps pointing out that schemes will change and there will be hiccups in transition. To my mind though, that is the least of our worries. It also comes down to chemistry and buy-in. We really don't know yet how many of these kids that Charlie recruited, will buy in to Herman and if they do, will they develop some winning chemistry?
develop is right.....they sure as hell didnt have any with Charlie......what I am worried about is this....we have been losing for so long that players and fans alike are getting used to it.
For the last several years I have watched every game hoping Texas would not get embarrassed and maybe keep it close...so your point is very valid.....when Texas loses.....it is like a red hot poker going through my heart..other than that, it doesn't bother me at all. lol
SwVA....sadly, that is my point. We shouldn't be worrying about getting embarrassed by other teams. We should only be worried that we don't win big enough to move the polls.I am as guilty as anyone....hell, even more so. You were trying to hold Charlie accountable way before I was.
I have been in Koolaide recovery for several months now. I have great hopes for Herman because I always have great hopes, but he doesn't get the lifetime pass I gave Charlie.
I have been in Koolaide recovery for several months now. I have great hopes for Herman because I always have great hopes, but he doesn't get the lifetime pass I gave Charlie.
Losing is a disease, but it's not terminal, we survived 15 years of losing from 84 to 98, we can overcome 3 years of Charlie Strong. 2009 wasn't that long ago. It sure as hell wasn't 1939, always remember, no matter how bad it gets, there are still a lot more Longhorns alive that remember 2005 than there are aggsy that remember 1939.
I think Herman will have Texas playing a lot better than Strong did. I was pretty hard on Strong but I really felt like he made some huge mistakes before ever coaching a single game at Texas. The only issue I have so far with Herman is his inexperience as a HC...but plenty of coaches worked out that were not ever HC's (like Stoops) or were HC's for a short time.
Strong never showed that he could take a less talented team and beat a better team other than ou but I am not so sure Texas had less talent than ou. Herman has shown he can take less talent and make it play. The hope is he can take talent and really take off.
LSU would be welcoming Herman into Baton Rouge if he did not WANT to be at Texas. He did not take the job "because he could not turn it down"....he took it because he WANTED to be at Texas. He welcomes the job and all it entails. I am fired up about Herman. I don't think we will win the NC next year.....but I think we will be a few plays away from competing for the conf title in his first year...IF.....no major injuries or anything like that.
I sipped Kool-Aid with Strong......I am drinking it with Herman. I still need to see the whole staff but from what he is saying I am happy he is at Texas.
One thing that every coach and player at Texas needs to realize is they are going to get the other team's BEST shot and RISE to the challenge. Herman holding people accountable is a huge start in the right direction.
My biggest concern regarding first year results would be what happens at QB, is Beuchelle a fit for what Herman wants to do, will Texas bring in a grad transfer, can Heard play QB in this system? I am concerned about Beuchelle in an offense that uses its QB so much in the run game.
I'll take a few years of losing if we can get back to 10+ wins and NC appearances again with Herman. Sometimes you have to take the down years to get to the good ones. Just wish it would hurry up and pass already.
The way our schedule will play out if we can only lose one OOC game (highly likely) and only one Conf (unsure) we should be playing for the Big 12 championship next season.
We do that and the sky is the limit, all we have to do is just get there.
We do that and the sky is the limit, all we have to do is just get there.
What was going on oldhorn? I just thought it was poor coaching. Was it some other things as well?
I feel the same way. As bad as Strong and his staff were at getting their players ready and putting them in position to win they still could have had a great season if they make less than 8 plays throughout the close games.
I read ( and I know not to believe half of what I read) that Hermans staff is already better at evaluating what they can get out of a player....and what they need the player to do in the scheme. That may be harsh, but it did seem that we were not taking the best advantage of our available talent....I.e. Malik...Duverney, etc.
What coach Herman and his staff need to do more than anything is to teach our players how to win. I've watched our guys last year nobody cant' question that they didn't want to win, they wanted to win desperately, but there was no one to teach them how. I read that coach Herman was somewhat aloof to the players when he met them. Well, maybe that's what they need. You have to have that hardness, that edge to finish the job and bring home the w and to be honest our players don't know how. Imo, that's why we lost 5 games by 22 points. I don't care if Tom Herman has been a hc for "only" 2 years. In those two years he's already beaten two elites, Oklahoma, and FSU, so he must know how to win already. I read in SI's college fb preview issue that tOSU qb Cardale Jones said that Tom Herman knows how to relate to every player on a one on one basis. I hate the way UT athletics has been handled the last few years. I assume we wll have a new ad soon. Here's to hoping that coach Tom Herman is leading UT athletics back on the winning side.
Texas has talent.
Corner back is a prime example. Holton Hill, Davante Davis, and Chris Boyd are all talented guys that have the ability to play at a All Conference level.
How to get them there, that is the challenge.
Fact is every position is like that, we have talent everywhere, we just need it to perform at the level of their actual ability.
Corner back is a prime example. Holton Hill, Davante Davis, and Chris Boyd are all talented guys that have the ability to play at a All Conference level.
How to get them there, that is the challenge.
Fact is every position is like that, we have talent everywhere, we just need it to perform at the level of their actual ability.
While I agree with you about Herman, I don't think Texas is looked at like you think anymore. Ohio State, Alabama, yes those teams are targets but Texas is more in category of LSU, Nebraska, Notre Dame. Great history but not much lately. Programs like Iowa State and Kansas see their victories as signature wins but most other teams no longer fear us.
I will help you with some reading comprehension....I did not say anyone "fears" Texas. I did not say Texas was a "target". I said Texas got the other team's best shot...and they do. Texas is still the Flagship school of Texas. Notice the last few recruiting classes? Very good classes even though they were losing. There is a reason for that. Texas is the most popular school in Texas and top 5 in the country. I live in Virginia now and there are a TON of Texas Longhorn fans here. Gear is everywhere. You are more than likely and aggy anyway.
I don't think there is any doubt that things will start trending upward from the beginning. I doubt very seriously Herman will come in and strip the roster of Charlie's guys like Strong did of Mack's. Nope I have a feeling he's just going to come in and coach them up like good coaches do.
This isn't 1998 and Foreman isn't coming back. His draft stock will not be higher than it is now and the risk of injury is too great. If I am wrong I will admit and start smoking whatever it is that you do.
Ricky coming back made all the difference in the world to Mack's career at Texas.
No ricky, and you get no Chris Simms no Cory Redding, no Roy Williams no Ced Benson, and Might have just been another failure for Texas.
But Ricky came back and he helped turn Texas around in a big way.
D'Onta is no Ricky, he isn't coming back. Ricky was a bit of an eccentric, he did things his way, D'Onta is more of a common sense guy, he is going to do what is best for himself and his family. Ricky wanted to do something special.
If D'Onta came back I would expect him to win the Heisman next year just like Ricky did, and he would put Texas back on the map.
But in this case lightning doesn't strike twice.
No ricky, and you get no Chris Simms no Cory Redding, no Roy Williams no Ced Benson, and Might have just been another failure for Texas.
But Ricky came back and he helped turn Texas around in a big way.
D'Onta is no Ricky, he isn't coming back. Ricky was a bit of an eccentric, he did things his way, D'Onta is more of a common sense guy, he is going to do what is best for himself and his family. Ricky wanted to do something special.
If D'Onta came back I would expect him to win the Heisman next year just like Ricky did, and he would put Texas back on the map.
But in this case lightning doesn't strike twice.
There are no ifs. He's already hired an agent, I would guess that would make him ineligible even if he had a change of heart.
As far as the pure hypothetical. The Heisman generally goes to a player on the best team or at least one of the best. I wouldn't bet on that being us. How often does the Heisman go to a team that won less than 10 games?
As far as the pure hypothetical. The Heisman generally goes to a player on the best team or at least one of the best. I wouldn't bet on that being us. How often does the Heisman go to a team that won less than 10 games?
No Big 12 team can lose 2 games and make the CFP.
Has any team lost 2 games and made it to the CFB playoffs? This year proved a weaker schedule will put a 1 loss team in over a 2 loss team with a stronger schedule.
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