Next year for Texas

[TexExSpur]

Guys,

We lost games this year by the following point totals: 7, 18, 5, 3, 4, 3, 22. That's 5 games at 7 points or less. Let's say Herman can get us 4 of those 5 games next year. That would put us at 9 wins if we stand pat on the other 5 games where we won this year. Our OOS next year is Maryland, San Jose and So Cal. We should go 2 & 1 there.

It's not an unreasonable assumption to make that we could win 9 or 10 games next year . . . not sure I'd lay money on it though.

We're losing a 2K RB with Porter and 2 back's that struggle with injuries. The season could go down hill in a hurry depending on health at the position and who he brings in.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

We need at lease two RBs in this class. Don't know who but we need two.

 

[bubba2023]

We need at lease two RBs in this class. Don't know who but we need two.

Agree although good RBs can hit the ground running as youngsters. It's not a position where you have to develop them for a couple of years before they start to bear fruit. So theoretically missing one year would be less impactful than other positions

 

[Deweygolfer]

8, 9 or 10 wins? Let's be honest and realistic. You can't strap Herman with those expectations (yes, he beat OU when he had all offseason to focus on them, but also lost to SMU and Navy) on year one. I think 7 wins and a bowl would be a great start.

 

[speedstrength]

Strong lost his job because he had a roster that was capable of winning 8-9 games and they played extremely undisciplined football and unwatchable football. We lost games because of turnovers, poor special teams plays, tons of penalties. 107th in the nation in penalties , 110th in allowing long plays from scrimmage (blown assignments, poor tackling), 106th in fumbles lost. 84th in turnover margin, and 95th in red zone conversions. If Herman can clean that up there is no reason this team doesn't win 8-9 games next year.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

8, 9 or 10 wins? Let's be honest and realistic. You can't strap Herman with those expectations (yes, he beat OU when he had all offseason to focus on them, but also lost to SMU and Navy) on year one. I think 7 wins and a bowl would be a great start.

Expectations and goals are two very separate things. You can set your goal low, but expectations should never be low. I fully expect us to win 10 games next
year. I see no reason why we couldn't. Our oline will be great, our passing game will be great and we should have a much improved defense.

Strong lost his job because he had a roster that was capable of winning 8-9 games and they played extremely undisciplined football and unwatchable football. We lost games because of turnovers, poor special teams plays, tons of penalties. 107th in the nation in penalties , 110th in allowing long plays from scrimmage (blown assignments, poor tackling), 106th in fumbles lost. 84th in turnover margin, and 95th in red zone conversions. If Herman can clean that up there is no reason this team doesn't win 8-9 games next year.

I believe the #1 reason Strong lost his job was his lack of attention to details. Things like stupid penalties, can't handle a field goal, guys not knowing their coverage assignment.

A lot of little thing lead to big mistakes that cost us a lot of wins.

 

[oldhorn2]

I was a strong supporter way more than most. I held on to the idea the we were sooo close to breaking out. What a dumbass! I was bamboozled!....there were so many clues the CS was NEVER going to get it done. How in the world could a supposed defensive witch not be able to get guys in position to make plays?I understand young guys make mistakes, but it looked like they were as confused on the last game this year as they were in the beginning. I look back and can find very little evidence of coaching.

Yes, I expect Herman to clean that up from the get go and if he doesnt, then I say ....Next!

 

[swVAHorn]

I was a strong supporter way more than most. I held on to the idea the we were sooo close to breaking out. What a dumbass! I was bamboozled!....there were so many clues the CS was NEVER going to get it done. How in the world could a supposed defensive witch not be able to get guys in position to make plays?I understand young guys make mistakes, but it looked like they were as confused on the last game this year as they were in the beginning. I look back and can find very little evidence of coaching.

Yes, I expect Herman to clean that up from the get go and if he doesnt, then I say ....Next!

You are just a good fan oldhorn. You liked Strong like most of us did and do. We were all hopeful but we all should have realistic expectations and hold coaches to them. I kind of knew at the beginning but I was hopeful. The Iowa St. game last year really got me......but before this season I started getting my hopes up as well.....then.....we all know what happened.

Herman will be better than Strong and I would bet on it.

 

[Deweygolfer]

Expectations and goals are two very separate things. You can set your goal low, but expectations should never be low. I fully expect us to win 10 games next
year. I see no reason why we couldn't. Our oline will be great, our passing game will be great and we should have a much improved defense.




I believe the #1 reason Strong lost his job was his lack of attention to details. Things like stupid penalties, can't handle a field goal, guys not knowing their coverage assignment.

A lot of little thing lead to big mistakes that cost us a lot of wins.

Anything is possible, just with the game at USC, OU, then road games in Baylor, TCU and WVU it could be tough sledding getting to 10, not to mention the possibility losing a conference game at home. We shall see, the Horns definitely have something to look forward to next season.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I think 10 would be quite the achievement. 8-9 seems very reachable though.

 

[CaptainZigZag]

Losing is a disease, but it's not terminal, we survived 15 years of losing from 84 to 98, we can overcome 3 years of Charlie Strong. 2009 wasn't that long ago. It sure as hell wasn't 1939, always remember, no matter how bad it gets, there are still a lot more Longhorns alive that remember 2005 than there are aggsy that remember 1939.

Marcel Darius was the John Wilkes Booth of the Longhorn football program
It's hard to identify another single hit that had such long lasting implications

 

[swVAHorn]

Marcel Darius was the John Wilkes Booth of the Longhorn football program
It's hard to identify another single hit that had such long lasting implications

I believe if that hit does not occur Texas has 1 more NC and Mack Brown retires. The only thing is that would have made Muschamp the coach and I don't think he is that great of a coach. Although I do think he is better than Strong. Either way Texas does not have 3 losing seasons in a row without that hit...

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Marcel Darius was the John Wilkes Booth of the Longhorn football program
It's hard to identify another single hit that had such long lasting implications

He will go down in history with the Muffed punt, Crabtree's catch, and Simms 5 interceptions as things that either kept us out of championships or kept us from winning championships.

 

[hookem3434]

Speaking of guys that keep getting hurt.....incoming QB Ellinger seemed to get hurt every game he played. Am I the only one worried about his ability to stay on the field? I realize he is supposed to redshirt, but at some point we need him to perform.

I noticed that too, i hope he's not injury-prone. Sure seems to stay hurt alot

 

[MadDogKC]

He will get 3 years same as Strong. He's not being fired if he doesn't win 8 or 9 games next year.

He will be on hot seat if he don't win more than charlie

 

[MadDogKC]

I noticed that too, i hope he's not injury-prone. Sure seems to stay hurt alot

Please let Sam heal and learn the system.bring in a Tranfer QB.Shane is not the answer in this offense.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Please let Sam heal and learn the system.bring in a Tranfer QB.Shane is not the answer in this offense.

Better to not post and let people think you are an idiot, than to post and prove it.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Better to not post and let people think you are an idiot, than to post and prove it.

Shane is above average. Combine an above average QB with above average coaching = the answer to winning far more games than you lose.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

He will be on hot seat if he don't win more than charlie

Herman knows he must have winning seasons, be bowl eligible & win, avoid losing to Kansas, and generally trend up in wins each year. Beating 5 wins in 2016, shouldn't be hard to do.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Anything less than 8 wins and I'm going to be pissed, we aren't in the B1G or the SEC, we are in the shitty Big 12. We should be dominating this league.

 

[swVAHorn]

Anything less than 8 wins and I'm going to be pissed, we aren't in the B1G or the SEC, we are in the shitty Big 12. We should be dominating this league.

I agree. As crappy as Texas was THIS year they could have very well won 9 games if they had discipline and make just a handful of plays at crucial times. I think 8 is reasonable.

 

[Belldozer1]

Shane is above average. Combine an above average QB with above average coaching = the answer to winning far more games than you lose.

I think Buechele as a true freshman threw the ball around as well or better than anyone I recall. I think the playcalling got really stale and his arm may have gotten a little tired as the year wore on but install a legitimate short passing game with some deep shots allowed each game and he'll be fine.

 

[Deweygolfer]

I agree. As crappy as Texas was THIS year they could have very well won 9 games if they had discipline and make just a handful of plays at crucial times. I think 8 is reasonable.

They could have also easily lost to ND and Baylor and ended up 3-9.

 

[ryan_sublett]

They could have also easily lost to ND and Baylor and ended up 3-9.

And they could of won 2-3 that they lost. Most teams have that.

 

[mcbrider]

He will go down in history with the Muffed punt, Crabtree's catch, and Simms 5 interceptions as things that either kept us out of championships or kept us from winning championships.

 

[mcbrider]

How could forget Blake Gideon's failure to intercept the floating ball at 2008 Texas Tech

 

[TexasRoc]

Strong was fired for not winning 7 or 8 games this year, because the talent was there for it, just like it will be there for Herman to win 9 or 10 games next season. If Strong was expected to win 7 or 8 games, then 10 is most definitely attainable next season. If not, then why was Herman hired, and Strong fired. I don't want to hear about a new offense, or a new defense. Several other coaches are winning with much less talent, so if he is a good coach, he'll get it done. The talent is there on both sides of the ball.

QB: Shane, Sam
RB: Warren, Porter, Johnson, Toneil
WR: Collins, Devin, Burt, Armanti, Leonard
OL: Williams, Vahe, Hudson, Okafur, Shackleford, Delance, Hodges, Anderson, McMillon, Imade, Major, Urquidez
TE: Blake Whitely

DL: Elliot, Giles, Roach, Poona, Nelson, Charles, Fitzgerald, Southhall, Daniels, Christmas
LB: Malik, Wheeler, Fowler, McCulloch, Hager, Hughes, Freeman, Townsend, Boyd
DB: Boyd, Hill, Jones, Elliot, Locke, Davis (should move to safety), Cuffee, Brown

What position is lacking for talent, except for TE? Coaches making a lot less, and playing with less talent, are winning. Most of those players were recruited by the best teams in the country, so the talent is there, and they are old enough at this point. It's no longer about Strong, or what anyone thought about the job he did, or what anyone expected or required of him; so I don't care about any of that, as it has no impact on the now. I expect Herman to win 9 or 10 games in his first year.

 

[oldhorn2]

I don't disagree with the gist of your message, but I would like to know which coaches you are referring to that make a lot less than Herman that are winning with a lot less talent. Those type statements sound good, but are a bit hard to nail down.

 

[DHHorn]

Strong was fired for not winning 7 or 8 games this year, because the talent was there for it, just like it will be there for Herman to win 9 or 10 games next season. If Strong was expected to win 7 or 8 games, then 10 is most definitely attainable next season. If not, then why was Herman hired, and Strong fired. I don't want to hear about a new offense, or a new defense. Several other coaches are winning with much less talent, so if he is a good coach, he'll get it done. The talent is there on both sides of the ball.

QB: Shane, Sam
RB: Warren, Porter, Johnson, Toneil
WR: Collins, Devin, Burt, Armanti, Leonard
OL: Williams, Vahe, Hudson, Okafur, Shackleford, Delance, Hodges, Anderson, McMillon, Imade, Major, Urquidez
TE: Blake Whitely

DL: Elliot, Giles, Roach, Poona, Nelson, Charles, Fitzgerald, Southhall, Daniels, Christmas
LB: Malik, Wheeler, Fowler, McCulloch, Hager, Hughes, Freeman, Townsend, Boyd
DB: Boyd, Hill, Jones, Elliot, Locke, Davis (should move to safety), Cuffee, Brown

What position is lacking for talent, except for TE? Coaches making a lot less, and playing with less talent, are winning. Most of those players were recruited by the best teams in the country, so the talent is there, and they are old enough at this point. It's no longer about Strong, or what anyone thought about the job he did, or what anyone expected or required of him; so I don't care about any of that, as it has no impact on the now. I expect Herman to win 9 or 10 games in his first year.

It is definitely possible but I don't think you can place it entirely on Herman's shoulders in year one. He inherited the players who aren't his and is stuck with what he has. He is taking the place of a coach who the players loved and didn't want to leave, and was very vocal about wanting him to stay. Herman is basically the stepdad who the kids don't know and probably don't like right now. I think it depends just as much on the players to trust his process and not push back as much as it is on Herman to get them to buy in.

 

[swVAHorn]

I don't want to hear about a new offense, or a new defense. Several other coaches are winning with much less talent, so if he is a good coach, he'll get it done. The talent is there on both sides of the ball.

Name several of those coaches....Since there are so many it should be easy.

 

[Charlie Mang]

Name several of those coaches....Since there are so many it should be easy.

The essence of his message is correct. There is no excuse not to win 8 or 9 games next year.

 

[bubba2023]

In all the Strong he "needs more time" or "this is a 5 year rebuild" excuse making someone on one of the boards looked at coaches taking over for major programs and they either won early or not at all. Not necessarily year 1, but there aren't usually long term rebuilds. Rosters completely turnover every 4-5 years, so rebuild excuses are already pretty flimsy.

 

[swVAHorn]

The essence of his message is correct. There is no excuse not to win 8 or 9 games next year.

He said 10 games next year. There was no "essence" of my question to him. He said MANY coaches are winning with much less talent. I just want to hear who.

I think Herman will win at least 8 or 9 but to suggest if Herman does not win 10 (which is what he said) he sucks is foolish....especially from a team that had 3 LOSING seasons in a row.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

How could forget Blake Gideon's failure to intercept the floating ball at 2008 Texas Tech

I strongly disliked him being a starting DB at Texas.

 

[jsto60]

I strongly disliked him being a starting DB at Texas.

Who is more frustrating to watch....Gideon or Haines???