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Official Signing Day Thread.......

And still beat Sooner ass, ICYMI
CAHorn Mack proved that beating your main rival wasn't enough to save him. Mack was 8-5 I believe his final year. That is a goal for Strong at this point at 5 mil. per year. Perspective.
 
CAHorn Mack proved that beating your main rival wasn't enough to save him. Mack was 8-5 I believe his final year. That is a goal for Strong at this point at 5 mil. per year. Perspective.
What does that have to do with your "We're young..." comment?
 
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The last time we weren't young we were a game away from the conference championship, with case mccoy as the starting qb
 
CAHorn Mack proved that beating your main rival wasn't enough to save him. Mack was 8-5 I believe his final year. That is a goal for Strong at this point at 5 mil. per year. Perspective.

No the goal is to win all the games. We didn't but we beat yOU :) lol
 
who was the coach...Bowden? that said...expect tolose one game for every freshman you start?
Bobby told me that on my couch in 199- at my home after I asked him if I had a chance to play as a fish. "Lemme tellya sumthin' there hoss..... Eva freshman that plaaays costs ya ah loss at some point".

Words from the wise.
 
Strong has built more good will secondary to the offensive coaching changes and his 2016 recruiting class.

Last year, Texas won 5 games with a poor offense. Additionally, Texas lost 3 games by 3 points or less.

Finally, Texas lost to Iowa State...because our offense stunk.

Next season, (replace Rice with UTEP) I see all 9 games as extremely winnable.
 
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Every team in college football is young to a degree. Texas fans have been touting "we're young' since 2010. Enough already. OU had a very young/new and inexperienced offense last year but the fans still expected a good season. And by good I don't mean 6-6. I mean 9 plus wins since our coach makes 5 mil plus. It's expected.

Credit to NoName on the shag-

There were 16 different freshmen that saw action for the Longhorns in 2015, totaling 5,369 snaps, the most of any freshman class in the nation.

Jay Harper is a typo from Bliuett on special teams. They have the same number.
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We are young. We have been young for so long because Mack was at the tail end of his career and wasn't developing anyone so we were constantly starting younger guys out of desperation. Then Mack was fired, and Strong came in and now we are starting younger guys because the older guys suck still. That's a fact. It is what it is. Being perpetually young is not a good thing, and our record certainly indicate that, but that is what we are.

I don't think 6-7 and 5-7 is acceptable by any means. Outside of recruiting Strong's first 2 years have not been good.
 
As of right now we have 88 scholarship players meaning we can expect to see 3 guys move on. Of those 88, 63 are either going to be true freshmen, redshirt freshmen or sophomores. Without any further attrition, we have 18 seniors next year and none are supposed to start outside of Perkins.
 
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Say what you want, but I will not forget shutout losses to ISU and KSU. Do you know how many times Texas was shutout since 1970, 5 times with two coming in the Charlie Strong era. I will not forget blowout losses either. You can bury your head in the sand, but I prefer to keep my head up and see what we have.



That is, if they can stay on the field, it's a brand new offense being run by a guy who has never ran an offense on his own, you are taking a lot for granted with this one.

Texas for all our recruiting success still hasn't proven jack on the field, when they prove it on the field, I will then apologize for all the bad mean and hurtful things I've said, but until then I say Fvck off to you, because you are a candy ass.
I don't disagree with what you are saying. Winning February means nothing, and Strong has had more blow out losses (20 points or more) in two seasons than any of the previous three coaches, and two (Brown and Royal) coached for 16 seasons. I attribute most of this to the worst hire imaginable (Watson) combined with QB injury (Ash) then the ridiculous decision to keep Watson, who in turn kept Swoopes as the starter.
With that said, there is plenty of reason to be optimistic. Half our team, and all major contributors, were freshman (and D. Foreman) This next class has a chance to be just as impactful. Lets see what they can do with an offseason with a real OC.
 
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Mack had 11 that meet your 20 point standard including 2 in his second year. Five by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

1999 KSU 48-7
1999 Arky 27-6
2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 UCLA 34-12
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21
2013 Ole Miss 44-23
2013 UO 30-7

2012 also had and 18 point loss to KSU thanks to TD against the KSU bench with less than 1 minute left in the game that kept it from being a 25 point loss. In other words, Mack had 2 of those a year over his last 4 years.

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong's first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.

EDIT- added 5 more games I'd forgotten
 
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Mack had 6 that meet your 20 point standard. Four by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.

If Wasatch was an Alabama fan, he will NOT forget the La Monroe loss......
 
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Mack had 6 that meet your 20 point standard. Four by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.


Oh those pesky facts.
 
Mack had 6 that meet your 20 point standard. Four by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.
13 years vs. 2 years.........

Strong also brought in Alex Anderson, Blake Whiteley, Elijah Rodriguez, Edwin Freeman, and John Bonney. They all committed AFTER Mack Brown left and Strong recruited them. The same guys Mack got went 4-7 the year before Mack Brown got here......odd. I like Strong but the revisionist history of how things occurred when Mack took over is getting old.
 
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Mack had 8 that meet your 20 point standard. Four by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21
2013 Ole Miss 44-23
2013 UO 30-7

2012 also had and 18 point loss to KSU.

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.
Six in 16 years, the third not coming until his ninth year on the job. And I get it, Strong had an uphill battle, I'm just acknowledging that while I appreciate the recruiting success, this staff to date has done pretty poorly on the field.
 
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Don't compare Strong and Saban. Saban was playing for the CC in year 2 and winning the NC in year 3. Not to mention signing the top classes in the country. They are on different levels.
 
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If Wasatch was an Alabama fan, he will NOT forget the La Monroe loss......
Alabama was on probation or just coming off when that happened. Major infractions.

Has Charlie Strong done anything wrong since he took over at Texas?

Because if any of us say anything about him messing up out come the pitchforks....damn.
 
Don't compare Strong and Saban. Saban was playing for the CC in year 2 and winning the NC in year 3. Not to mention signing the top classes in the country. They are on different levels.

Saban also had much more talent to work with from the beginning. Yet still managed to lose to ULM. If Wasatch were a Bama fan, he would've been screaming for Saban's head. Obviously he would've felt like an idiot later, just like he will in a couple years.
 
Six in 16 years, the third not coming until his ninth year on the job. And I get it, Strong had an uphill battle, I'm just acknowledging that while I appreciate the recruiting success, this staff to date has done pretty poorly on the field.

Actually it was 11. I'd forgotten 5 others.
 
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Mack had 11 that meet your 20 point standard including 2 in his second year. Five by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

1999 KSU 48-7
1999 Arky 27-6
2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 UCLA 34-12
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21
2013 Ole Miss 44-23
2013 UO 30-7

2012 also had and 18 point loss to KSU thanks to TD against the KSU bench with less than 1 minute left in the game that kept it from being a 25 point loss. In other words, Mack had 2 of those a year over his last 4 years.

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong's first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.
 
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Saban also had much more talent to work with from the beginning. Yet still managed to lose to ULM. If Wasatch were a Bama fan, he would've been screaming for Saban's head. Obviously he would've felt like an idiot later, just like he will in a couple years.

Well it only took one year for Saban. We're still waiting on that elusive winning season for Strong
 
Don't compare Strong and Saban. Saban was playing for the CC in year 2 and winning the NC in year 3. Not to mention signing the top classes in the country. They are on different levels.

My point was even Saban lost to ULM while remaking his roster.
 
Well it only took one year for Saban. We're still waiting on that elusive winning season for Strong

Many of us consider 2015 Strong's first year to remake the roster due to how the transition was handled.
 
Updated version so people don't have to go back up-

Mack had 11 that meet your 20 point standard including 2 in his second year. Five by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

1999 KSU 48-7
1999 Arky 27-6
2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 UCLA 34-12
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21
2013 Ole Miss 44-23
2013 UO 30-7

2012 also had and 18 point loss to KSU thanks to TD against the KSU bench with less than 1 minute left in the game that kept it from being a 25 point loss. In other words, Mack had 2 of those a year over his last 4 years.

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong's first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.

You forgot a few:

2007 KSU 41-21
2013 Oklahoma St. 38-13
2013 Baylor 30-10
 
Updated version so people don't have to go back up-

Mack had 11 that meet your 20 point standard including 2 in his second year. Five by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.

1999 KSU 48-7
1999 Arky 27-6
2000 OU 63-14
2003 OU 65-15
2010 UCLA 34-12
2010 KSU 39-14
2011 OU 55-17
2011 BU 48-24
2012 OU 63-21
2013 Ole Miss 44-23
2013 UO 30-7

2012 also had and 18 point loss to KSU thanks to TD against the KSU bench with less than 1 minute left in the game that kept it from being a 25 point loss. In other words, Mack had 2 of those a year over his last 4 years.

Nick Saban lost to La Monroe in Tuscaloosa in his first year rebuilding the roster to his guys. 2015 was Strong's first chance to bring in a full class of his guys. Poona and Nelson were his only guys in the 2014 class.
Ok so Mack had more than I thought, but Strong is on a break neck pace. The point remains that it's great to be excited about recruiting, but skepticism is still warranted
 
It's year two of the biggest rebuilding job we've ever seen. He's rebuilding the talent even in the toughest of times. The players obviously believe in him, and that's a big part of the battle. It was gonna get worse before it could get better. Give the man time to do his job.
 
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13 years vs. 2 years.........

Strong also brought in Alex Anderson, Blake Whiteley, Elijah Rodriguez, Edwin Freeman, and John Bonney. They all committed AFTER Mack Brown left and Strong recruited them. The same guys Mack got went 4-7 the year before Mack Brown got here......odd. I like Strong but the revisionist history of how things occurred when Mack took over is getting old.

This.

Lots of coaches take over programs in much worse shape, and they don't consecutively do worse on the field than the last coach. The Mack Brown excuse only goes so far. As does the no talent excuse.


FACTS
Macks team went 8-5 in his last year. With no real major losses from that roster to the NFL.

Charlie took that team and went 6-7. Then magically with a roster devoid of talent...somehow the NFL didn't notice and it drafted 5 players (3 of which were voted rookies of the yr by their respective teammates)....and at least 3 more players were signed to practice squads and saw snaps in games.

Charlie then goes 5-7. And there will be guys drafted. Of which many of you here will blame Mack and credit Charlie.

Lets not be Aggie. Constantly blaming the last guy for the current guys losses. Charlie had work to do. Just like every coach that takes over when a previous coach leaves. So far it hasn't been that impressive. What he is doing well, is he is doing it his way. He finally let go of the issues on the offensive coaching staff that he never should have brought with him. And I do firmly believe it is headed in the right direction. But plenty of coaches have had winning records with far, far less.

One of the things I respect most about him, is that he points out at the end of each year that HIS staff was the one coaching the players and HIS staff needs to do better. I am so glad we don't see him blaming Mack. You know, since Mack hasn't been on a sideline since two rivals website redesigns ago.
 
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So, the 2015 class wasn't impressive to you? Because that was the first chance Strong got at bringing in his guys.
 
So, the 2015 class wasn't impressive to you? Because that was the first chance Strong got at bringing in his guys.

Recruiting rankings are cute and all. And I love the foundation that Strong is building. But those recruits need to translate in to wins.

Lots of people here got fed up with Mack winning recruiting titles and then winning 10 or 12 games and too often missing out on winning the conference. Mack got fired when the norm became 9 wins or so.

I'd love too see Strong win 9 games. Hell I'd take a winning season from him. I really believe he is building it. And yeah, I'm excited about recruiting. But only because that tends to translate to wins. It is nut cutting time aka time to translate things to some wins. Mack Brown didn't make Strong hire Watson. Mack didn't make him keep him to revamp the O in to a style he knew nothing about. And Mack didn't demote him one game in to year 2. Mack Brown didn't count on Ash to be a starter, only to not get a backup plan more ready. And Mack Brown didn't boot off a bunch of the OL. And Mack didn't tell Strong he couldn't address the QB situation before year 3 or not take a transfer QB. Just saying. Mack isn't on the sidelines anymore. Only time I talk about Mack, is when I see his commentary on my TV.
 
This.

Lots of coaches take over programs in much worse shape, and they don't consecutively do worse on the field than the last coach. The Mack Brown excuse only goes so far. As does the no talent excuse.


FACTS
Macks team went 8-5 in his last year. With no real major losses from that roster to the NFL.

Charlie took that team and went 6-7. Then magically with a roster devoid of talent...somehow the NFL didn't notice and it drafted 5 players (3 of which were voted rookies of the yr by their respective teammates)....and at least 3 more players were signed to practice squads and saw snaps in games.

Charlie then goes 5-7. And there will be guys drafted. Of which many of you here will blame Mack and credit Charlie.

Lets not be Aggie. Constantly blaming the last guy for the current guys losses. Charlie had work to do. Just like every coach that takes over when a previous coach leaves. So far it hasn't been that impressive. What he is doing well, is he is doing it his way. He finally let go of the issues on the offensive coaching staff that he never should have brought with him. And I do firmly believe it is headed in the right direction. But plenty of coaches have had winning records with far, far less.

One of the things I respect most about him, is that he points out at the end of each year that HIS staff was the one coaching the players and HIS staff needs to do better. I am so glad we don't see him blaming Mack. You know, since Mack hasn't been on a sideline since two rivals website redesigns ago.

Yeah the draft pics that played really well were on the defensive side of the ball. Lets look at the offense. We lost two starters on the O-line one of which would have been an NFL draft pick. Espinosa with a broken foot, Estelle who couldn't stop somking pot. And then there was Mason Walters, Trey Hopkins, and Donald Hawkins who were all done in 2013. So you have 5 new starters on the O-line and depth was so bad they had to bring a Defensive Tackle over. Then lets talk about QB. In 2013 we hand noodle arm and slow Case McCoy but he had a football IQ that was light years ahead of Swoopes.

So in 2014 we go to a QB who by all accounts never should have been recruited as a QB playing behind and O-Line with 5 new starters and no real depth. Do you really think Mack would have done better with that group?
 
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Mack had 11 that meet your 20 point standard including 2 in his second year. Five by 38 points or more. Brown inherited a good OL, Ricky Williams, and Major Applewhite. Charlie got a few a guys on defense and a bare cupboard on offense.


How good would Texas have been in 1998 if Richard Walton wouldn't have gotten hurt? Mack lucked into Major. Chris Simms would've started as a true freshman in '99 and there wouldn't have been any Major Applewhite.
 
To be fair, he apparently had no problem forgetting all those OU blowout losses. I'd laugh, but that's really not funny.

What the hell are you talking about? When did I ever say I forgot about Mack's suckage?

For all of Mack's issues, he had a few skins on the wall, and none of them had anything to do with recruiting. With that said, he used up all of them by 2013. I was calling for his head long before the ax fell. No one was happier when we finally pushed him out.
 
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