OT: Area 51 + stupid people = funerals

[clob94]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehil...f-us-over-400000-people-plan-to-raid-area?amp

It appears there is a huge push for folks on Facebook to join this "raid" of area 51 whereby thousands of people will storm the facility with the mindset of "well they can't kill us all"--- in order to uncover if there are aliens being studied at this very highly classified facility.
Two things--- yes they can kill you all. There are signs posted all around that area that say the use of lethal force is authorized. This isn't a scene out of a Will Smith movie. This place is located in a mountain range. Simply driving there is a monumental chore. It's why when most folks arrive, they arrive via aircraft. The question is---- WILL they kill you all--- not CAN they kill you all.
Second--- it's mathematically proven that life does exist in the vast reaches of space. There are more than 200 millions solar bodies (suns) just in our little spec of a galaxy (milky way) and our galaxy is tiny compared to most. There are over 100 billion galaxies that we KNOW about. See where I'm going with this?

Yes--- life exists elsewhere. Is it intelligent life? Maybe. Maybe not. But use your common sense and realize that it's not worth getting shot whilst storming the most secured and secretive military compound in the history of western civilization.

If this is all about finding out if there are little green men flying around in saucers, these folks are going to be really disappointed.

 

[LonghornMM]

Area 51 is there for the development and testing of military equipment, etc. It has nothing to do with "little green men", or flying saucers stored there.

 

[clob94]

Area 51 is there for the development and testing of military equipment, etc. It has nothing to do with "little green men", or flying saucers stored there.

Don't say it to me--- say it to the stupids.

 

[DrinkToIt]

Well. I say good luck to them. I hope its all caught on film.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

By all means, folks, please try.

This country could stand some pruning of our oversupply of paranoiacs and deranged conspiracy theorists.

 

[clob94]

By all means, folks, please try.

This country could stand some pruning of our oversupply of paranoiacs and deranged conspiracy theorists.

I've been told that the Air Force has been very impressed with the newest update in the AC-130 and have nicknamed it the "ghostrider". Shouldn't take long to disperse the crowd.

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Is it wrong that I kinda want them to attempt going through with it? I promise once the first warning shot is fired, the only people not hauling ass back home are the ones laying on the ground too scared to move.

Rock throwers.....against a military installation? The bulbs are real bright in this group.

 

[oldhorn2]

back in the 60's they put mini guns out the door of the ..c130's?. and slow rolled it over the field of combat....when the guns went off, the tracers looked just like a wide angle red flood light on the ground ( and the tracer was just every 5th round)...on a football field they guaranteed at LEAST one round in every single square foot. That was in the 60's.....with one plane.....with one mini gun each....What in hell do these fools think they are going up against? It is just possible that improvements have been made in the last 60 years in military armament.


then again....there will be little shot up men.....green or not.

 

[Belldozer1]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/452819-they-cant-stop-all-of-us-over-400000-people-plan-to-raid-area?amp

It appears there is a huge push for folks on Facebook to join this "raid" of area 51 whereby thousands of people will storm the facility with the mindset of "well they can't kill us all"--- in order to uncover if there are aliens being studied at this very highly classified facility.
Two things--- yes they can kill you all. There are signs posted all around that area that say the use of lethal force is authorized. This isn't a scene out of a Will Smith movie. This place is located in a mountain range. Simply driving there is a monumental chore. It's why when most folks arrive, they arrive via aircraft. The question is---- WILL they kill you all--- not CAN they kill you all.
Second--- it's mathematically proven that life does exist in the vast reaches of space. There are more than 200 millions solar bodies (suns) just in our little spec of a galaxy (milky way) and our galaxy is tiny compared to most. There are over 100 billion galaxies that we KNOW about. See where I'm going with this?

Yes--- life exists elsewhere. Is it intelligent life? Maybe. Maybe not. But use your common sense and realize that it's not worth getting shot whilst storming the most secured and secretive military compound in the history of western civilization.

If this is all about finding out if there are little green men flying around in saucers, these folks are going to be really disappointed.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/452819-they-cant-stop-all-of-us-over-400000-people-plan-to-raid-area?amp

It appears there is a huge push for folks on Facebook to join this "raid" of area 51 whereby thousands of people will storm the facility with the mindset of "well they can't kill us all"--- in order to uncover if there are aliens being studied at this very highly classified facility.
Two things--- yes they can kill you all. There are signs posted all around that area that say the use of lethal force is authorized. This isn't a scene out of a Will Smith movie. This place is located in a mountain range. Simply driving there is a monumental chore. It's why when most folks arrive, they arrive via aircraft. The question is---- WILL they kill you all--- not CAN they kill you all.
Second--- it's mathematically proven that life does exist in the vast reaches of space. There are more than 200 millions solar bodies (suns) just in our little spec of a galaxy (milky way) and our galaxy is tiny compared to most. There are over 100 billion galaxies that we KNOW about. See where I'm going with this?

Yes--- life exists elsewhere. Is it intelligent life? Maybe. Maybe not. But use your common sense and realize that it's not worth getting shot whilst storming the most secured and secretive military compound in the history of western civilization.

If this is all about finding out if there are little green men flying around in saucers, these folks are going to be really disappointed.

i heard scientific astronomers at Area 51 have been studying a black hole found near Uranus for foreign objects

 

[bschroed21]

Clob, with much respect, life doesn’t happen by accident. For this argument, we will just use the probability of the right galaxy, star, and solar system all falling into the required range to produce a planet even similar to earth. The dependencies include things like Galaxy size, shape, location, type, star size age, size, mass, star color luminosity, planet position/location relative to stars, other planets, moons, and solar systems. gravitational pull, tilt of axis, tidal forces, H3+ production in galaxy, atmospheric pressure, tectonic and volcanic activity, oxygen to nitrogen ratio in the atmosphere, water vapor level in atmosphere, oxygen quantity, ozone quantity, atmospheric electric discharge rate, and thousands upon thousands of other dependencies with such a low probabilities that the chance a planet like earth exists somewhere else is less than 1 in one hundred billion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion.

Life doesn’t happen on its own, randomly by accident. The fine tuning it takes to create life points heavily toward a designer. It’s gotten to the point that “astronomers who reject design no longer have a scientific basis for their position” (Hugh Ross).

Check out chapter 15 in the book “Mere Creation” sometime. Most of the book is way over my head. It digs deep into math, biology, physics, ecology, astrophysics, evolutionary biology, etc. to explain why it’s pretty silly to stand on random chance and accident as an explanation for how life came to exist as we know it. There is just too much evidence that screams design and purpose.

Rant over. Sorry.

 

[clob94]

Clob, with much respect, life doesn’t happen by accident. For this argument, we will just use the probability of the right galaxy, star, and solar system all falling into the required range to produce a planet even similar to earth. The dependencies include things like Galaxy size, shape, location, type, star size age, size, mass, star color luminosity, planet position/location relative to stars, other planets, moons, and solar systems. gravitational pull, tilt of axis, tidal forces, H3+ production in galaxy, atmospheric pressure, tectonic and volcanic activity, oxygen to nitrogen ratio in the atmosphere, water vapor level in atmosphere, oxygen quantity, ozone quantity, atmospheric electric discharge rate, and thousands upon thousands of other dependencies with such a low probabilities that the chance a planet like earth exists somewhere else is less than 1 in one hundred billion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion.

Life doesn’t happen on its own, randomly by accident. The fine tuning it takes to create life points heavily toward a designer. It’s gotten to the point that “astronomers who reject design no longer have a scientific basis for their position” (Hugh Ross).

Check out chapter 15 in the book “Mere Creation” sometime. Most of the book is way over my head. It digs deep into math, biology, physics, ecology, astrophysics, evolutionary biology, etc. to explain why it’s pretty silly to stand on random chance and accident as an explanation for how life came to exist as we know it. There is just too much evidence that screams design and purpose.

Rant over. Sorry.

I didn't see it as a rant. And I get what you're saying from a spiritual angle. If God made us (whomever you may call God) then we must assume that an omnipresent and omnipotent being could have also designed other places similar to ours, and *gasp* simply didn't tell us because our tiny little brains would have exploded.

I've read several books regarding the "Goldilocks theory" of which you very succinctly described. in working on a project recently with scientists at the Bureau of Economics and geology at the Pickle Research Institute in Austin, i got into a conversation with a man that had like five freaking PhDs and one of them was in planetary science. As you can surely imagine, this super nerd tried to sprinkle me with his super nerdery knowledge about how he studies planets in other solar systems to see if they would be viable candidates for living organisms. According to astro-nerd, they have identified 17 thus far.

It was compelling conversation where he basically told me that the scientific community is pretty much united in the fact that life does exist elsewhere. The debates begin when they try and agree on whether it's single celled or multi-celled organisms.

 

[crazypatriotguy]

Clob, with much respect, life doesn’t happen by accident. For this argument, we will just use the probability of the right galaxy, star, and solar system all falling into the required range to produce a planet even similar to earth. The dependencies include things like Galaxy size, shape, location, type, star size age, size, mass, star color luminosity, planet position/location relative to stars, other planets, moons, and solar systems. gravitational pull, tilt of axis, tidal forces, H3+ production in galaxy, atmospheric pressure, tectonic and volcanic activity, oxygen to nitrogen ratio in the atmosphere, water vapor level in atmosphere, oxygen quantity, ozone quantity, atmospheric electric discharge rate, and thousands upon thousands of other dependencies with such a low probabilities that the chance a planet like earth exists somewhere else is less than 1 in one hundred billion, trillion, trillion, trillion, trillion.

Life doesn’t happen on its own, randomly by accident. The fine tuning it takes to create life points heavily toward a designer. It’s gotten to the point that “astronomers who reject design no longer have a scientific basis for their position” (Hugh Ross).

Check out chapter 15 in the book “Mere Creation” sometime. Most of the book is way over my head. It digs deep into math, biology, physics, ecology, astrophysics, evolutionary biology, etc. to explain why it’s pretty silly to stand on random chance and accident as an explanation for how life came to exist as we know it. There is just too much evidence that screams design and purpose.

Rant over. Sorry.

The way I've always looked at it: if it is just us, God went WAAAAAAAAAAY overboard with the size of the universe.

 

[clob94]

The way I've always looked at it: if it just us, God went WAAAAAAAAAAY overboard with the size of the universe.

That would mean God had some serious insecurity issues and well, I don't see an omnipresent entity being insecure.

 

[DrinkToIt]

That would mean God had some serious insecurity issues and well, I don't see an omnipresent entity being insecure.

Im sure God is hung like a mutha.

 

[clob94]

Im sure God is hung like a mutha.

It doesn't make you gay if you think about God's penis.

 

[Drtxhorn]

Greetings earthlings. My name is Fraknor...warlord of the planet Proton.... I come in peace. I'm seeking a 3rd dimension goddess from the Vrickian galaxy with gargantuan "tata's" and a pleasant disposition.

No weirdos, please.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I've been told that the Air Force has been very impressed with the newest update in the AC-130 and have nicknamed it the "ghostrider". Shouldn't take long to disperse the crowd.

That's what I'm hoping to see, a bunch of stupid people storming the gates and our military using some badass weapon to light them up. It will give Putin something to think about.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I didn't see it as a rant. And I get what you're saying from a spiritual angle. If God made us (whomever you may call God) then we must assume that an omnipresent and omnipotent being could have also designed other places similar to ours, and *gasp* simply didn't tell us because our tiny little brains would have exploded.

I've read several books regarding the "Goldilocks theory" of which you very succinctly described. in working on a project recently with scientists at the Bureau of Economics and geology at the Pickle Research Institute in Austin, i got into a conversation with a man that had like five freaking PhDs and one of them was in planetary science. As you can surely imagine, this super nerd tried to sprinkle me with his super nerdery knowledge about how he studies planets in other solar systems to see if they would be viable candidates for living organisms. According to astro-nerd, they have identified 17 thus far.

It was compelling conversation where he basically told me that the scientific community is pretty much united in the fact that life does exist elsewhere. The debates begin when they try and agree on whether it's single celled or multi-celled organisms.

There is a very strong possibility that there is life on Europa. It has an internal heat source in it's volcanos and ti's covered in Ice. more than likely there is under a layer of ice, liquid water and likely organic life.

 

[Tony3487]

 

[El_Chile_Relleno]

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

I've been told that the Air Force has been very impressed with the newest update in the AC-130 and have nicknamed it the "ghostrider". Shouldn't take long to disperse the crowd.

When its dodgin surface to air shoulder missiles fired 3 at a time and runs outa flares

 

[bschroed21]

There is a very strong possibility that there is life on Europa. It has an internal heat source in it's volcanos and ti's covered in Ice. more than likely there is under a layer of ice, liquid water and likely organic life.

Except for the proven fact that life does not arise from non-living matter. Never has, never will . . . by itself.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Except for the proven fact that life does not arise from non-living matter. Never has, never will . . . by itself.

What made life arise here?

 

[Belldozer1]

What made life arise here?

A Big Bang?

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

A Big Bang?

That's how I became a daddy.

 

[UTGrad87]

PT Barnum being proved correct once again!

Perhaps someone should show these people what a human body looks like after being hit by a 50 cal.

 

[clob94]

When its dodgin surface to air shoulder missiles fired 3 at a time and runs outa flares

I was unaware that civilians could get their hands on manpads. Who's your arms dealer? Can you hook me up?

 

[cml7374]

Listen.... if these people are Liberals from California..... then who am I to tell them not to go for it.

 

[oldhorn2]

Except for the proven fact that life does not arise from non-living matter. Never has, never will . . . by itself.

proven fact???.....by who was this proven?

the only thing weirder than the subject of this debate is the debaters themselves...

I have no interest in denigrating the beliefs of the scientific or spiritual community, but seriously?......

 

[oldhorn2]

dammit!....now Clob is gonna come on here and say I should have said by whom.......

 

[clob94]

dammit!....now Clob is gonna come on here and say I should have said by whom.......

It's my mom and her damn degree in English. Drill crap like that in my head. My bad.

 

[oldschoolcat]

What made life arise here?

 

[bschroed21]

proven fact???.....by who was this proven?

the only thing weirder than the subject of this debate is the debaters themselves...

I have no interest in denigrating the beliefs of the scientific or spiritual community, but seriously?......

Spontaneous Generation was disproven long ago. (Louis Pasteur/John Tyndall) Life only arises from life. Assuming that some random bunch of molecules “figured out” a way to become a living thing goes against the very basic tenants of science and biology. It’s right in front of our eyes. God is the author and sustainer of life. We were all created to know him and be known by him. Outside of Him, there is no purpose, no meaning, no right or wrong, no reason for hope. Apart from Him, we are simply a short breath that comes and goes and is quickly forgotten forever.

It’s funny, more and more evidence points to a designer (God) being plausible, yet people dismiss it altogether as a possible answer. It’s like deciding 64 cant be the answer, so if we only have 8 x 8 or 32 x 2 or 16 x 4 to work with, we dismiss them because they equal 64. Because if 64 is the answer, there are implications for everybody. Life gets different when there is someone to answer to. We will all answer.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Spontaneous Generation was disproven long ago. (Louis Pasteur/John Tyndall) Life only arises from life. Assuming that some random bunch of molecules “figured out” a way to become a living thing goes against the very basic tenants of science and biology. It’s right in front of our eyes. God is the author and sustainer of life. We were all created to know him and be known by him. Outside of Him, there is no purpose, no meaning, no right or wrong, no reason for hope. Apart from Him, we are simply a short breath that comes and goes and is quickly forgotten forever.

It’s funny, more and more evidence points to a designer (God) being plausible, yet people dismiss it altogether as a possible answer. It’s like deciding 64 cant be the answer, so if we only have 8 x 8 or 32 x 2 or 16 x 4 to work with, we dismiss them because they equal 64. Because if 64 is the answer, there are implications for everybody. Life gets different when there is someone to answer to. We will all answer.

Okay so you hold that God is the author of life on this planet, so how do you know he is not the author of life on Europa or other planets? Sounds like you have a very narrow view of God.

 

[oldhorn2]

dumbest argument I ever heard...even so....it aint proven.