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OT: Area 51 + stupid people = funerals

Guys, please know I’m not attacking. Just having friendly conversation. Sometimes written words seem to hold emotion that wasn’t intended.

Oldhorn, just to be clear, are you really saying that spontaneous generation hasn’t been disproven? It’s one of the first things taught in pretty much any biology book. Non-living things don’t turn into living things.

Son of Wasatch, I wasn’t necessarily saying God has limited life to Earth. I assure you my view of God is as big as my human brain can fathom. The point I was making was that just because there might be somewhat favorable conditions elsewhere does not mean that life exists there. Non-living material doesn’t form into living material by chance.

There are two huge problems right out of the starting blocks in the race to explain our existence outside of a creator. 1. You have to assume that all of the thousands of finely tuned dependencies that occur in our universe, galaxy, and Solar system to allow life to be possible happened randomly by accident. Keep in mind if the universe was expanding at a rate any slower or faster than it’s is now, You wouldn’t be reading this. You wouldn’t exist. 2. Once that big accident happened, totally randomly, some non-living matter ALSO formed into a living thing randomly, by chance. This goes against everything we know about biology, chemistry, and physics. Furthermore, nowhere ever have we observed that EVER happening in nature . . . ever. Yet, people put their faith in those two things, regardless of their absurdity.

Arno Penzias, Nobel laureate in Physics and the former director of Bell Laboratories states that “Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, and delicately balanced to provide exactly the conditions required to support life. In the absence of an absurdly-improbable accident, the observations of modern science seem to suggest an underlying, one might say, supernatural plan”.
 
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Guys, please know I’m not attacking. Just having friendly conversation. Sometimes written words seem to hold emotion that wasn’t intended.

Oldhorn, just to be clear, are you really saying that spontaneous generation hasn’t been disproven? It’s one of the first things taught in pretty much any biology book. Non-living things don’t turn into living things.

Son of Wasatch, I wasn’t necessarily saying God has limited life to Earth. I assure you my view of God is as big as my human brain can fathom. The point I was making was that just because there might be somewhat favorable conditions elsewhere does not mean that life exists there. Non-living material doesn’t form into living material by chance.

There are two huge problems right out of the starting blocks in the race to explain our existence outside of a creator. 1. You have to assume that all of the thousands of finely tuned dependencies that occur in our universe, galaxy, and Solar system to allow life to be possible happened randomly by accident. Keep in mind if the universe was expanding at a rate any slower or faster than it’s is now, You wouldn’t be reading this. You wouldn’t exist. 2. Once that big accident happened, totally randomly, some non-living matter ALSO formed into a living thing randomly, by chance. This goes against everything we know about biology, chemistry, and physics. Furthermore, nowhere ever have we observed that EVER happening in nature . . . ever. Yet, people put their faith in those two things, regardless of their absurdity.

Arno Penzias, Nobel laureate in Physics and the former director of Bell Laboratories states that “Astronomy leads us to a unique event, a universe which was created out of nothing, and delicately balanced to provide exactly the conditions required to support life. In the absence of an absurdly-improbable accident, the observations of modern science seem to suggest an underlying, one might say, supernatural plan”.
Aaaaaand again---- as I stated in my first post------- whomever your Supreme creator might be-- God, Allah, yahway, ganesha, science---

Somehow, something happened. And just because it happened here------ doesn't lean IT didn't happen somewhere else. That's a fair and accurate mathematical assumption. And it's completely conceivable that the Supreme being created more than one solitary civilization.
 
Three laws of thermodynamics. They are true.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/introchem/chapter/the-three-laws-of-thermodynamics/

1. Energy is constant.

2. (Entropy) All things, if left alone, will decay and become disorderly, not the opposite. (This one kills Darwin's theory of evolution.)

3. Confusing..... Entropy is not constant except in some perfect conditions.

Anyway, we have limited information on most of the above and it's by design. What anyone believes about an afterlife or space outside our solar system is done in faith. We don't have concrete evidence that we can see, hear, touch, etc.... Debating these topics will only result in ruffled and soiled panties.... See law #2.
 
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Any time I'm in a doctor's office I find myself studying the anatomy charts on the walls. The level of detail and the complex systems that are involved are amazing. As an engineer, and a builder, and somebody who likes to create things, I know for a fact these are not mere happenstance. SOMETHING put these systems together, and something beyond our comprehension was involved in turning these systems "on". I can't imagine it was only done once.

And if you storm a military installation, you will be treated as an invading combatant and a Darwin award nominee.
 
My Father was Crash Rescue Chief out there when it happen and he toll everything went total blank on info and everyone had to take a death oath on what happen there, he told ne a little but not much as he was scared about the oath thing, I think he was one of the guys that pulled to the bodies outa the crask, can't confirm it, but he just never talked about it, even to my Mom or anyone, it was like a secret part of his life
 
My Father was Crash Rescue Chief out there when it happen and he toll everything went total blank on info and everyone had to take a death oath on what happen there, he told ne a little but not much as he was scared about the oath thing, I think he was one of the guys that pulled to the bodies outa the crask, can't confirm it, but he just never talked about it, even to my Mom or anyone, it was like a secret part of his life
Are you fvcking serious or are you pulling our leg?
 
how do you know?
Well we know all of our supersonic spy birds were developed/tested there. As well as our stealth aircraft. And our stealth helo's used in Neptune spear to kill Osama. And in truth, there's only one dude on this thread that would have even been close enough to developmental aircraft for troop deployment (stealth help) with a TS clearance and a need to know sensitive compartmented information------ and that's @GuaranteedFresh!

So fresh, you ever get to go out to that place that doesn't exist, that you're not even allowed to confirm or deny what it's name actually is?
 
Well we know all of our supersonic spy birds were developed/tested there. As well as our stealth aircraft. And our stealth helo's used in Neptune spear to kill Osama. And in truth, there's only one dude on this thread that would have even been close enough to developmental aircraft for troop deployment (stealth help) with a TS clearance and a need to know sensitive compartmented information------ and that's @GuaranteedFresh!

So fresh, you ever get to go out to that place that doesn't exist, that you're not even allowed to confirm or deny what it's name actually is?
why couldn't it be used for both? have you toured the facility?
 
why couldn't it be used for both? have you toured the facility?
As I stated--- there is only one person in this forum that would have the clearance and need to access that facility. We can ask him--- though it's highly likely he won't be able to say one way or the other. And it's not really cool to ask in the first place, on the internet, in a public forum--- but I already know what he's going to say and he probably knows I know that.
Back to your inference that they could be there--- yes, you're correct. They could be there. So could Elvis. George Bush's hurricane machine could be there. Jimmy Hoffa's body could be there. Maybe that's where they've hidden Obama's college transcripts and the deleted 18 minutes of the Nixon tapes.

Anything can be there. But we know for a fact what's been developed there-- and I'm trying to stick to facts.
 
Any time I'm in a doctor's office I find myself studying the anatomy charts on the walls. The level of detail and the complex systems that are involved are amazing. As an engineer, and a builder, and somebody who likes to create things, I know for a fact these are not mere happenstance. SOMETHING put these systems together, and something beyond our comprehension was involved in turning these systems "on". I can't imagine it was only done once.

And if you storm a military installation, you will be treated as an invading combatant and a Darwin award nominee.
Getting my BS in biology and then my MD made me even more convinced of a creator. There are so many minute processes and signals that occur during human development and daily life that it is hard to imagine that happening by chance.
 
totally disagree.

Disagree with me all you want. I've read enough to convince me that Area 51 is a military development facility and nothing more. I don't believe in UFO's or ghosts. Change my mind with credible reasoning...
 
Well we know all of our supersonic spy birds were developed/tested there. As well as our stealth aircraft. And our stealth helo's used in Neptune spear to kill Osama. And in truth, there's only one dude on this thread that would have even been close enough to developmental aircraft for troop deployment (stealth help) with a TS clearance and a need to know sensitive compartmented information------ and that's @GuaranteedFresh!

So fresh, you ever get to go out to that place that doesn't exist, that you're not even allowed to confirm or deny what it's name actually is?
A51 is what you think it is, testing facilities of our new and future war toys out of the publics prying eyes. Primarily black (stealth) development before operational testing at Edwards AFB.
No, I never went inside and TS doesn't automatically give someone a hall pass. Truly is a "need to know" basis only. Loose lips sinks ships and the Chinese are always listening.

If these fools really want to dig for truth dirt they are looking in the wrong area. Conveniently located in the range is an area called S4, nobody but nobody has access for multiple "reasons." High radiation levels from prior nuclear tests, dangerously high pressure from hitting an underground lake, & disposal site of nuclear waste barrels.

If they think reaching A51 gates is difficult, this area would be impossible. Inside could be radiation death....or...could be the predator. Don't know but there are some interesting accounts online from a couple of guys that claimed to have worked there.

I have zero 1st hand knowledge of any of it, only what I've read on the public web.
 
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A51 is what you think it is, testing facilities of our new and future war toys out of the publics prying eyes. Primarily black (stealth) development before operational testing at Edwards AFB.
No, I never went inside and TS doesn't automatically give someone a hall pass. Truly is a "need to know" basis only. Loose lips sinks ships and the Chinese are always listening.

If these fools really want to dig for truth dirt they are looking in the wrong area. Conveniently located in the range is an area called S4, nobody but nobody has access for multiple "reasons." High radiation levels from prior nuclear tests, dangerously high pressure from hitting an underground lake, & disposal site of nuclear waste barrels.

If they think reaching A51 gates is difficult, this area would be impossible. Inside could be radiation death....or...could be the predator. Don't know but there are some interesting accounts online from a couple of guys that claimed to have worked there.

I have zero 1st hand knowledge of any of it, only what I've read on the public web.

Cool, S4 sounds like a Jeffrey Epstein island.
 
Disagree with me all you want. I've read enough to convince me that Area 51 is a military development facility and nothing more. I don't believe in UFO's or ghosts. Change my mind with credible reasoning...
UFOs are very real and encountered or observed on a near daily basis. From unexplained radar hits to pilots debriefing about visual contact.
Electronics and the human eye have a tendency to be easily fooled so we take what we know and label it as unidentified.
ALF, on the other hand, has yet to be proven that we are aware of.
 
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Cool, S4 sounds like a Jeffrey Epstein island.
That MF'er deserves the worst of the worst torture and every last cent of his wealth should be divided up amongst the victims.
It sounds like there are a ton of big names potentially involved with this crap too. Everyone from Oprah to Trump. Crazy.
 
Here is what I can tell you. A buddy of mine flies fighter jets out of Hill AFB in Clearfield Utah. He is part of the Black Widow Squad. They often do security flights over the part of the country known as Area 51. He knows stuff that many of us don't.

When Putin was showing off his latest missiles and bragging how he can deliver them to the United States and our allies, all he said was, we have some serious stuff that Putin doesn't even know about. Think AI robotic tanks, and planes. Think implanting the brain of a dog into a robotic ground support unit. think of implanting the brain of dolphin into the mechanical robotics of a small sub.

That is the kind of stuff that is going on in Area 51.
 
Here is what I can tell you. A buddy of mine flies fighter jets out of Hill AFB in Clearfield Utah. He is part of the Black Widow Squad. They often do security flights over the part of the country known as Area 51. He knows stuff that many of us don't.

When Putin was showing off his latest missiles and bragging how he can deliver them to the United States and our allies, all he said was, we have some serious stuff that Putin doesn't even know about. Think AI robotic tanks, and planes. Think implanting the brain of a dog into a robotic ground support unit. think of implanting the brain of dolphin into the mechanical robotics of a small sub.

That is the kind of stuff that is going on in Area 51.
One of these days you're going to read about this:

(allegedly) NASA knows how long radio information takes to travel through space from earth to the moon or Mars or voyager II etc. But radio waves can only contain so much data and that's limited. BUT--- much like fiber optics replaced copper cables-- light can travel faster AND with tons more information crammed into it. So NASA along with "other" entities started working with lasers that could be fired into deep space so the information could travel faster and in greater data loads. Makes sense, right?

Well, we took that idea and did what we do, we weaponized it.

Now imagine taking that laser and putting it in a plane or a satellite and flying it over or by an enemy. And imagine the data being fired from that laser isn't "data", but instead, a virus like the STUXNET virus. And because our super nerds in this country are smart, all you have to do is hit a radar sight or a missile truck or even a submarine in dry dock for repairs and voila! I have just infected your submarine or your missile launcher or your bomber or whatever you're operating that has a computer in it---- with my virus. I didn't need to plug in anything into your computer. I simply shot a laser at it and now----- I own you. I can make your missiles explode right there in their silo if I want. I can make your submarine sink whenever I want. I can make your bomber fall out of the sky. I can also turn off your power grid with the flip of a switch.


Don't believe me that this tech exists? Pick a dollar amount and I'll be by to collect in about 10-15 years.
 
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/452819-they-cant-stop-all-of-us-over-400000-people-plan-to-raid-area?amp

It appears there is a huge push for folks on Facebook to join this "raid" of area 51 whereby thousands of people will storm the facility with the mindset of "well they can't kill us all"--- in order to uncover if there are aliens being studied at this very highly classified facility.
Two things--- yes they can kill you all. There are signs posted all around that area that say the use of lethal force is authorized. This isn't a scene out of a Will Smith movie. This place is located in a mountain range. Simply driving there is a monumental chore. It's why when most folks arrive, they arrive via aircraft. The question is---- WILL they kill you all--- not CAN they kill you all.
Second--- it's mathematically proven that life does exist in the vast reaches of space. There are more than 200 millions solar bodies (suns) just in our little spec of a galaxy (milky way) and our galaxy is tiny compared to most. There are over 100 billion galaxies that we KNOW about. See where I'm going with this?

Yes--- life exists elsewhere. Is it intelligent life? Maybe. Maybe not. But use your common sense and realize that it's not worth getting shot whilst storming the most secured and secretive military compound in the history of western civilization.

If this is all about finding out if there are little green men flying around in saucers, these folks are going to be really disappointed.

...it's a joke
 
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