Prayers out to the victims! Time to load ya guns up boy's to go to work or grocery shopping..sad but, true!
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OT: Cali Shooting
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Unfortunately most companies will not allow guns in the building. But yeah make sure you keep your family and yourself safe from all types of idiots out there.
I'm always watching out for an active shooter. I hope I never see it. But, I repeatedly play out my actions in my head. It's sad. This isn't the world I grew up in.
These criminals arent going to obey the law, and they know they have the advantage because of it. You still have almost no chance of every being killed by a gunman, despite what anyone says. Banning guns tomorrow isnt going to eliminate them. There are millions of them all across the country. Regulating them even more isnt going to stop this from happening just as all the alcohol laws in the world havent stopped people from driving drunk and killing as many people as guns do. These things are freak situations, not common at all, despite what anyone says. Look at the statistics. You have a better chance of winning the lottery than being killed by a gunman.
While you have valid points on here this is something that has to be stopped. Regardless of the odds taking another ones life is something that has to be stopped no matter the numbers. But I don't know what can be done to stop it and that is so frustrating to me.
Ah yes, alcohol. We all remember prohibition. A time where bootleggers and gangsters thrived. Even if they outlawed people owning handguns people that are the equivalent of bootleggers would find a way to sell them and make huge profits.
Maybe I'm rambling now don't mean to. I just wish I knew what to do.
Do what the Swiss do. Conscript all young able bodied men into the military to serve for two years, give them weapons training and marksmen school, send them home after their two years with the assault rifle they trained with.
You don't hear about too many mass shootings in switzerland do ya?
You don't hear about too many mass shootings in switzerland do ya?
I think the Swiss stopped the draft some years ago, perhaps 30+ years ago. That's why the surplus companies have been selling swiss stuff so long. They do have the occasional lone wolf shooting, but hush it up. Incidentally, in New Braunfels, we have the Schuetzen Verein, the oldest shooting club in America. The schuetzen tradition goes back to the early 900s in Germany. The swiss also participated, but had better geography to resist the aristocrats. Today, we shoot .22 lr std velocity at 100 yards. The rifle was developed for schuetzen competition after firearms made it to Europe.
I think the Swiss also got to keep their SIG P210s, which are some of the sweetest-shooting and most exquisitely built pistols ever to grace the earth (the original Swiss ones, that is). But I guess this is for another thread...
We're going to be dealing with this sh*t for a long time, I'm afraid. You will never be able to catch all of these maniacs before they act (if you want to live in a free society, anyway). It's like the suicide bombers in Israel during the second intifada. Some will always get through.
I guess I'm jumping the gun here. But this certainly appears to have all the hallmarks of a methodically planned terrorist attack.
We're going to be dealing with this sh*t for a long time, I'm afraid. You will never be able to catch all of these maniacs before they act (if you want to live in a free society, anyway). It's like the suicide bombers in Israel during the second intifada. Some will always get through.
I guess I'm jumping the gun here. But this certainly appears to have all the hallmarks of a methodically planned terrorist attack.
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That's a valid point. The vast majority of these mass shooters are doing it for notoriety. The 24 hour news cycle, and constant coverage of these things fuels the mentality that going on a rampage will guarantee some level of immortality.
That's why ALERRT and the FBI are behind the "Don't Name Them" campaign. Unfortunately, the media today seems to adhere to the "if it bleeds it leads" ideology. That feeds it. That's exactly what these guys want.
Stuff like this happens other places. It happens a lot. We just don't here about. That's the difference.
I don't fear terrorists or mass shootings. The only year in recent time that terrorists or mass shooters killed more americans than police was 2001. The Washington Post estimates that police kill 1000 civilians a year. Most unjustified. Dash cams and surveillance cameras are beginning to show the excess force. It is only beginning.
So if I understand your stupid post, police kill more americans than than mass shooters, or any shooters for that matter......Let me give you some stats. We are talking about mass shootings. How many police mass shootings have we had? I really can't think of any.
Chicago: 439 in 2015
Indy: 137 in 2015
New York as of 9/21/15: 239
Should I go on? And I know I could top more than 1,000 if I did further homework, I could promise that the majority of these killings in just 3 cities, would not be by police.
Not the majority of shootings. Most are acquaintance shootings. But a significant portion. Law enforcement is actually required by law to report all officer involved deaths. But there is no provision in the law for funding or penalty for failure to comply. The Waco PD murdered 9 civilians this year in one day. The truth is slowly coming out despite a frantic effort by the city to deny it. When the truth comes out, Waco will be on the hook for much more than $5 million.
It is very sad. There have been 350 mass shootings this year in this country (defined 4+ shot). That's more than 1 per day. This is an epidemic unique only to our country in the entire world.
Actually, the murder rate is much higher in Mexico than the US despite Mexico's draconian gun laws. There is only 1 gun store in Mexico. It's in Mexico City and you don't walk out with a gun. It's shipped to your club, to be used there. Of course, the police and the gangs are heavily armed. They frequently change sides. If we legalized marijuana and Mexico legalized guns, we would both have much reduced murder rates. Penn Gillette: if the gun nuts and the pot heads could get together, they could solve a lot of problems.
What part are you rolling your eyes at, aggy? You enjoy mass shootings? Are you disputing that this only happens here?
1972, was referring to developed countries. Mexico has a barely functioning government that can't control it's drug cartels. Faulty comparison. The US should be able to do better than an underdeveloped third world place, no?
1972, was referring to developed countries. Mexico has a barely functioning government that can't control it's drug cartels. Faulty comparison. The US should be able to do better than an underdeveloped third world place, no?
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Fine. You can't have a civil adult conversation without calling someone names, I get it. Just seems to me that gun laws need to be seriously reformed in this country. Just waiting on today's mass shooting by someone probably on the no fly list who will have zero problem purchasing an AR-15 assault rifle which only has the purpose of killing humans in mass numbers. But yeah, nothing needs to change.
"Fine. You can't have a civil adult conversation without calling someone names, I get it." That's RICH coming from you.
I just wish you and your ilk would let the bodies cool before you start up with your political narrative du jour. The same recycled crap that gets trotted out any time an OPPORTUNITY arises. It's sickening.
I just wish you and your ilk would let the bodies cool before you start up with your political narrative du jour. The same recycled crap that gets trotted out any time an OPPORTUNITY arises. It's sickening.
Sickening huh. That's mature. So when are we supposed to talk about it? It's NEVER a good time according to you ammosexuals. There are more mass shootings than there are days in the year. Literally. According to your logic, it's never acceptable to talk about.
It is really a case of trust. People just do not trust the government. Obviously people on the no fly list should not be able to get guns, but many people (including me) do not trust the government to stop with sensible changes. Give an inch, they take a mile.
The crazy thing to me is the narrative is about gun laws. Anyone who believes this wasn't a jihadist is crazy. Media is doing an awesome job with this narrative, which is why know one trusts them either.
Yes, switch the conversation to brown people. Perfect. What about all of the WHITE, anti-government gun nuts? You know, the domestic terrorist types that shoot up abortion clinics and black churches? The Bundy guy who held guns on federal officals? Those are a MUCH bigger threat to this country than any foreign Muslim btw.
Perhaps if our government were not furnishing the drug gangs via " fast and furious" they wouldn't have so many.....certainly not machine guns
Yes, fast and furious is the problem. Btw, that sting operation was BECAUSE we don't have any gun laws here. But yeah, Obama and IRS and Benghazi too.
What about the NRA who fights for no fly list people to be able to buy any gun they want, huh?
What about the NRA who fights for no fly list people to be able to buy any gun they want, huh?
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At least 14 dead, up to 17 wounded | San Bernardino, Calif.
3 dead; 9 injured | Colorado Springs, Colo.
9 dead, 9 injured: Roseburg, Ore.
5 dead, 3 wounded: Chattanooga, Tenn
9 dead: Charleston, S.C.
6 dead, 7 wounded: Isla Vista, Calif.
3 killed; 16 injured: Ft. Hood, Texas
12 killed, 3 injured: Washington, D.C.
5 killed: Santa Monica
27 killed, one injured: Newtown, Conn.
3 dead, 4 injured: Brookfield, Wis.
6 killed, 2 injured: Minneapolis, Minn.
6 killed, 3 injured: Oak Creek, Wis.
12 killed, 58 injured: Aurora, Colo.
7 killed, 3 injured: Oakland
2012-2015 We could keep going. Something needs to happen but no one really has an answer.
3 dead; 9 injured | Colorado Springs, Colo.
9 dead, 9 injured: Roseburg, Ore.
5 dead, 3 wounded: Chattanooga, Tenn
9 dead: Charleston, S.C.
6 dead, 7 wounded: Isla Vista, Calif.
3 killed; 16 injured: Ft. Hood, Texas
12 killed, 3 injured: Washington, D.C.
5 killed: Santa Monica
27 killed, one injured: Newtown, Conn.
3 dead, 4 injured: Brookfield, Wis.
6 killed, 2 injured: Minneapolis, Minn.
6 killed, 3 injured: Oak Creek, Wis.
12 killed, 58 injured: Aurora, Colo.
7 killed, 3 injured: Oakland
2012-2015 We could keep going. Something needs to happen but no one really has an answer.
Ban assault rifles
Ban large magazines
Universal background checks
Close gun show loophole
I could agree to that. I don't have a problem with our rights to keep and bear arms, my problem is why so many and why do we need AK-47 type rifles? I get it because we're in Merica but really? I can protect my family with a hand gun by my bedside or a shotgun.
First of all Islam is a religion, not a race. And the majority are good folks. Being brown is not a prerequisite.
I consider the folks shooting up black churches and abortion clinics booger eating crazies. We will always have crazy dimwitted fools, but I don't believe they are very smart. I think many jihadist are smart, well funded, and ambitious. I think they have much higher capabilities to do insane damage. Not saying I know what to do, but ignoring the obvious does not seem like a solid plan to me. Let’s be PC on something else, this is too serious.
Exactly. We can't have grenade launchers. That's regulated. We can't have tanks. Those are regulated. Why assault rifles? They're only used for one thing. A civilian population has no business with those.
"We'd love to stop mass shootings but we must respect a poorly written constitutional amendment that refers to barely functioning muskets and allow our civilians to have whatever kinds of assault weapons they want. Because 'Merica."
Fine with all these, but will that be enough? Doubt it. I don't even like guns, but I also don't trust the federal government or media.
I don't have a problem with banning these things listed. I get pissed because it seems that the left can't ever pin it on the individuals that are committing these heinous crimes. The fact is, you can ban the items you mentioned and do the background checks, it will still happen and then what? Ban all guns?
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