You don't trust the federal government so much that you continue to live in this country? Just wondering.
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You don't trust the federal government so much that you continue to live in this country? Just wondering.
Scholz, the part that is sickening is the way a large portion of this County uses anything that happens to further a political narrative. This is just another example of it. The bodies weren't even to the morgue and the President was talking Gun Control Legislation. Political opportunism in the middle of a tragic event really chaps my a$$.
Now....can we have a discussion on the control? You bet. I think banning those things is up for discussion, but can you honestly say that it will keep this from happening again? Better put.....what does it benefit us to have only criminals with these things in their hands? Because they will get them....ask the Mexicans.
Now....can we have a discussion on the control? You bet. I think banning those things is up for discussion, but can you honestly say that it will keep this from happening again? Better put.....what does it benefit us to have only criminals with these things in their hands? Because they will get them....ask the Mexicans.
Can you tell me banning them won't help? No because we haven't done it but what we have done is allow people to buy them and we know that's not working.
Well I know gangs use stolen ones from homes that have been robbed. Those usually kill civilians.
Banning them will keep law abiding citizens from having them. That's what we KNOW. But drugs are illegal and yet we have drug problems. Banning things might make you feel better, but it doesn't address the problem.
My opinion, the PC culture in this country is to blame. Mental health and religious fanaticism are probably the main contributors to these events. And anyone who dares speak out about it is marginalized. Being able to identify the root causes why people do this would be a good first step.
My opinion, the PC culture in this country is to blame. Mental health and religious fanaticism are probably the main contributors to these events. And anyone who dares speak out about it is marginalized. Being able to identify the root causes why people do this would be a good first step.
I don't want anyone to be a victim of violence, no matter the perpetrator or target. As horrible as these events are, and in spite of instant and intense coverage today, statistically speaking, homicides in America are at the lowest levels since the JFK years.
Total Homicides since 1960 - http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
Homicide rate since 1950 - http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html
In other words, there have been about 205,000 murders in America post-9/11 (2002-2014), and my guess is mass shootings/terrorism accounts for maybe 1% of those. The scary part is this is after a downturn in crime. From another 12yr period of 1982-1994, there were 280,000+ killings.
Total Homicides since 1960 - http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
Homicide rate since 1950 - http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html
In other words, there have been about 205,000 murders in America post-9/11 (2002-2014), and my guess is mass shootings/terrorism accounts for maybe 1% of those. The scary part is this is after a downturn in crime. From another 12yr period of 1982-1994, there were 280,000+ killings.
Oldschool most of these "mass shootings" are by law abiding citizens. What ever made them snap will always be a problem but them having access to a weapon like an "assault" rifle with large mag sizes is what causes 10+ kills and 20+ injured. I'm not saying that some crazy couldn't kill someone or multiple people with a handgun but I don't think it would be as many.
It will definitely help. Because those fixes won't solve every shooting doesn't mean we should do nothing.
A) Why can't we be Americans for once? Why does it always have to be "You Leftists"? Why is everything so polarized and tribal? Can we not agree that something needs to change with guns?
B) Why is it always just a "crazy individual" with "mental issues" when something like this happens? It's endemic to the country. It's a problem with the law.
C) No. Nobody said ban all guns. Ever. Not once. Ridiculous argument.
Scholtz I'm afraid the problem is people are afraid that if they start banning this or that, they won't stop.
I think it's deeper than that. I just glanced into my gun safe and, yup, they are all still there resting peacefully. I think this can be captured in one way by what this crazy a-hole's neighbor said last night. I don't have the link and I'm pretty sure the powers that be will have it deleted from the Internet and she'll end up vanished or dead--- But his neighbor (a seemingly nice lady) told reporters that she noticed odd things going on at weird hours at his house but she never reported it to police because she didn't want to be labeled as a racist or bigot. ......
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...or anything the President says chaps your a$$ no matter what. That could be it.
Again, when are we supposed to talk about it? It happens more than once a day. Gun control is needed badly and it needs to be in the public conversation.
I'm pretty used to disagreeing with him....along with 90% coming out of the Republican party. But the political opportunism is pretty awful.
I'm all for talking about it.....and I honestly don't see the need for the high capacity magazines. That is, if the criminal down the street would give his up too....and let's ask the citizens of Mexico if that is going to happen.
I didn't say I hate the government, just don't trust them to follow the constitution. Big difference in not trusting the government and loving the country. Don't trust them to spend money wisely either, that does not make me unamerican, just sane.
oldschool the criminal down the street more than likely stole it from a law abiding citizens home. You know the friend that we all have that loves the military "assault rifle" style guns but never served one day of his life. He likes the look and feel but will never use it for defending his home/family because the handgun that he purchased that he uses for target practice and also carries on his hip concealed is what protects him/her daily.
The non cartel people (everyday citizen) in Mexico have NO guns period so even if the cartels wanted to a semi auto hand gun would do.
When I said it won't be enough, I was talking about it being enough for the far left. Don't want to be like Europe.
Obviously, no law will end all craziness.
You can get guns from criminals. That actually happens. And comparing the USA to Mexico is a faulty argument.
Well if you guys are going to insist on this line of thinking, maybe "The Left" isn't the problem. 92% of Americans support common sense background checks on all gun buyers yet the Republicans won't even bring that very, very minimal legislation up for a vote.
The problem is not so much with gun control itself. It's how you go about it. What you have to understand is that under the 2nd Amendment (supported by Supreme Court decisions), Americans have a fairly broad right to own firearms. To change that, it's not as simple as Congress passing a bill. What needs to happen is the 2nd Amendment itself needs to be amended.
The problem is, if you just try to do an end run around the 2nd Amendment, then you just opened up a legal avenue to do an end run around the 1st Amendment, or any other amendment. If you really believe in gun control, then you need to be committed enough to do it the right way.
For me, I don't see why anyone needs a machine gun. Gun shows should require background checks. I am not a member of the NRA, and think they go too far. But I get their point of view, many won't be happy until no law abiding person has a gun. People have learned that their rights are taken away incrementally, so they dig their heels in even if they are on the wrong side of a part of an argument. If the majority of NRA members trusted that these changes would be it, I think most would be ok with it. But they would be foolish to believe this would be it.
I guess I must be naive but I have always had a background check performed when purchasing firearms even at gun shows. The only way I know of taking ownership without one is through person to person private sale. Are there other loopholes being exploited that I am unaware of?
Ha the Police Chief is trying his best to say that this shooting wasn't pre-planned. Lol Yes, dude got mad, left the party, bought a crap load of ammo, constructed some bombs within 15 minutes or so of leaving the party. Freaking call it what it is and call out the radicals that are guilty! Good grief this PC crap is old.
I agree. I think the racist, WHITE, anti-government, domestic terrorist gun nuts need to be called out. You know, the ones who shoot up Planned Parenthood clinics and black churches and schools and theaters? Cliven Bundy and his followers who pointed assault rifles at federal agents? They're a MUCH bigger threat to national security than any foreign Muslim. So tired of this PC crap. Call the racist redneck morons out for who they are.
most states do not require background checks for firearms purchased at gun shows from private individuals -- federal law only requires licensed dealers to conduct checks.
Not sure what the 2nd amendment has to do with racism. You realize people of all races own guns. Grow up.
Why don't you tell that to the people trying to switch the US gun control debate to "radical terrorist Muslims" which contains both racism and religious bigotry and isn't the root problem anyway. Don't see you calling that out.
Agree deal with the white crazies too. No I think the Mulsim radicals chanting Death to America everyday pose more of a threat Scholz.
Muslims in this country don't hold a candle to white people shooting the place up. You're entitled to your own opinion, just not your own set of facts.
Fair enough Scholz you are entitled to your own opinion but I have a feeling when the next 9-11 you'll be back on board of the deportation train idea. Also I find it amusing that your President is all for gun control but at the same time he is being accused of supplying arms to ISIS. There is a word for that Scholz, do you know what that is?
oldschool: What's a wow is so many ignorant conservatives in this country. Educate yourself, aggy. Read. Comprehend.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24/domestic-terrorism-charleston_n_7654720.html
At least 48 people have been killed stateside by right-wing extremists in the 14 years since since the September 11 attacks -- almost twice as many as were killed by self-identified jihadists in that time,...The study found that radical anti-government groups or white supremacists were responsible for most of the terror attacks...The data counters many conventional thoughts on what terrorism is and isn’t. Since Sept. 11, many Americans attribute terror attacks to Islamic extremists instead of those in the right wing. But the numbers don't back up this popular conception...Law enforcement agencies reported they were more concerned about the activities of right-wing extremist groups than Islamic extremists...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/24/domestic-terrorism-charleston_n_7654720.html
At least 48 people have been killed stateside by right-wing extremists in the 14 years since since the September 11 attacks -- almost twice as many as were killed by self-identified jihadists in that time,...The study found that radical anti-government groups or white supremacists were responsible for most of the terror attacks...The data counters many conventional thoughts on what terrorism is and isn’t. Since Sept. 11, many Americans attribute terror attacks to Islamic extremists instead of those in the right wing. But the numbers don't back up this popular conception...Law enforcement agencies reported they were more concerned about the activities of right-wing extremist groups than Islamic extremists...
I assumed people were talking about "radical terrorist muslims" because a couple of jihadist struck our country yesterday.
Sandy Hook was a perfect moment to talk about gun control and mental health issues. San Bernardino is not about gun control, it is islamic terrorism.
Guns are a problem in our society, but you hurt the cause when you blame one problem on another that fits your political narrative.
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