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Help me understand, please?

So, some radical islamists plan another terrorist act like he cowards they are and they murder innocent Americans, at least 14 of them. Now, don't seem to matter how they did it, even though they used guns, they could have used bombs, as they often do.

But, since they pulled this off, again, now, you anti gun boys want the government to come in and take away my rights, an American Citizen, to own an assault rifle which I choose to own under the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America? Now, what did I do to deserve this, please explain it to me, will ya?

Just like after 9-11, now my wife, daughter and grandma have to be frisked, stand in long lines, be treated like criminals, every time they fly on an airplane, by the government, because of the criminal, cowardly acts of these murdering islamist jihadists?

And the answer you think is to disarm more innocent Americans? And you want this government run by this fool president, who is allowing these unwanted illegals to swarm through our borders, criminals, terrorists and all, and is pushing to bring ISIS in with boat loads of refugees from the war torn middle east, and he is gonna take care of me and my family since I don't have a weapon to protect myself any longer? Yeah, uhhuh, you can bet I believe and trust that to happen.

Have you ever considered this is what these terrorists want to happen?

See, these cowards come to my house or my street or my grandchildrens school and try to pull some of that murderous crap against innocents, and I am gonna shoot their ass to hell and back with my weapons of choice, or die trying.

You boys better start getting your thinking cap on right, cause taking more rights away from American citizens because of these murderers isn't the answer. The only thing protecting us from all these fools is the fact we own so many guns as private Americans, and I mean law abiding citizens. That, and the fact we have the protection of the policemen of America who are willing to give their lives so we can live a normal and safe life. Even though, a lot of the socially smart PC folks are trying to dissolve the trust Americans have in our law enforcement folks.

And we will never and must never allow this to happen and be able survive as free people on this earth.


You missed my post about this happening not only 1 time but 353 times this year alone. Yes this time it was an Islamic extremist but not the other 352 times or possibly 350 times. Also every mass shooting makes news we just choose to pay attention to the Islamic one's the most instead of bringing them all the same attention this one is getting. Also I'm not anti-gun and I think MOST Americans aren't, I want to protect my family/myself and anyone that needs defense from lunatics.
 
I think the problem is Democrats AND Republicans.
So when 92% of Americans are in favor of something simple and common sense like universal gun background checks and only one side is stopping it, then it's a pox on both of the houses? Disagree completely with that. One side and one side only is to blame on this particular issue (not saying all issues).
 
So when 92% of Americans are in favor of something simple and common sense like universal gun background checks and only one side is stopping it, then it's a pox on both of the houses? Disagree completely with that. One side and one side only is to blame on this particular issue (not saying all issues).
Again, I think background checks are fine, so I am in the 92%. And my local congressman (R) doesn't listen to me. He listens to John Boehner and Paul Ryan.....but not me. I am still for term limits for BOTH parties. Would help take the money out of politics.

BUT. Would background checks or any other kinds of legislation help curb the violence in Chicago? Serious question.
 
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Again, I think background checks are fine, so I am in the 92%. And my local congressman (R) doesn't listen to me. He listens to John Boehner and Paul Ryan.....but not me.

BUT. Would background checks or any other kinds of legislation help curb the violence in Chicago? Serious question.


Possibly? We don't know because a person can sell a gun to a criminal without having a background check.
 
I was eating in downtown Austin today with some associates (one whom is English born) and he said to me that because of America's lax gun laws, this tragedy happened.------

I asked him "Ronald, if a dude with a gun kicked in the door here and started shooting, would you be against a citizen shooting him to save your life?" He wouldn't reply and the conversation was ended.
In other developed countries, there isn't the existential and ever present risk of someone kicking in your hypothetical door because there aren't 350 million guns including military style assault rifles used in mass shootings over and over floating around. There are now more guns in America than people. It's absurd.
 
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Can anyone tell me about the 17 people shot here in the US that just happened this month? I'll give you a hint it wasn't ISIS.
 
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In other developed countries, there isn't the existential and ever present risk of someone kicking in your hypothetical door because there aren't 350 million guns including military style assault rifles used in mass shootings over and over floating around. There are now more guns in America than people. It's absurd.
I completely agree. In point of fact, I have bought and sold guns to friends before and every time we do I go to an FFL dealer and register the sale or purchase. The only guns I've ever owned without going through a background check were old guns that my grandpa left me after he passed away--- and I feel no reason to register those as they are all old a$$ shotguns.

I think where most people are "nervous" about the government getting involved with their lives is because the simply don't trust the government, regardless of the party in power.
 
When folks have an agenda, as those two did... It doesn't matter how many laws are in place to prevent the act. They will get what they need to do what they desire!


IED's and Pipe bombs are illegal and they still had and were building them. Laws are for law abiding citizens...


As for gun grabs...they can kiss my ass!
 
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When folks have an agenda, as those two did... It doesn't matter how many laws are in place to prevent the act. They will get what they need to do what they desire!

But it's so much easier in the US to do it! That's why we have 355 mass shootings now and counting.
 
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When folks have an agenda, as those two did... It doesn't matter how many laws are in place to prevent the act. They will get what they need to do what they desire!
So do away with all laws? If someone wants to murder someone, it doesn't matter if there's a law against it so what's the point?

How about if this, if there weren't assault rifles to be had anywhere in civilian life, they couldn't get a hold of them so much less carnage. If the NRA didn't allow terrorists on the no fly list to buy guns, they couldn't get them. If you have a history of domestic violence, you can't get a gun to kill your GF, etc...
 
But it's so much easier in the US to do it! That's why we have 355 mass shootings now and counting.
and this was only the second one with multiple shooters in how many of those cases.
So do away with all laws? If someone wants to murder someone, it doesn't matter if there's a law against it so what's the point?

How about if this, if there weren't assault rifles to be had anywhere, they couldn't get a hold of them.

Yes, they could and would....They will never be non-existent.

What is an assault rifle? Is that what Obama is sending over seas? So they can defend themselves?
 
Why do conservatives always bring up Chicago? Be honest.
Honestly? It's a test case for liberal policy.....and the results are exactly what those of us opposed to it would expect. And it is swept under the rug by a corrupt media who is bought and paid for.
 
In other developed countries, there isn't the existential and ever present risk of someone kicking in your hypothetical door because there aren't 350 million guns including military style assault rifles used in mass shootings over and over floating around. There are now more guns in America than people. It's absurd.
300,000,000 people and a few hundred do something bad.....So take away the other 299,999,700 peoples rights? I agree with you a lot scholz but not on this.

In a free society bad things will happen and unless you want to give up your freedom and become a police state then it will always be that way. If not guns it will be some other form of killing people. The all or nothing people kill me.

You said no one needs a semiauto? Does anyone need a car that goes above the speed limit? Do we need houses that are more rooms than people? do we need more than 1 pair of shoes? When someone gets stabbed do we do away with knives?

We are free or we are not. I am not giving up my guns. I have not and will not attack anyone and I should not be punished for the criminals that do. A gun has NEVER committed a crime. the person pulling the trigger is the criminal.
 
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Color me highly skeptical. Unless liberal policy is a euphemism for black people.
 
and this was only the second one with multiple shooters in how many of those cases.


Yes, they could and would....They will never be non-existent.

What is an assault rifle? Is that what Obama is sending over seas? So they can defend themselves?


8 that are solved! But what does that have to do with anything?
 
Why do conservatives always bring up Chicago? Be honest.
Because people murder each other at a crazy rate on the south side of Chicago. I guess they could say Detroit or some other city, but I believe Chicago is the current murder capital of America.
It is also the city always talked about for murders on CNN and Fox.
 
8 that are solved! But what does that have to do with anything?
are you and Scholz saying to confiscate all guns in the U.S.? And then outlaw having a gun? I am curious? Because background checks would not have stopped many of these shootings...although i do agree with background checks.
 
300,000,000 people and a few hundred do something bad.....So take away the other 299,999,700 peoples rights? I agree with you a lot scholz but not on this.

In a free society bad things will happen and unless you want to give up your freedom and become a police state then it will always be that way. If not guns it will be some other form of killing people. The all or nothing people kill me.

You said no one needs a semiauto? Does anyone need a car that goes above the speed limit? Do we need houses that are more rooms than people? do we need more than 1 pair of shoes? When someone gets stabbed do we do away with knives?

We are free or we are not. I am not giving up my guns. I have not and will not attack anyone and I should not be punished for the criminals that do. A gun has NEVER committed a crime. the person pulling the trigger is the criminal.


No one said give up your guns. Your right is to bear arms just as it's mine. We just questioned what the deal is with the huge amount and specifically Assault type rifles. I don't think anyone said we should take away anybody's right to bear a firearm. I have 2 in my house which is pretty much all I need and I can only handle one gun in my hand while defending myself. I'm no movie star with the gun handling.
 
are you and Scholz saying to confiscate all guns in the U.S.? And then outlaw having a gun? I am curious? Because background checks would not have stopped many of these shootings...although i do agree with background checks.

NO
 
France has no guns..............oops


No guns policy wont work. The borders are to easy to gain access into the US.

Stricter laws sound great, where does it end?
 
300,000,000 people and a few hundred do something bad.....So take away the other 299,999,700 peoples rights? I agree with you a lot scholz but not on this.
That's fine. Weapons are already regulated though. You can't have a hand grenade or a anti-aircraft missle. So to me you're not "taking away" a right. I don't think civilians should have such military weapons. They're only used to murder. You don't need them for hunting, sport or self protection.

In a free society bad things will happen and unless you want to give up your freedom and become a police state then it will always be that way.
You can still limit the carnage. It's unconscionable the deaths we've come to accept as the new norm now.

When someone gets stabbed do we do away with knives?
Has a knife-wielding individual ever murdered dozens within a few minutes? I'm pretty well read but can't remember ever seeing that. C'mon, man.

We are free or we are not.
So one's behavior shouldn't be regulated in a society? Should you be able to drive as fast as you want? If not, you're not free?

I think guns should be registered and taxed every year just like a car. Both kill.
 
So you are going to determine what someone "needs"? Or what? You want all semi weapons confiscated? A semi pistol kills you just as dead right? so take them too? What exactly are you saying should be done....EXACTLY? I may be confused on what you are saying.
 
France has no guns..............oops

Sucks to be them. I believe in bearing arms and having a concealed weapon, just maybe if they had that law they may have stopped them or maybe not. How many mass shootings has France had before then? ooops!
 
You sure you're you should feel so smug about that comment?

Gun deaths per year per 100K people:

US - 11
France - 3

Yay us!

Curious where to begin, that's all... You will never get "assault type rifles off the street", the parts have been hoarded by folks and they are simple to build. Mags, ammo, brass, powder, primers, etc...simple to obtain regardless of laws in place.


Where do you begin and where does it end?
 
That's fine. Weapons are already regulated though. You can't have a hand grenade or a anti-aircraft missle. So to me you're not "taking away" a right. I don't think civilians should have such military weapons. They're only used to murder. You don't need them for hunting, sport or self protection.


You can still limit the carnage. It's unconscionable the deaths we've come to accept as the new norm now.


Has a knife-wielding individual ever murdered dozens within a few minutes? I'm pretty well read but can't remember ever seeing that. C'mon, man.


So one's behavior shouldn't be regulated in a society? Should you be able to drive as fast as you want? If not, you're not free?

I think guns should be registered and taxed every year just like a car. Both kill.
You think guns should be taxed every year? How would that stop people that WANT to kill a lot of people from doing it? That make no sense at all. The number of people killed by eating too much.....drinking too much.......smoking and on and on and on. You tax them to ? Right? Don't twist words with the freedom statement I made. The second amend. was for guns. There is no damn amend for speeding in a car...that is just ignorant.
 
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Color me highly skeptical. Unless liberal policy is a euphemism for black people.
Black people are the majority in many large cities, conservatives point out Chicago because it is a total disaster in many neighborhoods. I feel sorry for poor people in those neighborhoods. The fact is that the southside of Chicago is extremely dangerous. Pretending that people only talk about violence in Chicago due to racism is dead wrong.
 
Don't twist words with the freedom statement I made. The second amend. was for guns. There is no damn amend for speeding in a car...that is just ignorant.
It's certainly not ignorant. There is an amendment for free speech and you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. My point is that rights are limited and that includes guns. And you didn't address my points about grenades and missles. It even has the words "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment, something conservatives always conveniently forget.
 
It's certainly not ignorant. There is an amendment for free speech and you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. My point is that rights are limited and that includes guns. And you didn't address my points about grenades and missles. It even has the words "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment, something conservatives always conveniently forget.
Free speech has nothing to do with what you can say in a theatre. It is so you can speak out against government and not be jailed for it. I like most of your posts but on this I disagree with you 100%. There is no way the gov can take up all the guns in the U.S. Impossible.
 
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Pretending that people only talk about violence in Chicago due to racism is dead wrong.
If you say so. Meanwhile Fox never talks about white extremists who do the majority of mass shootings. It's always focus on the black and brown people.
 
It's certainly not ignorant. There is an amendment for free speech and you can't yell "fire" in a crowded theater. My point is that rights are limited and that includes guns. And you didn't address my points about grenades and missles. It even has the words "well regulated" in the 2nd amendment, something conservatives always conveniently forget.
Every time I buy a gun I have had a background check. that is being "regulated" last time I checked.
 
This one isn't getting as much attention as it would if their names for Jack Black and Shaun White. The mass shooting in New Orleans is getting very little play because it was black thugs as shooters....
 
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Color me highly skeptical. Unless liberal policy is a euphemism for black people.
Only when it comes to the Black Lives Matter movement, that doesn't seem to give two sh!ts about black lives in the "hood". Only if a cop is involved.

But Illinois/Chicago has high taxes, strict gun laws, social programs, and is a textbook case of how liberalism enacted without any opposition fails miserably. The only thing racist is the inner city politicians that lie and make infinite promises to poor people of color......but truly have no intent on bringing them out of the poverty they are in. They enrich themselves on the backs of the poor.....and that's pretty effing racist to me.
 
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