OT: Cali Shooting

[Scholz]

Every time I buy a gun I have had a background check. that is being "regulated" last time I checked.

Except you can easily buy a gun at a gun show without being checked. It's called the gun show loophole. That's why 92% of Americans are for universal background checks. Something John Boehner and his sugar daddy the NRA wouldn't allow to be voted on.

 

[swVAHorn]

Which still nobody anywhere has ever said.

Then people will still get shot. So then you got to do "something" about that? Right? Or why would you not do something about it? Please explain?

 

[Scholz]

This one isn't getting as much attention as it would if their names for Jack Black and Shaun White. The mass shooting in New Orleans is getting very little play because it was black thugs as shooters....

the new N word

 

[swVAHorn]

Except you can easily buy a gun at a gun show without being checked. It's called the gun show loophole. That's why 92% of Americans are for universal background checks. Something John Boehner and his sugar daddy the NRA wouldn't allow to be voted on.

I agree with universal background checks......hell I would be for taking a polygraph that I don't plan on killing anyone....I enjoy target shooting, I don't even go hunting and have not gone for years.....I love target shooting....some love golf etc...I like shooting. I would register my guns....no problem.

you can't buy a gun without background check at a gunshow in VA.

 

[oldschoolcat]

If you say so. Meanwhile Fox never talks about white extremists who do the majority of mass shootings. It's always focus on the black and brown people.

Does someone have a list of these shootings? I'd really like to see where they happened, and who the perps were.....I honestly don't remember that many.

 

[Scholz]

Then people will still get shot. So then you got to do "something" about that? Right? Or why would you not do something about it? Please explain?

Take away assault rifles (which I've stated numerous times). Take away large magazines. Universal background checks. Close the gun show loophole.

Limit the damage a single shooter can do in a few minute timeframe. It's not supernatural.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

It's been fun gentlemen but it's time for me to go home (since I didn't work all day) and enjoy an American beer and some American football. Enjoy and everyone stay safe!

 

[swVAHorn]

Take away assault rifles (which I've stated numerous times). Take away large magazines. Universal background checks. Close the gun show loophole.

Limit the damage a single shooter can do in a few minute timeframe. It's not supernatural.

No that is stupid and there are so many mags out there now you would need centuries for them to go bad....

An assault rifle is not what you think it is by the way. When I was a soldier.....THAT is an assault weapon. An AR 15 is just a semiautomatic gun.....a revolver is a semiautomatic, many many pistols are semiauto. You would have to get them ALL off the streets. IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[oldschoolcat]

Take away assault rifles (which I've stated numerous times). Take away large magazines. Universal background checks. Close the gun show loophole.

Limit the damage a single shooter can do in a few minute timeframe. It's not supernatural.

Your proposal assumes these things aren't re-usable. Do you propose confiscation and destruction?

 

[swVAHorn]

Take away assault rifles (which I've stated numerous times). Take away large magazines. Universal background checks. Close the gun show loophole.

Limit the damage a single shooter can do in a few minute timeframe. It's not supernatural.

And the question I asked was AFTER you take the large mags and AFTER you take the semiautomatics there will STILL be guns used in killing people.....SO then it would be people still getting shot.....so how would you STOP that?

 

[swVAHorn]

What has happened to us? Is everyone FAR right or FAR left?

 

[TexExSpur]

A

the new N word

Im not a PC type of guy...

 

[Belldozer1]

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obama-san-bernardino-20151203-story.html

That's fine. Weapons are already regulated though. You can't have a hand grenade or a anti-aircraft missle. So to me you're not "taking away" a right. I don't think civilians should have such military weapons. They're only used to murder. You don't need them for hunting, sport or self protection.


You can still limit the carnage. It's unconscionable the deaths we've come to accept as the new norm now.


Has a knife-wielding individual ever murdered dozens within a few minutes? I'm pretty well read but can't remember ever seeing that. C'mon, man.


So one's behavior shouldn't be regulated in a society? Should you be able to drive as fast as you want? If not, you're not free?

I think guns should be registered and taxed every year just like a car. Both kill.

Scholz how is it that your muslim President feels, and rightly so I might add, that all Muslims are not to blame and should not be punished for Islamic Terrorism but ALL gun owners are responsible for every mass shooting and their rights should be restricted? Kind of seems like a double standard, maybe he has an agenda, you think?

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Scholz how is it that your muslim President...

Impressive that it took 153 posts for this thread to go full retard.

 

[Scholz]

Scholz how is it that your muslim President feels, and rightly so I might add, that all Muslims are not to blame and should not be punished for Islamic Terrorism but ALL gun owners are responsible for every mass shooting and their rights should be restricted? Kind of seems like a double standard, maybe he has an agenda, you think?

Good lord.

 

[Belldozer1]

Impressive that it took 153 posts for this thread to go full retard.

Do you disagree with that statement? Would you care to wager that Barack will not label these radical muslim cowards, just that?
/

 

[clob94]

Swvahorn I see my self as "fiscally conservative and socially liberal". I am actually against government intrusion into any part of my life. So long as I do no harm to others, I believe the government should leave me be. I get the feeling that MOST of us are like that in many ways. The problem is that there are only, (and unfortunately always will be) the two ruling classes. Left and right. They FORCE us to side with them not based on the whole of their beliefs, but because of one single issue that each individual may see as a "deal breaker".

Scholtz, I am in no way speaking on behalf of swvahorn, but I think what he's trying to say is that even if, if, we were able to do as you suggested and limit magazines and semi auto weapons and register gun buyers (I always register my guns) even if we did that, the genie is out of the bottle already as far as criminals are concerned. Yes, in a vacuum if we were able to confiscate semi auto weapons, it would mitigate SOME of the carnage. I agree. But that's not the question I think we should ask. The question should be "what are the reasons people do this and how can we fix that?". Don't you agree that if we were able to fix someone's problem before they picked up a gun, a semi auto or 6 shooter or whatever, don't you think that would eliminate the problem more so than just saying "let's take away their tools to kill folks in mass"?

BTW I love the thought of owning a missile the problem is they are a couple million bucks a throw and I'd rather spend that on fun things like: steaks, booze, chicks, sky diving, and massages.

 

[clob94]

Belldozer, please play nice. MM is giving us some rope here and you shouldn't hang us with it.

 

[Scholz]

The question should be "what are the reasons people do this and how can we fix that?". Don't you agree that if we were able to fix someone's problem before they picked up a gun, a semi auto or 6 shooter or whatever, don't you think that would eliminate the problem more so than just saying "let's take away their tools to kill folks in mass"?

In a utopia that would be best. But to use swVA's word, "Impossible".

 

[TX1972]

Ban assault rifles
Ban large magazines
Universal background checks
Close gun show loophole

Actually George Washington was quite clear on this. Citizens need weapons to oppose the government. I personally find the current fetish for semi auto ugly guns amusing. But I sure do like my deer rifle. Also known as a "sniper rifle" by city folks.

 

[TX1972]

Assault rifles seems to be the gun type most commonly caught up in these debates, and I would be fine with their ban, but how many gun deaths a year come from civilian assault rifles?

Actually very few. I don't remember the exact number, but maybe 5%, probably less.

 

[clob94]

Sholtz, do you see where I'm coming from brother?

In my mind, instead of punishing the manufacturer of matches because some idiot flicked their cig on the ground and it started a forest fire, let's figure out how to prevent the forest fire all together.

I for one said it on here last month, France was a soft target. It sucks that we are this far down the rabbit hole, but there's no going back. This was another soft target. I'm waiting for our Intel people to start publishing some of the ISIS emails becuase you just know, you just KNOW that they are targeting places that are gun free zones. They have to be. Can you imagine the uproar the rest of the nation would be in if some middle eastern terrorist emailed an American based cell saying "awww hell no! Don't go to Texas! Those rednecks will eat your lunch. Anywhere, ANYWHERE but Texas."

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Assault rifles are needed in case a mob is trying to attack you and your family. Give me a few assault rifles and I will defend myself and my family from a mob since we have a POTUS that consistently tells the police to stand down from the mob.

 

[TX1972]

I guess I must be naive but I have always had a background check performed when purchasing firearms even at gun shows. The only way I know of taking ownership without one is through person to person private sale. Are there other loopholes being exploited that I am unaware of?

That's it. When the anti gunners talk, they mean you couldn't give a gun to one of your kids or a son in law or a cousin without going to a gun store and running it thru for $25.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I always have at least one gun within arms reach. Average 9-11 response time is more than 20 minutes. The police cannot protect us. We have to protect ourselves.

 

[Belldozer1]

Belldozer, please play nice. MM is giving us some rope here and you shouldn't hang us with it.

I apologize for going over the top

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I bought guns at Texas gun shows and they always perform background checks.

 

[clob94]

In a utopia that would be best. But to use swVA's word, "Impossible".

Agreed scholtz, in a utopia this would be the best. But we all agree this isn't a utopia. So we are left with two (as I see it) options that we can choose from:

1. Buy back and confiscate program like Australia did a few years back. If you own a gun it has to stay AT the gun club at all times.
Problem: criminals will still be able to get weapons via mexico or possibly Canada. Those of us with guns at the gun club are helpless out in public if some criminal does decide to go Paris on us.
2. Leave things as is and require all gun purchases be registered by FFL dealers--- including gun shows.
Problem: most mass shootings are done by people with clean records or no priors.

The president said this guy was on the no fly list scholtz, yet he went to suadi Arabia and packistan anyway and brought back his "wife and child". So even if the president isn't mistaken, and this guy WAS on the no fly list, the list didn't stop him...... the law didn't stop him. So it appears even IF all guns are registered, as this guy was registered not to fly, it won't always work.

Does that make sense man?

 

[TX1972]

I have no problem with background checks......and common sense things. I have 4 AR-15s that me and my son love to go target shooting with. It is a sport to me. I do not have them to fight the govt. or really anybody else. It is a sport. My son and I will never go shoot up anyplace. So why take our guns???? NO. Not going to happen. I am a law abiding citizen of the United States and I will not be punished for what these insane, religious nuts, and the like do.

Matter of fact if I was there during an attack I hope I can get to my gun and take the bastard out before he or they kill any innocent people.

I have no problem with checks and making sure bad guys don't get them though. I will even register my guns, just like my vehicles...don't care. I don't care to have to sign it over to someone else if I sell them (or buy them) to show they are not being sent into the wrong hands.

But I am keeping my guns. I think I am about as middle of the road as you can get. I don't think we need tanks, bazookas etc. But if they take the guns...I know it sounds like a bumper sticker but it is true...ONLY BAD PEOPLE WILL HAVE THEM.

I had a Spanish exchange student once. Stayed with us for a year. His parents came from little farm villages, went to school, lived in Madrid. David told me his grandfather still had a footlocker of old guns buried behind the house. In case the Spanish Civil War started up again.

 

[clob94]

I'm watching CNN right now..... does anyone have Pamela Brown's phone number? She is smokin hot totally my type and according to her bio page her mom was a former miss America.

Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

 

[swVAHorn]

Swvahorn I see my self as "fiscally conservative and socially liberal". I am actually against government intrusion into any part of my life. So long as I do no harm to others, I believe the government should leave me be. I get the feeling that MOST of us are like that in many ways. The problem is that there are only, (and unfortunately always will be) the two ruling classes. Left and right. They FORCE us to side with them not based on the whole of their beliefs, but because of one single issue that each individual may see as a "deal breaker".

Scholtz, I am in no way speaking on behalf of swvahorn, but I think what he's trying to say is that even if, if, we were able to do as you suggested and limit magazines and semi auto weapons and register gun buyers (I always register my guns) even if we did that, the genie is out of the bottle already as far as criminals are concerned. Yes, in a vacuum if we were able to confiscate semi auto weapons, it would mitigate SOME of the carnage. I agree. But that's not the question I think we should ask. The question should be "what are the reasons people do this and how can we fix that?". Don't you agree that if we were able to fix someone's problem before they picked up a gun, a semi auto or 6 shooter or whatever, don't you think that would eliminate the problem more so than just saying "let's take away their tools to kill folks in mass"?

BTW I love the thought of owning a missile the problem is they are a couple million bucks a throw and I'd rather spend that on fun things like: steaks, booze, chicks, sky diving, and massages.

Dead on the money Clob. You got exactly what I was trying to say. I know we have to vote for one or the other but I sure wish it was each person ran on what they truly believe and not what their party wants them to believe. We have a "people" problem not a gun problem. Well said Clob.

 

[swVAHorn]

Which still nobody anywhere has ever said.

You said you were "well read" and yet you say "nobody anywhere ever" has said to take up all the guns. Read more then. Many people have said and believe this.

 

[oldschoolcat]

Kudos to MM for letting us discuss current events. Texags would have deleted the thread by now.

 

[elcapitan009]

Actually George Washington was quite clear on this. Citizens need weapons to oppose the government. I personally find the current fetish for semi auto ugly guns amusing. But I sure do like my deer rifle. Also known as a "sniper rifle" by city folks.

i mean... we were fighting a revolution and he had his own agenda for wanting the poor man to fight alongside him.

 

[oldhorn2]

sadly....the reason the vote percentage is so low in this country is that most eligible voters realize that their vote doesnt matter.....not that it isnt counted...all votes are. But it doesnt matter because no matter who wins, nothing changes. Somewhere all things are decided and we just THINK we have a chance to change things.

The second amendment was put in place , not to protect everyones right to hunt, but because "a strong militia is required" to protect the country. A guy that takes the second amendment literally thinks he has the right to not only have assault rifles but cannons and claymore mines as well. .....we live in interesting times.

I havnt bought a gun that required regestering for years and years. The problem is that if you have even one regestered gun, the govt knows who you are and where to look. They wont stop at the gun you have regestered either. They will come in with metal detecters