OT: Concealed Carry

[ASURAM2010]

Because I am cheap and don't want to spend the money to buy a Glock or Springfield, I am Ruger guy. My current CC is the Ruger EC9. It is a gigantic improvement from the Ruger LC9 that I carried previously. They changed the firing action from a hammer action which makes the trigger pull a lot shorter.
As far as holsters go, I have two that I absolutely love. One is a Crossbreed Holster. Roto molded plastic specifically to your gun specs, with high grade leather. This one gives you the option to tuck your shirt in around it without hindering the drawing functionality. That was what I carried daily prior to getting into healthcare (can't carry at work now). The holster that I am currently using and really enjoy is from an outfit in Abilene. JM4 Holsters. High Quality leather with two rare earth magnets that allow you to carry regardless of what type of clothing you are wearing. The magnets go on either side of my waist band and hold secure in gym shorts, sweats, jeans, etc. The magnets hold the gun without any issues and when you are ready to draw, there is no drag from the magnet.

But as others have mentioned, go to the range and spend a lot of time getting familiar with whatever gun you choose. It does you no good if you have a weapon that you do not feel comfortable using.

 

[clob94]

What you carry depends on who you augmented. Could be glock 17, 19, 34, Sig 226 or H&K 45 if the mission calls for it. Pretty much all the military is Glock or moving towards it. Pretty sure SEALs are the last ones still using Sig's though.

Fresh--- met a guy over the weekend that was a UDT back in the late 70s and was part of the first group in 80 that formed DEVGRU. Nice guy with all the bona-fides, retired in 99 and then after 9-11 begged to get back down range- he was then hired as a GS13, he retired as an E9- to work with SOCOM and eventually was designated as a JSOC historian.
Dude has actual photos of the radio tower in Panama that he and his group went to capture. It was a really cool discussion over several beers. He was mostly central south America tdy's because he was Hispanic. Worked with FARC-- met Noriega-- just a fascinating guy.

He said he hung onto the historian job as long as he could because he loved being around the men and he still got to play with the toys from time to time.
He was telling me that for the last few years, the JSOC operators were begging the arms manufacturers to develop an M4 based platform that was no longer than X inches (I forget the actual number) long and weighed less than 5 pounds etc. And that the 300 blackout was the new round of choice but they wanted a system that could easily be switched out in the field to fire 5.56.

Now I get the ballistic differences on both those rounds-- and I get the need for rounds specific to situations (cqb vs long range engagements).
But what I don't get is this----- who's the sad soul that has to carry all that back up ammo and barrels and bolts--- do you guys bring some poor dude along from the 82nd to be your piss bucket boy?

And if you tell me you got to test out the Honey badger at Bragg one day I'm going to be super fvcking green with envy.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

radio tower in Panama that he and his group went to capture.

Thats Fing B Team stuff!...lol

 

[clob94]

Thats Fing B Team stuff!...lol

Hey man--- just reporting what the dude said. You want to take issue with it, come meet the dude. Black Whale pub new Braunfels. He's been there two weekends in a row now.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Hey man--- just reporting what the dude said. You want to take issue with it, come meet the dude. Black Whale pub new Braunfels. He's been there two weekends in a row now.

Jesus, just messing with ya!

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Ok, I'm a tight wad when it comes to this stuff.

Well, whatever you do, just don't buy a Taurus.

 

[oldschoolcat]

Ok, I'm a tight wad when it comes to this stuff. I hunt with a Remington 870 12 pump..

I still hunt with the same shotgun. Regarding concealed carry....make sure you like shooting it, or it will sit in the safe

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

I still hunt with the same shotgun. Regarding concealed carry....make sure you like shooting it, or it will sit in the safe

I got my pistola and my grandfathers .22 Hornet, all ya need

 

[oldhorn2]

sit in the safe?...I have one hid in every room of the house....if I get crash invaded I dont intend to be the one surprised.....

 

[clob94]

sit in the safe?...I have one hid in every room of the house....if I get crash invaded I dont intend to be the one surprised.....

I was just saying the same thing in my brain. The safe is where you put the browning over/unders and the .338 lapua and other big ass bolt actions that do you zero good in a home invasion. It doesn't matter what room I'm in---I could be in the guest bedroom closet--- don't come in my house uninvited.

 

[oldschoolcat]

I was just saying the same thing in my brain. The safe is where you put the browning over/unders and the .338 lapua and other big ass bolt actions that do you zero good in a home invasion. It doesn't matter what room I'm in---I could be in the guest bedroom closet--- don't come in my house uninvited.

With kids safes are a must. I can open within seconds with my eyes closed.

And the one within reach of my bed won't hold a bolt action, but the 23 and the XD fit quite nicely.

 

[westx]

This is "kind of" on topic:

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

Fresh--- met a guy over the weekend that was a UDT back in the late 70s and was part of the first group in 80 that formed DEVGRU. Nice guy with all the bona-fides, retired in 99 and then after 9-11 begged to get back down range- he was then hired as a GS13, he retired as an E9- to work with SOCOM and eventually was designated as a JSOC historian.
Dude has actual photos of the radio tower in Panama that he and his group went to capture. It was a really cool discussion over several beers. He was mostly central south America tdy's because he was Hispanic. Worked with FARC-- met Noriega-- just a fascinating guy.

He said he hung onto the historian job as long as he could because he loved being around the men and he still got to play with the toys from time to time.
He was telling me that for the last few years, the JSOC operators were begging the arms manufacturers to develop an M4 based platform that was no longer than X inches (I forget the actual number) long and weighed less than 5 pounds etc. And that the 300 blackout was the new round of choice but they wanted a system that could easily be switched out in the field to fire 5.56.

Now I get the ballistic differences on both those rounds-- and I get the need for rounds specific to situations (cqb vs long range engagements).
But what I don't get is this----- who's the sad soul that has to carry all that back up ammo and barrels and bolts--- do you guys bring some poor dude along from the 82nd to be your piss bucket boy?

And if you tell me you got to test out the Honey badger at Bragg one day I'm going to be super fvcking green with envy.

82nd piss bucket boy...Ha! We generally had better 24/7 delivery than dominos. Just place an order and make sure the neighborhood doesn't know when or where your airpizza is delivered.
300blk was a sexy 7.62 dressed in 5.56 panties that throws down in a barn stall or down the road at the neighbors house. She shuts up when you slip a can on her mouth, fits in tight spaces, and light on her feet. Most importantly, she is easily swapped out for her faster louder sister without you having to add unnecessary baggage.

Honey Badger is old news. Kevin Brittingham from AAC started a new outfit called "Q", they already have a new toy. LWRCI makes an 8-inch direct impingement 300 aac blk.

Sounds like you met an ol' hardass too. Buy the man a beer and let him tell ya how he made spare boots from tire tread.

 

[Mister Moses]

Oklahoma just went permitless concealed carry. You have to be able to buy a gun legally of course. Kentucky just did the same.

 

[oldhorn2]

Oklahoma just went permitless concealed carry. You have to be able to buy a gun legally of course. Kentucky just did the same.

uhhhh....never mind

 

[Texas008]

Concealed carry.... I have been a hunter since a kid (shot guns and rifles) but have not had a lot of experience with handguns.

1. Best options for concealed carry... Best value - best quality etc...

2. Best way to conceal? Inside pants holster etc...

3. Looking for a gun that can be operated with on hand... off hand for knife.

Thanks in advance.

2300Nueces and All, the following YouTube video will teach you how to practice to become a good shot with a handgun:

In essence, you must learn to stop anticipating recoil, and that vid will help you do it. I started out as a Sig man, but your first shot with a P-226 will be an 8-9 lb double action pull and Glock makes all of your pulls the same, at 5.5lbs. Then, if you drop a McNally trigger into your Glock, it is even smother (and at about 3.5 lbs). https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/12/21/review-mcglock-mcnally-gen-4-glock-trigger/ Plus, Glock has a great range of modularity, e.g. you can change almost any model .40 S&W to a 9mm, by simply changing barrels and magazines.

p.s. The Garland police officer who used a .45ACP Glock to kill two Jihaddies, armed with AK-47s, was a perfect example of a single officer with a hand gun out-dueling two much better armed terrorists with rifles, and you can rest assured that he practiced a lot more than they did. A man with a handgun normally does not win against a man with a long gun, and especially, two men with long guns.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Then, if you drop a McNally trigger into your Glock, it is even smother (and at about 3.5 lbs).

Fine for a pistol for the range, IDPA, etc., but I wouldn’t do this for a carry or home defense gun. Master the stock weight with proper training.

 

[Belldozer1]

Sig Sauer has a new. compact out called a M18. May want to check it out. Not sure of the dimensions or reviews but I’m sure it’s probably pretty reliable, coming from Sig.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

As a former SIG and SIG Sauer fanatic (and still a fanatic for all of the ones I own), SIG Sauer is a very far cry from what it used to be.

CEO Ron Cohen has applied his Kimber playbook in full and all but ruined that company for many of us long-time owners/fans, as he trades on its previously hard-earned reputation to sell products that don’t come close to pre-2004 quality.

These particular models, like almost all new SIG Sauer models, have already had plenty of teething problems. Plenty of better options, in my opinion.

 

[Texas008]

As a former SIG and SIG Sauer fanatic (and still a fanatic for all of the ones I own), SIG Sauer is a very far cry from what it used to be.

CEO Ron Cohen has applied his Kimber playbook in full and all but ruined that company for many of us long-time owners/fans, as he trades on its previously hard-earned reputation to sell products that don’t come close to pre-2004 quality.

These particular models, like almost all new SIG Sauer models, have already had plenty of teething problems. Plenty of better options, in my opinion.

That's good info to know, BBR. I have been out of the gun business since 1994, so I know a lot has changed since then. My old partner, Shawn Nelms, and I, used to co-own Bachman Pawn & Gun in Dallas. I was working in IT, so I was rarely there, but Shawn held the FFL, and he used to run two crews a weekend at all of the gun shows across Texas. He retired in 2016, but he used to be one of the largest distributors in the U.S., through retail, wholesale, and gun shows, for instance, when Colt declared Chapter 11 in 2014, he bought 7000 Colt AR-15s, the largest civilian sale Colt had made up to that time.

 

[Belldozer1]

That's good info to know, BBR. I have been out of the gun business since 1994, so I know a lot has changed since then. My old partner, Shawn Nelms, and I, used to co-own Bachman Pawn & Gun in Dallas. I was working in IT, so I was rarely there, but Shawn held the FFL, and he used to run two crews a weekend at all of the gun shows across Texas. He retired in 2016, but he used to be one of the largest distributors in the U.S., through retail, wholesale, and gun shows, for instance, when Colt declared Chapter 11 in 2014, he bought 7000 Colt AR-15s, the largest civilian sale Colt had made up to that time.

DANG that’s a lot of AR’s

 

[clob94]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...ons-why-navy-seals-dumped-p226-glock-19-46327

Here's a good summary of the glock vs the SIG.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

That's good info to know, BBR. I have been out of the gun business since 1994, so I know a lot has changed since then. My old partner, Shawn Nelms, and I, used to co-own Bachman Pawn & Gun in Dallas. I was working in IT, so I was rarely there, but Shawn held the FFL, and he used to run two crews a weekend at all of the gun shows across Texas. He retired in 2016, but he used to be one of the largest distributors in the U.S., through retail, wholesale, and gun shows, for instance, when Colt declared Chapter 11 in 2014, he bought 7000 Colt AR-15s, the largest civilian sale Colt had made up to that time.

Holy hell! What belldozer said!

 

[clob94]

That's good info to know, BBR. I have been out of the gun business since 1994, so I know a lot has changed since then. My old partner, Shawn Nelms, and I, used to co-own Bachman Pawn & Gun in Dallas. I was working in IT, so I was rarely there, but Shawn held the FFL, and he used to run two crews a weekend at all of the gun shows across Texas. He retired in 2016, but he used to be one of the largest distributors in the U.S., through retail, wholesale, and gun shows, for instance, when Colt declared Chapter 11 in 2014, he bought 7000 Colt AR-15s, the largest civilian sale Colt had made up to that time.

7000 ARs?

That dude is my new best friend.

 

[oldhorn2]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...ons-why-navy-seals-dumped-p226-glock-19-46327

Here's a good summary of the glock vs the SIG.

My son has probably put over 10,000 rounds through his Sig 357 , but he is now a Glock man...

 

[clob94]

My son has probably put over 10,000 rounds through his Sig 357 , but he is now a Glock man...

Your son is DPS yes?

 

[Belldozer1]

Your son is DPS yes?

DPS no, DTS yes

 

[oldhorn2]

DPS....correct. The DPS switched from the Sig 357 back to some "improved" 9mm in order to save money on the ammo, but in fact it apparantly costs more. Anyway, he is solid on Glocks now.

 

[Texas008]

I did not want to like Glocks in the beginning, but a schoolmate friend of mine was an assistant Chief of Police in a used-to-be small town near Dallas, and he told me about the torture tests that his Armorer put the Glocks through in their tests to decide on their handgun choice for issue, and I was duly impressed. In essence, they "could not make it fail", and even after the torture tests, it still functioned well and shot true enough to impress them all.

Whereas, the AK-47 passes all torture tests but was never that accurate to begin with, but it would still shoot. My favorite story, vis-à-vis that subject, is that an American patrol discovered a dead Viet Cong soldier who had died, covering his AK-47 with his body, around 6 or so months before he was found, therefore, he had died, and his body had dissolved over his weapon, and they pulled the AK out of the goo, and fired it without having to unclog it - mostly stamped parts with loose tolerances, but will always fire, just not that accurately...unlike the Glock.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I don't have my C&C but I have a Colt 1911 that I really like because it fits my hands well and is built very well.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

 

[TX1972]

I did not want to like Glocks in the beginning, but a schoolmate friend of mine was an assistant Chief of Police in a used-to-be small town near Dallas, and he told me about the torture tests that his Armorer put the Glocks through in their tests to decide on their handgun choice for issue, and I was duly impressed. In essence, they "could not make it fail", and even after the torture tests, it still functioned well and shot true enough to impress them all.

Whereas, the AK-47 passes all torture tests but was never that accurate to begin with, but it would still shoot. My favorite story, vis-à-vis that subject, is that an American patrol discovered a dead Viet Cong soldier who had died, covering his AK-47 with his body, around 6 or so months before he was found, therefore, he had died, and his body had dissolved over his weapon, and they pulled the AK out of the goo, and fired it without having to unclog it - mostly stamped parts with loose tolerances, but will always fire, just not that accurately...unlike the Glock.

That story is from David Hackworth's book, ABOUT FACE. It's a good read.

 

[TX1972]

I carry a CZ75 compact. I got one with the laser grips that are no longer made. I can put a magazine in a pie plate at 25 yards. Problem is that it's too large for me to carry regularly. Looking for a beretta 21a in .22 LR for my girlfriend, maybe a sig 232 for me.

 

[Texas008]

That story is from David Hackworth's book, ABOUT FACE. It's a good read.

That story is from David Hackworth's book, ABOUT FACE. It's a good read.

Thanks for the info 1972, I'll get the book, "About Face"!

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I carry a CZ75 compact. I got one with the laser grips that are no longer made. I can put a magazine in a pie plate at 25 yards. Problem is that it's too large for me to carry regularly. Looking for a beretta 21a in .22 LR for my girlfriend, maybe a sig 232 for me.

That is indeed a hefty carry piece. CZs are great guns, though.

My true loves in the pistol world are exclusively metal-frame pistols, but I go with polymer for carry. Not to be nosy, but you'll find that even the ultra-slim polymer 9mm pistols are much softer-shooting than the Sig P232 (even with +P rounds), since the former all have locked-breech actions versus the latter's straight-blowback action. My petite wife doesn't mind shooting my Walther PPS, but she took one shot from my Sig P232, set it down, and said never again, LOL.

Anyway, faster follow-up shots with a much more effective round. Something to consider. Maybe you already have.