OT: Istanbul/Constantinople Airport
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I am slowly coming to the conclusion that understanding radical derka is akin in some ways to understanding aggy----
From the outside looking in, it's impossible to understand
From the inside looking out, it's impossible to explain
BTW, why is it every time I type in muslim or islam--- I get a little red squiggly line underneath both those words? I know I am speeling the correkt..
From the outside looking in, it's impossible to understand
From the inside looking out, it's impossible to explain
BTW, why is it every time I type in muslim or islam--- I get a little red squiggly line underneath both those words? I know I am speeling the correkt..
Scholz,
Why protect the radicals? Nobody is accusing an entire religion, but if you blow up a building in today's world somewhere or shoot up a public space you're highly likely to be a follower of the Qur'an. You can show the stats all you want, but in today's world the mass killers and bombers are Muslim. No disputing it.
So where is the gain to deflect away from that fact? If a Christian were doing the same there would be a stampede to their Church. Yet hate spewing Imams get a free pass?
Serious question. Why the disconnect?
Why protect the radicals? Nobody is accusing an entire religion, but if you blow up a building in today's world somewhere or shoot up a public space you're highly likely to be a follower of the Qur'an. You can show the stats all you want, but in today's world the mass killers and bombers are Muslim. No disputing it.
So where is the gain to deflect away from that fact? If a Christian were doing the same there would be a stampede to their Church. Yet hate spewing Imams get a free pass?
Serious question. Why the disconnect?
Well and not only that but my understanding is that the Orlando shooter had been reported by co-workers for suspicious comments or whatever but nothing was done or really even looked into because the higher ups were fearful of being accused of descrimination. That's messed up.
I don't disagree with any of this. However, the saturation of guns in this state/culture also present dangerous situations, just as they discourage them. Sure I am safe from most islamic terrorist attacks, however I am not safe from 2 amendment hugging nut jobs carrying their piece in walmart, or nut jobs like christy sheats who murdered her two daughters...and no, that r'neck in walmart sporting his .40 does not make me feel safe.
come on scholz--- I can play that game too--- HITLER-----
there's a time limit here bro--- we weren't living in a world with the potential of radicalized islamic extremist 21 years ago.
AND-- if I may be so bold-- it has been proven that while on a trip to Indonesia, McVeigh was in country, in the same city in fact-- that Ramsey Yousef was in--- at the same time. Yousef, as you recall, was the master bomb builder for the derkas.
But aside from that-- the CURRENT threat to the world is------ "radicalized derka".
Okay....I'll give you 1995.....21 years ago.
I also don't remember anyone protecting the guy.
But today. Like I mentioned before. It's not white separatists blowing up things AROUND THE WORLD.
Why protect them?
Let's be honest--- and we're all family here---
What makes you MORE nervous----
Redneck with his .40 on his hip in a Wal-Mart
OR
A dude of middle eastern decent wearing an overcoat at a 4th of July parade in Downtown Houston when it's 105 degrees outside?
“You know what, yeah, yeah,” Maher said. “You know what — that’s liberal bullshit right there … they’re not as dangerous. I mean there’s only one faith, for example, that kills you or wants to kill you if you draw a bad cartoon of the prophet. There’s only one faith that kills you or wants to kill you if you renounce the faith. An ex-Muslim is a very dangerous thing. Talk to Salman Rushdie after the show about Christian versus Islam. So you know, I’m just saying let’s keep it real.” - Bill Maher (not a conservative or a Christian)
Where is the political gain for protecting Islam, and more accurately....those who subscribe to a literal translation to the Qur'an?
Where is the political gain for protecting Islam, and more accurately....those who subscribe to a literal translation to the Qur'an?
I agree with you on this point oldschool. Only don't bring up Maher for saying something you agree with when at the same time if someone else brings him up on something you do not agree with you claim he is "whatever". Don't pick and choose. Be consistent. You either think Maher knows what he is talking about or you don't. In general I don't like Maher myself.
radical islam groups 21 years ago were more concerned with hijacking or
well..ya, you win this one..but I have never seen a Middle eastern dude with an overcoat/trenchcoat...however, the kneck in walmart sporting a .40 is becoming more and more common
I was in Arkansas this last weekend with friends on Beaver Lake (beautiful). However, at one point about 12 stringy bulging eyed meth head rednecks came into our area..I was with friends, wife, kids...and I was nervous as hell. They all had a confederate flag tattoo on some part of their bodies, among hundreds of other really bad tattoos. Dudes were creepy enough that I decided it would be appropriate to move at least 100 yards from being anywhere near them. The point, if I had said anything about the flags, the south or really anything that could be interpreted wrong it would have gone south from there in a hurry...There are scary people everywhere, and most of them are not muslims..at least in the states.
Oh come on....if I would have quoted a conservative it would have been dismissed as conservative talking points. So I find a liberal who is telling his liberal brethren...."COME ON MAN"..!!
I like Maher. I disagree with him on a lot, but he's consistent and he fights for his position.
Funny you should mention hijacking ariplanes--- I mean, not funny "ha ha"-- but--- the dude Ramsey Yousef was truly the mastermind of the whole "hijack multiple planes and crash them" idea.
He had a plot he was working on in the early 90's called the Bojinka Plot.
I may have spelled that wrong but fvck it----- ANYWAY-- this little peach wanted to hijack planes that would all be landing in major US cities around the same time. Planes leaving airports around the world coming from places that had lax security. So the idea was to wait until toward the end of the 12-14 flights, and attack the crew and take over the plane. East coast, West coast, chicago, houston-- all these airports. Then, he wanted to simultaneously have those derka pilots crash the planes in unison.
You quoted him EXACTLY because he is a liberal!! Do you quote him when he does not agree with you? Do you think he is unbiased? You come on man!! Don't use a guy that if scholz had used you would have said "he is a liberal!".......You used Maher because he is a liberal that said 1 thing you agreed with......what if scholz comes back and quotes a conservative saying something he agrees with?? I am not arguing what was said. Don't care. Just was trying to tell you to be consistent...don't do something that you don't want done....
For instance the republicans voting against Trump...if he names say 5 of them and they give their reasons for not voting for Trump..does that make the point that no republicans should vote for Trump??
I can't stand Maher. Doesn't matter what he says liberal or conservative as far as I am concerned.
Not protecting any religious nut job. On either side. You're simply ignoring the very real threat of right wing, white Christian types who pose a very big threat in our country per the FBI, NSA, CIA, etc. I suspect because those rednecks don't fit your world view of what a terrorist looks like.
Clob I'm curious to hear you thoughts on 911. As time has gone on I'm not sure what to believe about who knew what and when. I'd still like to see some proof a plane was crashed into the Pentagon also as claimed.
If you say so.....although when researching my family vacations I didn't see any State Department travel warnings for the Southern US. Just the usual suspects like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Yemen, Turkey, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, Sudan....etc.... any commonalities with those places?
I quoted Maher because he is an Agnostic / Atheist and has been extremely critical of Christians. And that when people try and say the problems we are facing are not as bad as the white Christian terrorists he rightfully argues against it. He is no fan of Christianity, but even he knows what's going on.
You're not a racial or religious minority, correct? White supremacists typically don't shoot up white people and leave swastikas on their bodies. Mostly it's black churches and Sikh temples and Muslim students who park badly and abortion clinics and the like. You're probably safe.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/white-...st-terror-threat-in-the-united-states/211608/
“Law enforcement agencies around the country have told us the threat from Muslim extremists is not as great as the threat from right-wing extremists,”
“There’s an acceptance now of the idea that the threat from jihadi terrorism in the United States has been overblown,” Dr. Horgan said. “And there’s a belief that the threat of right-wing, antigovernment violence has been underestimated.”
* These quotes are from last year, before San Bernadino and Orlando, but they still represent a big danger in this country from non-Muslims.
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Even if you were right, why ignore the other threats? Seems any time you see a new attack, usually by Islamic types....there is a mad rush to diminish the threat. Why is that? You yourself had to go back to 1995 to find a similar attack, but San Bernardino, Istanbul, Paris, Orlando, and other recent examples are immediately rejected as indicative of a trend. Why? Where is the gain?
Black church? Sikh temple? Muslim students parking? Abortion clinics? More murders than by Muslims before San Bernadino and Orlando? Bueller? Bueller? These are recent examples I've cited along with direct quotes from our law enforcement that right wing white supremacists pose a grave threat to national security.
Where have I ignored other threats? I'm saying it's on both sides. YOU'RE the one ignoring threats. I guess only brown and Muslim "other" people can be terrorists in your book. I'll just go ahead and ask you, can white people ever be considered terrorists to you or does that not fit your definition?
Where have I ignored other threats? I'm saying it's on both sides. YOU'RE the one ignoring threats. I guess only brown and Muslim "other" people can be terrorists in your book. I'll just go ahead and ask you, can white people ever be considered terrorists to you or does that not fit your definition?
If anybody wants to know why we can't effectively deal with terrorism, this thread is a good example of why.
What's your solution then? Let me guess, "turn the Middle East to a sheet of glass". amirite?
My solution would be to take politics out of it, and investigate/evaluate/engage based on the facts.
The facts clearly demonstrate that most major terrorist attack being committed now are influenced or directed by Islamic terror groups. With that fact established, I would try to isolate the groups, cutting off their funding, ability to recruit, ability to promote their cause, etc. I would enact security measures base on the methods demonstrated by these groups. I would put special investigative emphasis on those who interact (actively or passively) with those groups. I would also engage these groups militarily, whether directly, or through a 3rd party proxy.
What I would not do is bring up all this stupid shit about KKK groups when that doesn't have anything to do with international terrorism.
I gotta go with topdeck on this issue. Don't give a fvck about skinhead/kkk types as they are no real threat to the vas majority of Americans. As for Muslim filth my solution would involve fighting back in a way they understand. They kill one American at random I'd kill at least 100 of them at random. Pay back be a bitch.
Anyone who does shit like we see weekly from Islamic extremists is a terrorist. If he happens to be a white dude who hates black people he is a terrorist just the same. My opinion of him is no different than the asshats blowing up airports.
Oh, well maybe different that there are a billion of the airport types.....and they're all either good with it, or too scared to stop it. And both of those situations suck for everyone else.
Was it Von Clausewitz that said something about separating politics from war?
I'm a little fuzzy on my European war philosophers these days.
I'm a little fuzzy on my European war philosophers these days.
Then why are you ignoring all the white people murdering people in our country in terrorist fashion in schools, movie theaters, churches, malls, temples, doctor clinics, etc.? Why ignore that obvious and documented threat? Where's the gain?
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