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Curiosity killed the cat! Its a know fact that OU has cheated since the Bud Wilkinson days..when you 2 turds was still in diapers playing with your TT!
Hey, man, if this is what you need to make it through the rough times, more power to ya. I haven't found it of much use, myself.
Fortunately for you, Herman is not fabricating nonsense excuses for your protracted run of mediocrity. Or else you'd stay there.
He is, however, a gifted negative recruiter, from what I hear. So maybe this is how the sour grapes get distilled to the basement dwellers.
We are blessed to have no need of such tactics.
We too have certain fans who beg others to close ranks around their stupidity.
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I would rather lose in the playoffs than lose in the big 12 championship game. Wouldnt you? Honestly, you win 0% of the playoff games you dont play. OU will eventually win, Riley is bringing in the kind of talent stoops struggled to get. e.g. Stoops rarely got a kid holding a scholarship offer from alabama to commit, Riley does that regularly.
You mean he inherited a qb that had developed into a heisman nominee, he won the heisman Riley's rookie year as HC. Let's not pretend Mayfield was at the heisman ceremony as a red raider, that didnt happen until after Riley got his hands on him and even then it took a couple years. For what it's worth, Riley has never not had a productive qb since he became OC 9 years ago. For example his very first qb in 2010 was a community college transfer, threw for 4000 yards and was on several watch lists (maxwell, manning, obrien). And each qb he's had since then has been better than that. Just saying the dude knows offense, so really who made who? Riley wins without a defense. texas has a defense and is winning less. It appears that the offensive juggernaut has the edge.
No they didnt
You are describing most offensive minded coaches. Are you suggesting relying on your DC to run the defense is a bad thing? He is an incredible recruiter, and defensive kid are committing to play for him so he's doing something right. You should know how important recruiting is and he's getting defensive recruits who hold offers from ohio state, georgia, alabama. Stoops' commits held offers from virginia, baylor and iowa. Give that a couple years, as a texas fan you should know full well the importance of scheme, coaching and personnel on a team. How many heismans does the pirate have? Oh, that many? Good comparison.
OU was #1 in the big 12 against the pass and run in 2015. They were not excellent, but they'd probably have beaten alabama if they had the 2015 defense instead of the 2018 defense.
[/QUOTE] Like I said, Tech in the 2000's. [/QUOTE]
Nope. in the early 2000s, tech had 0 big 12 championships, 0 bcs victories, 0 national championship games, 0 heismans, 0 first round picks, those things matter. OU was a national championship contender deep into almost every season in the 2000s and tech only came close to winning the conference once. That matters too. Not a valid comparison at all because tech was completely irrelevant save for the year they beat texas (thanks tech!) which kept them out of the ccg.
First off, Lol, no they arent. Alabama has achieved actual proven success. They are definitely closer to tech- consider texas has achieved the same level of success as tech over the past decade. Same number of big 12 championships, same number of heismans, same number of bcs/playoff games, same number of bowl wins, you both even had 3 straight losing seasons, you guys are kindred spirits, brothers. that's nothing at all like what alabama is now, more like the alabama of 2002. OU gets beat in the playoffs because they run into teams who recruit better than them and have better players. It gets hard in the playoffs, every team OU has played in the playoffs has been more talented than them. . But Riley is changing that through recruiting. OU is just as capable of improvement as anyone else is. Dont pretend your program is the only one with the ability to improve up on a shit performance. People forget how bad OU was on offense prior to hiring Riley, and now he's getting 5 stars with ease. Think about this- even with diarrhea defense for the past two years, he's still getting visits and commits from some of the best defensive players in the country. How will he recruit If OU even has a decent defense in 2019? Really it's been impressive to get any kind of talent to even look at OU after the past couple years but he's doing it.
If you follow recruiting you'll see that trend is changing. I know this much, I know my team can actually get to the playoffs. So at least they have that going for them. It sure beats losing in the big 12 championship because they surely didnt give up 40+ points to texas' above average offense when it mattered most, now did they?
You know? If I hadn't gave my word to MM, I would be tearing your ass up here in the forum, but thats your lifesaver!
Lol, you mean the pass defense that was ranked 33rd nationally? Bama toyed with you, they were the cat and you were the blind half dead mouse, if they wanted they could have doubled that score. That 2015 defense was lead by a defensive minded coach, not Pirate 2.0. And that defense wasn't that good to begin with. Bama has an offense more powerful than any in the big 12, I don't care what blOwU defense you put in front of it, you weren't going to stop it.
Nice straw man you have built there. but it won't work. You aren't going to move the goal post and change the argument. blOwU is winning conference championships in spite of it's defense, not because of it. That is the same formula Tech had with the pirate. Thus we refer to your coach as Pirate 2.0
Can Tech boast a defense with 4 5'star defensive backs? Can Tech boast a defense that basically shut down a Georgia offense of 3 and a half quarters in a major bowl game? You see Texas actually knows how to play defense and we seem to be the only Big 12 school that can say that. That is why we are closer to being like Bama than we are being like Tech. Offense might have got you to the playoffs, but defense like Texas has will not only get us there but we will win when we get there.
I know you can get to the playoffs and get your ass kicked when you get there. I have seen no trend that tells me anything about your defense is changing. But since last year you were dead last in passing defense; a marginal change will likely be proof in your eyes that things are changing.
Dead last in pass defense, how very Tech of you.
And you base this opinion on what? Hearsay? Tom Herman is killing it in recruiting and has Texas trending up. To say otherwise and to allege that he's only recruiting well due to being a "negative recruiter", is BS. Unless you have solid facts to back this up, don't make these kind of statements on here. Also calling people "stupid" isn't wise either. You're welcome to post here, but hurling around crap like this isn't going to be tolerated.
No need when you have Big Red Motors.
It's not a coincidence that every great run the gooners have had has been tainted by cheating. It's in your DNA.
The duplicity is too thick to cut. OP conjures "bribing a recruit" out of thin air, and you say nothing. I barely mention that Herman might use negative recruiting, and you demand facts while brandishing the ban hammer.
Go ahead and circle your wagons around the village idiot.
And as for posting here ever again, let me count out how many fvcks I give about that.
There. All done.
Swing that hammer, b*tch. Pound that hollow chest when you do. You're a real Tarzan.
You seem to be unable to grasp that this is a Longhorn board and want to argue and spin things from your tainted, skewed 0U point of view. This ain't your house. What is said here and is allowed to be said here of course is going to be partial from a UT point of view. Why this is surprising to you is incredible. It works the same way on 0U boards. Since you don't "give a fvck", then leave and quit posting here, tough guy. We have several longtime 0U posters here that act respectfully and don't have the kind of argumentive attitude that you have. Some people just don't get it. SMDH.
Yes, that same defense which was much better than the 2018 iteration. They only gave up 201 pass yards per game in 2015, last year 291. Big difference. The 2015 defense was lead by stoops, the same guy who led the defense last year too. How can you not know that?
What argument? You trying to act like OU is like tech, and clearly the evidence says otherwise. I even backed up my assertion, which you did not. I never suggested they are winning championships because of defense. The formula tech had resulted in 0 championships, i'm pretty sure that is not the same thing as winning championships, heismans, top 5 finishes, first round picks, and general success.. Lots of teams use that formula and lose, OU's trophy case is showing us a different story. It works better than the texas formula obviously and the recent lack of championships, and heismans is very much like tech. As i said, tx i much closer to being tech.
You know how tech always had a better offense than defense? tx offense 33rd nationally, tx defense 69 nationally. That's a tech thing, not a bama thing LOL. So you can brag all you want about your 69th rated defense, but what good has that defense done for texas? It didnt do the job when it mattered most did it? Nope. So how is that a brag? A 2006 texas fan would be embarrassed to brag about that. I look at tech and i look at texas and i see the same level of recent success: zero championships, zero playoffs, zero heismans, and multiple losing seasons. That's very tech like. That's nothing like alabama, who are winners. So texas is much, much closer to tech than bama. Being in the bottom half of defenses nationally makes them more like tech, it doesnt make them like alabama, winning does, and they haven't won anything in a decade. How very tech of you.
It sure beats losing in the big 12 championship by a team who doesnt even field a defense. How does it feel to lose to a pop warner defense when it mattered most?
As far as trends go, last year they had one of the best defensive line classes, are building a nice secondary class this year. With Grinch's scheme and his experience turning a bunch of undersized 3 stars into a top 15 defense, recruits are taking notice. Get the talent on board and the team will get better. Riley is a better recruiter than stoops ever was, and this includes on defense so that's changing. He somehow is getting 4 and 5 stars all over the defense to visit, stoops hasnt been doing that in a decade. Any football fan knows that recruiting is the lifeblood of a program, and this is teh first time in a while OU is getting commits from players who hold offers from big time defensive programs instead of stealing away from baylor and nebraska or louisiana tech. And they were dominating the big 12 with that subpar talent. Now Riley is taking a seriosu approach to recruiting on D and it's getting better. Better enough to keep them competing for championships.
I believe "Tech" had some high powered offenses.......im sure probably top 10 probably top 5......defensively they struggled. Its not right to compare Ou to Tech when the Tech defense was much better than that Ou defense last year.
Go ahead and talk about all those Bigxii championships that has got you ONE national championship in that time frame....Ou is the biggest underachievers in college football if you go by that.
Go ahead and talk about all those Bigxii championships that has got you ONE national championship in that time frame....Ou is the biggest underachievers in college football if you go by that.
A Texas fan calling Oklahoma underachievers compared to Texas?
You guys are getting absurd. Poor Oklahoma they only dominate the conference that Texas is a member of.
That’s logical to who in their right mind?
You guys are getting absurd. Poor Oklahoma they only dominate the conference that Texas is a member of.
That’s logical to who in their right mind?
How many bowl wins and national championships does 0U have in the last 20 years or so?
Seriously "underachievers" in the sense you have dominated a conference yet only have ONE national championship to show for it. If TEXAS dominated the conference and had only ONE national championship to show for it then i would say the same for TEXAS. I really dont understand how you Sooners believe winning the conference as many times as you did yet come up short in the BIG bowl game or whatever isnt called "underachieving". Stoops won the national championship his first year as the ou coach but couldn't get it done again......i still dont understand the moniker "big game bob" when he only won ONE national championship. Sure ou got beat by Boise st in what most call "one of the biggest BCS bowl upsets ever" and there was that National championship game where ou players were asking USC players to "let up" in the second half because they were getting smoked.......but in soonerland it seems that the only thing that matters is "conference" championships because they cant get it done on the Big stage.....is that not the definition of "underachieving"? Please misstermoses tell me more about those "overachieving" sooners.....yeah i didn't think so.
Bob Stoops was your DC last year? I didn't think so. You see Bob Stoops has a pedigree as a DC, this is why he always fielded a great defense. Riley is an offensive coach and that is why your defense was ranked 130 and your offense is #1. Like I said, Tech.
Dead last passing defense, #1 passing offense. Tech
How often did Tech have a top 75 defense. Granted the Texas Defense was a work in progress last year, but by the end of the year, Texas was dropping defensive hammers on Georgia.
Actually looking at the penalties, it looked like Texas got jobbed by the Big 12. We all know deep down that the Big 12 wanted blOwU in the playoffs and made it so.
Under Tom Herman, Texas has been over Achievers. Last year the over/under for wins was set at 8.5 games. Texas won 10. That is called over achieving. Texas was picked to get blown out by Georgia, didn't happen. Texas was picked to lose to blOwU in the RRSO and Texas won. Again that is called over achieving.
Spout what you wish. OU was in 4-BCS natty games in the 2000's & we lost 3 - it sucked but not as much as not being in them. 12-conference titles to 3?!! 3?!! at UT?!! It's hardly a wonder why those titles garner such little respect amongst posters on this board at least. (See Aesop: Chapter on grapes and their ripeness vs. availability for reference)
Also, you don't "luck into" heisman winners. Those kids wanted to play at OU. Nobody exiled them there. That would be 8 as of last count. (Though none of our bronze men are as awesome as the one of Earl, no kidding, that thing is Michelangelo class) Not being as financially endowed as the 40-acres and considering the demand for the statues it would cost OU 5-schollies a year to fund 8-of those things. We have to go with a lesser product but get volume pricing, which is needed.
Let's just stop on the inheritance issue and I won't bring it back up when that stallion lineman you just got in the portal from Georgia is all-american.
While we're at it let's drop the cheating rhetoric in light of your men's tennis coach and his illicit 30-pieces of silver windfall.
Now you have to go and dig up the Blake era. That is not fairdinkem. It seems like yesterday when the howls for Charlie Strong were so positive. He'll certainly fix what Mack broke. Mack didn't just break it, he took the silverware when he left.
With UT's plethora of riches in a state of HS football riches it is incredible that you have floundered for so long without quality QB play. (notwithstanding your current stud, he's the real deal) What really irks me now is that you've finally solved the 10-year curse by landing Herman. He's finally taking out the trash and ridding the team of the vestigial prima donna attitudes that poisoned many teams.
Now I have to go back to being a full fledged opponent in October whereas I was once comfortable knowing we would win 7-8 out of 10 on a regular basis with me not having to exert myself. I'm afraid TH is going to cause me much grief in the future unless he starts dallying with hollywood helicopter moms that claims her daughter is the second coming of Chance Mock needs that scholly bad!
Lighten up and have some fun.
What's the difference between OU and tech in the past 20 years? One national championship, A dozen big 12 championships, 3 playoffs, 4 heismans, and 2 (possibly 3 here in a few hours) #1 picks.
It's not right to compare tech to OU because 12-2 conference champ is better than 5-7. It's a complete non starter. I dont care if you think they are underachievers. What's it to me? They're much more successful than tech (and anyone else in the conference) so it's kind of dumb to compare the two. you're better off comparing tech to texas, they're closer to eachother.
Any season you dont win a national championship is underachieving for any program who has realistic goals of it. So this behavior isnt specific to OU, a dozen teams underachieve every year. OU doesnt win in the national championships because everytime they play in one, they are playing against a team who has out-recruited them and has better players all over the field. Stoops ha been a shit recruiter for a long time now, getting top 15 type classes, recruiting just well enough to dominate the big 12 but he rarely ever got a player to commit who held offers from places like alabama, ohio state etc. He was able to get kids to pick OU over the likes of nebrasks, or nc state, or baylor. Enter Riley who is turning that one around, he's a much better recruiter than stoops and when he has a few classes behind him, hot dog watch out. In a manner of speaking it's not really underachieving against those teams because OU is usually the underdog in these games. But i tell you, the conference championship trophies look good in the trophy case, i'm not mad about that! And hey OU is not one of the top couple elite teams in the country year after year, but they are still the big 12's daddy and that's just going to have to suffice for now. Could be worse ya know? Could have a pretty barren trophy cupboard. You think Riley could recruit top 10 classes if OU had the same number of heismans, and big 12 championships and playoff appearances as texas? nope, they need that. tx can be garbage for a decade and still get a top 10 class, OU doesnt have that luxury. if you want to talk underachievers, texas takes the cake. No team in CFB history has started the season ranked in the top 15 and ended the season unranked than texas Which is not good because they typically recruit extremely well with most all the nation's best talent in the state.
Uh, no, his brother was the DC last year. So yeah I didnt think so either. No, bob stoops has not always fielded a great defense. He let his brother run the show on defense and it started falling apart. Bob was failing to recruit the necessary talent to beat the top teams. If your theory here held water, then Ou wouldnt have had a terrible defense behind Bob Stoops, but they did. so you are wrong.
Lets see tech went 5-7. Tx went 5-7 twice in the last few years. How tech of you. OU went 12-2. tech hasnt won 12 games ever in the entire history of their program. So now youre just trolling.
Too bad they didnt drop a defensive hammer On December 1st. How often did tech have a big 12 championship season? Oh. that many.
Sucks for you.
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Zero championships, a losing record against their biggest rival, and a loss in the most meaningful game tx has had since their NC loss. That's overachieving? The standards for tx have drastically fallen. Ouch. hell of a two year run for him. I guess you gotta find something to make you feel good about it.
Maybe its just me, but I for one am tired of an OU topic being the main conversation on the Texas board...quit feeding them, they will go away.
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