potential replacements

[collegebaseball10]

News is out, Charlie is out. I personally agree with the move, as a below .500 record isn't acceptable with the resources here. Whoever comes in has a lot of good young talent on the roster, and could get this team to a new years day bowl next year if our freshman QB can improve. Charlie will get a $10 million buy out and go be a great defensive coordinator at a big SEC school, so he will be just fine. Some candidates to replace Charlie:

1) Herman: obvious candidate. Has done great things with average talent at UH, and that is what UT needs. UT recruits itself, we need someone who gets the most of out players, and Herman seems to do that in his young career. He is a risk though, because he's only a few years into his head coaching career.

2) Les Miles: If he brought in an outstanding OC with him, he could be a good fit.

3) Saban: highly doubt he considers UT, but I think UT has to go for him again.

4) PJ Fleck: up-and-coming name, certainly has a lot of passion. Probably not ready for this big of stage, but has got a lot out of his talent at Western Mich.

5) Briles: doubt UT would go this route, but would be interesting. Former TX high school coach, strong ties to the area, offensive guru. We tried once for him...

6) Jimbo Fisher: saban disciple, and used to running a big time program. Could end up at LSU.

7) Chris Petersen: only $2.5 mil buyout at Washington. Has done great things there.

 

[clob94]

Ugh.....

 

[ketelmeister]

Without herman, the list drops off quickly.

 

[t2x]

Ugh.....

I'm sorry Clob. I have watched all your postings. What makes you really think a pro coach, Harbaugh, Tomlin whom ever would come to coach. I am loosely quoting you when you say give me the check book I'll go get them.

I mean you and I know the same people. I just don't hear it from anyone else

 

[clob94]

@t2x

We aren't hearing it from anyone else because of the exact mindset you've got right now bud-- nobody thinks it's possible so let's just dismiss it.

Look, Harbaugh is in the last year of his contract after this season-- anybody who knows anything about NFL salary cap, as I'm sure you're aware, knows that after they won that superbowl, the Ravens paid WAY too much money for Flacco. His salary cap hit is roughly $25 million and it just goes up until 2021. You can't "build" a team around a cap hit that large that expects to compete for a superbowl yearly. You just can't do it. You can get lucky and hope you draft well, but there's no guarantee there. Signing veteran, high dollar players is VERY hard to do when you've tied so much money up in your qb.
Harbaugh knows he's not going to have a REAL superbowl contender unless they get lucky in the draft, or get Flacco to restructure. So he's fighting a losing battle.
The Ravens haven't reached out to him to offer him a contract extension yet.......... and coaches don't like uncertainty. He's making roughly $7.5 million right now with just 1 year left........ why wouldn't the man LISTEN to a 10 year guaranteed deal?
10 years at $100+ million with all the trimmings. He has a chance to come to a blue blood AND be one of the few coaches with not only a superbowl ring, BUT a national title as well.
Austin or Baltimore? I've been to Baltimore--- it sucks. I mean, it really, really sucks there.
Professional egos daily vs teaching young men.
Worrying about trades and money vs going and recruiting who you want.
65,000 fans vs 105,000 fanatics.
Freezing your butt off in Jan vs the Rose Bowl in socal.
Hoping to see baby bro at Thanksgiving for dinner vs hoping to see baby bro in the orange bowl at New Years.
Being the coach of the 2nd most popular team in your area code (Redskins) vs being the fvcking king of Texas.
Did I mention the hundred million bucks?
Maryland crab cakes vs austin bbq.
Pro professionalism vs college pagentry.
Heart vs "playing to get paid".

The worst possible thing any Texas fan, former player, alumni, regent, AD-- can do is go "Nah...... I doubt Harbaugh would leave the NFL so we won't bother asking."
That sounds like something Steve Patterson would say. "Take my word for it...I've worked in the pros for years and Jim Harbaugh will NEVER leave the 49ers without a superbowl ring.....". Well, guess what?

 

[hills5]

News is out, Charlie is out. I personally agree with the move, as a below .500 record isn't acceptable with the resources here. Whoever comes in has a lot of good young talent on the roster, and could get this team to a new years day bowl next year if our freshman QB can improve. Charlie will get a $10 million buy out and go be a great defensive coordinator at a big SEC school, so he will be just fine. Some candidates to replace Charlie:

1) Herman: obvious candidate. Has done great things with average talent at UH, and that is what UT needs. UT recruits itself, we need someone who gets the most of out players, and Herman seems to do that in his young career. He is a risk though, because he's only a few years into his head coaching career.

2) Les Miles: If he brought in an outstanding OC with him, he could be a good fit.

3) Saban: highly doubt he considers UT, but I think UT has to go for him again.

4) PJ Fleck: up-and-coming name, certainly has a lot of passion. Probably not ready for this big of stage, but has got a lot out of his talent at Western Mich.

5) Briles: doubt UT would go this route, but would be interesting. Former TX high school coach, strong ties to the area, offensive guru. We tried once for him...

6) Jimbo Fisher: saban disciple, and used to running a big time program. Could end up at LSU.

7) Chris Petersen: only $2.5 mil buyout at Washington. Has done great things there.

As an interested third party, I have to say that after Charlie Strong, it's interesting that UT would be interested in Herman. Yes, he is winning impressively at an in-state school, but winning at a smaller school does not necessarily translate to winning on the big stage. Strong won big at Louisville and had a much better resume than Herman has.

I think Miles is the best choice if he is instructed on the need to hire a more innovative OC. He's won, he's won consistently, he's won in the Big 12, and he's won at a big time program. Seems the most logical choice.

 

[clob94]

Herman is Charlie 2.0

 

[Pumpedup55]

Herman is Charlie 2.0

You could be right. I do like that Herman won right away with a win over OU being nice addition. I think he shown to be better game manager than strong. I personally like the Herman hire if we go that route.

So you think Herman will just fail based on his lack of HC experience ?

 

[speedstrength]

Someone has to be in place next Sunday. Not sure one of those NFL guys is going to do that.

 

[Belldozer1]

Lincoln Riley would be a name I would consider also. Offense is the name of the game in the Big 12. So he may not have the overall experience of a head coach, who cares. You can bring in a head coach with a name who hires a crap OC.

 

[Pumpedup55]

Lincoln Riley would be a name I would consider also. Offense is the name of the game in the Big 12. So he may not have the overall experience of a head coach, who cares. You can bring in a head coach with a name who hires a crap OC.

We wouldn't hire one of your coordinators to be our head coach

 

[Belldozer1]

We wouldn't hire one of your coordinators to be our head coach

why not? Who has a better offense in the Big 12? What did Riley do his FIRST year being the OC at OU? What did Heupel do his last year at OU?

 

[Pumpedup55]

why not? Who has a better offense in the Big 12?

I don't think we've ever hired someone's coordinator to our HC ever. Not to mention our arch rival. Herman is way better candidate anyway.

 

[Belldozer1]

I don't think we've ever hired someone's coordinator to our HC ever. Not to mention our arch rival. Herman is way better candidate anyway.

Hey I'm just throwing a name out there that you would not have to pay freaking 5 mil a year for starting out. I mean damn, I think part of Texas' problem is they are paying WAY too much. Where is the incentive? Why not get a good up and coming coach that you can reward with raises based on winning?

 

[Crimson_Warrior]

Lincoln Riley would be a name I would consider also. Offense is the name of the game in the Big 12. So he may not have the overall experience of a head coach, who cares. You can bring in a head coach with a name who hires a crap OC.

SHHHHHH!

Holy crap will you please shush it Belldozer...

 

[Belldozer1]

SHHHHHH!

Holy crap will you please shush it Belldozer...

Haha hey I really like Riley and I doubt the powers that be read my posts. I just think the 5 mil per year right off the bat for coaches who haven't won at least a NC is total bs. Make them freaking earn it by winning. Bring in an up and comer, doesn't have to be Riley but it just seems to me there needs to be an incentive.

 

[Pumpedup55]

Hey I'm just throwing a name out there that you would not have to pay freaking 5 mil a year for starting out. I mean damn, I think part of Texas' problem is they are paying WAY too much. Where is the incentive? Why not get a good up and coming coach that you can reward with raises based on winning?

I agree college coaching salaries are way too high for some of the unproven coacheAnd strong was way over paid.

 

[clob94]

Bell has his giant spoon out again, just stirring the fecal pot. Purely trying to entertain himself.

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

@t2x

We aren't hearing it from anyone else because of the exact mindset you've got right now bud-- nobody thinks it's possible so let's just dismiss it.

Look, Harbaugh is in the last year of his contract after this season-- anybody who knows anything about NFL salary cap, as I'm sure you're aware, knows that after they won that superbowl, the Ravens paid WAY too much money for Flacco. His salary cap hit is roughly $25 million and it just goes up until 2021. You can't "build" a team around a cap hit that large that expects to compete for a superbowl yearly. You just can't do it. You can get lucky and hope you draft well, but there's no guarantee there. Signing veteran, high dollar players is VERY hard to do when you've tied so much money up in your qb.
Harbaugh knows he's not going to have a REAL superbowl contender unless they get lucky in the draft, or get Flacco to restructure. So he's fighting a losing battle.
The Ravens haven't reached out to him to offer him a contract extension yet.......... and coaches don't like uncertainty. He's making roughly $7.5 million right now with just 1 year left........ why wouldn't the man LISTEN to a 10 year guaranteed deal?
10 years at $100+ million with all the trimmings. He has a chance to come to a blue blood AND be one of the few coaches with not only a superbowl ring, BUT a national title as well.
Austin or Baltimore? I've been to Baltimore--- it sucks. I mean, it really, really sucks there.
Professional egos daily vs teaching young men.
Worrying about trades and money vs going and recruiting who you want.
65,000 fans vs 105,000 fanatics.
Freezing your butt off in Jan vs the Rose Bowl in socal.
Hoping to see baby bro at Thanksgiving for dinner vs hoping to see baby bro in the orange bowl at New Years.
Being the coach of the 2nd most popular team in your area code (Redskins) vs being the fvcking king of Texas.
Did I mention the hundred million bucks?
Maryland crab cakes vs austin bbq.
Pro professionalism vs college pagentry.
Heart vs "playing to get paid".

The worst possible thing any Texas fan, former player, alumni, regent, AD-- can do is go "Nah...... I doubt Harbaugh would leave the NFL so we won't bother asking."
That sounds like something Steve Patterson would say. "Take my word for it...I've worked in the pros for years and Jim Harbaugh will NEVER leave the 49ers without a superbowl ring.....". Well, guess what?

I don't think it hurts to ask (though as someone else said, the sooner a coach is in place the better and NFL coaches aren't done for the season yet), but I DO think that while it doesn't hurt to take a moon shot here, we have to be ready to look at the other options as well. Because the thing with a moon shot (especially in a situation where science doesn't really help you fix the odds), there's a decent chance we'll be left floating out somewhere in space. And we can throw everything at an NFL coach... but there is a limited amount of time before the other options will start vanishing on us. So whether we're ready to say, more or less, that money (or amenities) is not object... time is.

How late can we realistically wait for Tomlin or Harbaugh before we have to say, wow, everyone else is off the board... we need to make a move now? I mean, will we still have all our backup options available on January 2, the day after the NFL regular season ends? Will we still have our backup options a few weeks later when one of those two are done with the playoffs (because it seems pretty likely that at least one of them is going to be in the playoffs)?

Again, not against asking them. But I'm very much against us being in mid January or early February going, oh crap... all those other options are gone, and sounds like the NFL guys just were renegotiating things. Now what? And I am a little skeptical about when they would actually be able to tell us a definitive "yes" or "no". When did Jim Harbaugh make it official for Michigan? And what kind of situation would they have been in if he had said no at that point?

 

[LonghornMM]

Clob, so who is the coach that is a can't miss, homerun hire who you want?

 

[t2x]

@t2x

We aren't hearing it from anyone else because of the exact mindset you've got right now bud-- nobody thinks it's possible so let's just dismiss it.

Look, Harbaugh is in the last year of his contract after this season-- anybody who knows anything about NFL salary cap, as I'm sure you're aware, knows that after they won that superbowl, the Ravens paid WAY too much money for Flacco. His salary cap hit is roughly $25 million and it just goes up until 2021. You can't "build" a team around a cap hit that large that expects to compete for a superbowl yearly. You just can't do it. You can get lucky and hope you draft well, but there's no guarantee there. Signing veteran, high dollar players is VERY hard to do when you've tied so much money up in your qb.
Harbaugh knows he's not going to have a REAL superbowl contender unless they get lucky in the draft, or get Flacco to restructure. So he's fighting a losing battle.
The Ravens haven't reached out to him to offer him a contract extension yet.......... and coaches don't like uncertainty. He's making roughly $7.5 million right now with just 1 year left........ why wouldn't the man LISTEN to a 10 year guaranteed deal?
10 years at $100+ million with all the trimmings. He has a chance to come to a blue blood AND be one of the few coaches with not only a superbowl ring, BUT a national title as well.
Austin or Baltimore? I've been to Baltimore--- it sucks. I mean, it really, really sucks there.
Professional egos daily vs teaching young men.
Worrying about trades and money vs going and recruiting who you want.
65,000 fans vs 105,000 fanatics.
Freezing your butt off in Jan vs the Rose Bowl in socal.
Hoping to see baby bro at Thanksgiving for dinner vs hoping to see baby bro in the orange bowl at New Years.
Being the coach of the 2nd most popular team in your area code (Redskins) vs being the fvcking king of Texas.
Did I mention the hundred million bucks?
Maryland crab cakes vs austin bbq.
Pro professionalism vs college pagentry.
Heart vs "playing to get paid".

The worst possible thing any Texas fan, former player, alumni, regent, AD-- can do is go "Nah...... I doubt Harbaugh would leave the NFL so we won't bother asking."
That sounds like something Steve Patterson would say. "Take my word for it...I've worked in the pros for years and Jim Harbaugh will NEVER leave the 49ers without a superbowl ring.....". Well, guess what?

No , I don't have a particular mindset , I am all for aiming high. I am just recalling all your posts. You are just wishing and guessing

 

[Belldozer1]

Bell has his giant spoon out again, just stirring the fecal pot. Purely trying to entertain himself.

Not at all, being serious. I like Herman but is he worth 5 mil per year as is? I don't think so but that's what he'll demand.Maybe I'm wrong?

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Herman is Charlie 2.0

They are very different. Herman is an offensive guy. Charlie is not. Their resumes are very different too.

 

[ryan_sublett]

John Harbaugh would listen if we picked the phone up and called him. I'm not saying he'd come for sure but he'd listen.

 

[jwwebster81]

Out of this list Saban would be the obvious choice. Still not sold on Herman.

 

[Pumpedup55]

They are very different. Herman is an offensive guy. Charlie is not. Their resumes are very different too.

Add to that hermans teams fielded a very fundamentally sound defense.

 

[Belldozer1]

Add to that hermans teams fielded a very fundamentally sound defense.

Remember when we all used to marvel at TCU's fundamentally sound defense? It too has fallen victim to the Big 12 suckage machine. The Big 12 is no respector of persons, we all succumb at some point, Herman's defense will be no exception LOL.

 

[collegebaseball10]

I agree on not being 100% on Herman yet, but there really isn't a steller list of candidates available this year. I just think the body of work hasn't been around long enough for Herman, but I know he is worshiped in college football circles while Charlie was popular but not as much of a hot hire like Herman is right now. I do think it would satisfy the big money boosters, and I seem to remember that Charlie's hiring didn't please the boosters when he was hired.

Charlie had success because he had a 1st round QB at Louisville (Bridgewater), and IMO it's easy to coach teams if you have a stud QB. Look at us when we had Vince, McCoy...we also had elite teams those years that made Mack look like a genius. Ever since then we've struggled at QB and our program has struggled. If you look at Herman, when Ward was healthy, they dominated. When he wasn't, they lost to SMU and Navy.

Texas is a school that recruits itself, so I think we really need to look at coaches that can get the most out of the talent because the 4-5* kids will always want to come to 40 acres, regardless who is coaching. How about the Colorado coach MacIntyre or maybe Lane Kiffin at Alabama? I do agree with one of the other posts, we won't hire an OC because we need a splash hire.

I think we go after Saban, Harbaugh and Meyer and assuming all 3 say no, then we go to Herman, Fisher, or Miles. If we can't get any of those 3, then we might as well bring back Mack for a season until we can hire one of the A-players we want. We saw last time what happened when our A team (Saban, Briles, Jim Mora) all said no and we had to move to the B-players (Charlie).

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Remember when we all used to marvel at TCU's fundamentally sound defense? It too has fallen victim to the Big 12 suckage machine. The Big 12 is no respecter of persons, we all succumb at some point, Herman's defense will be no exception LOL.

Many good schools and blue bloods are successful with hiring a non P5 head coach or elevating a coordinator to head coach. If Texas cannot get a big time coach, I say they take the risk with Herman. Herman is a smart guy. He has spent the majority of the past 15 years coaching in Texas.

 

[clob94]

No , I don't have a particular mindset , I am all for aiming high. I am just recalling all your posts. You are just wishing and guessing

Wishing? Of course. We all wish when it's time to hire a new coach. People "wished" for charlie to come here.

Guessing? Not in the least. I know Harbaugh's contract situation as would you with a Google search. I know Austin is a more attractive place to live than Baltimore. I also KNOW we can pay him more money than the Ravens can.

Wishing- yes.
Guessing--- not one iota.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

McIntyre has a losing record as a head coach. Kiffin has failed at Tennessee and USC. No and no. This year is an anomaly for McIntyre. Kiffin has topped out as an OC.

 

[ryan_sublett]

You know who I'd call? He may not have any interest but Jay Gruden. That guy can coach. He went to 4 arena Bowls won two as a HC in arena football. In his 1 year as a HC in the minor league UFL his team made it to the championship game. He took the redskins to the playoffs in his 2nd year as HC and has them in the hunt this year. Which given their history with Snyder as owner is no small feat. I don't know if he has any college interest at all but he strikes me as kind of like Harbaugh. He will win everywhere he goes.

 

[Belldozer1]

I don't watch pro ball so can't comment too much on Harbaugh but no matter how big the name is, he better understand he's stepping into a buzz saw league and be ready to employ an offense that can score a heck of a lot of points.

 

[crazypatriotguy]

@t2x

We aren't hearing it from anyone else because of the exact mindset you've got right now bud-- nobody thinks it's possible so let's just dismiss it.

Look, Harbaugh is in the last year of his contract after this season-- anybody who knows anything about NFL salary cap, as I'm sure you're aware, knows that after they won that superbowl, the Ravens paid WAY too much money for Flacco. His salary cap hit is roughly $25 million and it just goes up until 2021. You can't "build" a team around a cap hit that large that expects to compete for a superbowl yearly. You just can't do it. You can get lucky and hope you draft well, but there's no guarantee there. Signing veteran, high dollar players is VERY hard to do when you've tied so much money up in your qb.
Harbaugh knows he's not going to have a REAL superbowl contender unless they get lucky in the draft, or get Flacco to restructure. So he's fighting a losing battle.
The Ravens haven't reached out to him to offer him a contract extension yet.......... and coaches don't like uncertainty. He's making roughly $7.5 million right now with just 1 year left........ why wouldn't the man LISTEN to a 10 year guaranteed deal?
10 years at $100+ million with all the trimmings. He has a chance to come to a blue blood AND be one of the few coaches with not only a superbowl ring, BUT a national title as well.
Austin or Baltimore? I've been to Baltimore--- it sucks. I mean, it really, really sucks there.
Professional egos daily vs teaching young men.
Worrying about trades and money vs going and recruiting who you want.
65,000 fans vs 105,000 fanatics.
Freezing your butt off in Jan vs the Rose Bowl in socal.
Hoping to see baby bro at Thanksgiving for dinner vs hoping to see baby bro in the orange bowl at New Years.
Being the coach of the 2nd most popular team in your area code (Redskins) vs being the fvcking king of Texas.
Did I mention the hundred million bucks?
Maryland crab cakes vs austin bbq.
Pro professionalism vs college pagentry.
Heart vs "playing to get paid".

The worst possible thing any Texas fan, former player, alumni, regent, AD-- can do is go "Nah...... I doubt Harbaugh would leave the NFL so we won't bother asking."
That sounds like something Steve Patterson would say. "Take my word for it...I've worked in the pros for years and Jim Harbaugh will NEVER leave the 49ers without a superbowl ring.....". Well, guess what?

Clob, I'm all for hiring Harbaugh, I just worry about how soon he would really consider it. Do you feel he would seriously think about it before Baltimore's season ends, regardless of how much money we offer him?

My one concern is if we're waiting around for him until January and then it falls through.

 

[westx]

The names I have heard on this board that I like are:
1. John Harbaugh
2, Chip Kelly
3, Tom Herman
4. Mike Tomlin

I have no idea of our chances, but, just the coaches I like out of all that have been mentioned.