Scared Muslims

[FlourBluffHorn]

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-americans-fear-demonization-islam-mass-shooting-003237744.html

If they are so scared then they need to police their ranks and turn these guys in, and don't buy that BS that they don't know who they are, just like the shooters father with the news guy and his father said that he didn't know about it and wouldn't even look at the news guy in the eye while saying it, so if they are scared then turn these cells and guys in, or they gonna wind up in a counter-intelligence data base, I guess the equivalent of a modern day Jap internment camp...in other words its not a good time to be a Muslim in the US today!



Hook'em

 

[speedstrength]

Approximately 2% of the population in the US is Muslim. That works out to about 6.7 million people. If 10% of that population is planning on performing terrorist attacks your looking at 670,000 people, if it were 1% that would be 67,000 people, .001% would be 6700. The problem is a tiny fraction of 1% of the Muslim population in the US is carrying out these types of attacks and its like trying to find a needle in a haystack. The people who are successful are the ones that are able to keep a low profile and blend in without being noticed. Your probably taking about .0001% of the Muslim population who in the pipeline to carry out attacks. There will be some of those 670 people who will be able to slip by. We know about 200 Americans have tried to go fight for ISIS. I am sure there are at least double that out there who are of the same mindset. Finding those people will be a challenge.

 

[Heisennberg]

I tell you what, Russia does not screw around. We could take a play out of their playbook. Maybe the only way to really beat this is with equal barbaric violence. It seemed to work for Russia a few times.

In October 1985, a radical Muslim Brotherhood splinter group kidnapped four Soviet diplomats in Beirut. By the time Russian special forces reached the city, one of the diplomats had already been executed.

As Moscow’s policy was never to negotiate with terrorists, no effort was made to do so. Using a network of informants, the Russians identified the militant group responsible and the kidnappers involved.

With the kidnappers’ names in hand, the Russians immediately rounded up their family members, taking them hostage. They then cut off hostages’ body parts, delivering them to the militants along with the threat to continue making deliveries.

The militants got the message. The surviving Russian diplomats were immediately released. For two decades thereafter, Russian diplomats operated safely abroad without fear of becoming targets of Muslim terrorists.

But in 2006, Putin had to call upon his special forces again after four Russian officials in Iraq were abducted and murdered. He gave the order those responsible were to be “destroyed.” Each of the militants involved was hunted down and killed.

Russian naval special forces also have not shied away from playing the fear card. In 2010, the forces confronted Somali pirates.

Operating from their mother ship, the Somalis pirated a Russian oil tanker. Russian naval special forces boarded the tanker, easily routing the pirates, taking them captive and putting them back onboard their mother ship. There, the pirates were securely tied up and the mother ship fitted with explosives. Once back on their own ship, the Russians detonated the explosives.

No Russian ship since then has been pirated.

 

[Belldozer1]

But, but, but we are fighting ISIS. We are just dropping leaflets in advance of our bombing runs warning people it's coming. Yes no agenda here.

 

[oldhorn2]

to complicate the issue...This guys brother was a decorated veteran who served aboard the USS Enterprise during one of these campaigns.

I could not agree more with the idea of not screwing around but in America we are a melting pot so to speak. After Pearl Harbor, all Japanese Americans were put in camps and their lands confiscated. Pretty unjust. Couple that with the fact that a whole combat unit was created for the war in Europe made up entirely of Japanese Americans and it ended up being the most highly decorated unit in WWII....

The fact is that this guy was identified....he was on the no fly list....that did not stop him from flying. Not even to the middle east. I have zero confidence in the Fools Bumblers and Idiots or any other feds Like the Atrocious Terrible Fumblers....

What we need is a decent oversight group that will actually function.

 

[elcapitan009]

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-americans-fear-demonization-islam-mass-shooting-003237744.html

If they are so scared then they need to police their ranks and turn these guys in, and don't buy that BS that they don't know who they are, just like the shooters father with the news guy and his father said that he didn't know about it and wouldn't even look at the news guy in the eye while saying it, so if they are scared then turn these cells and guys in, or they gonna wind up in a counter-intelligence data base, I guess the equivalent of a modern day Jap internment camp...in other words its not a good time to be a Muslim in the US today!



Hook'em

so in your mind, every muslim knows a terrorist? it's sad how easily ready you are to repeat japanese internment camps.

 

[UTGrad87]

I think I good law would be . . . "if you're a 1st or 2nd generation Muslim and a close relative of yours goes off on a Jihad in America and kills someone . . . then we drop you out of an Airplane over Syria, in the middle of the day, with a red, white and blue parachute in your pack."

It would then be up to the sky diver if they want to pull the rip chord! Yup, sounds about right to me.

 

[elcapitan009]

I think I good law would be . . . "if you're a 1st or 2nd generation Muslim and a close relative of yours goes off on a Jihad in America and kills someone . . . then we drop you out of an Airplane over Syria, in the middle of the day, with a red, white and blue parachute in your pack."

It would then be up to the sky diver if they want to pull the rip chord! Yup, sounds about right to me.

What a beautifully-simple world you must live in. I'm jealous.

 

[BittyBartWon]

What a beautifully-simple world you must live in. I'm jealous.

You're liberal scum, I suppose? Not that I agree with his comment (I wouldn't give them a parachute), but I like the whole "ship'em out now" stance.

 

[MauiHorn]

to complicate the issue...This guys brother was a decorated veteran who served aboard the USS Enterprise during one of these campaigns.

I could not agree more with the idea of not screwing around but in America we are a melting pot so to speak. After Pearl Harbor, all Japanese Americans were put in camps and their lands confiscated. Pretty unjust. Couple that with the fact that a whole combat unit was created for the war in Europe made up entirely of Japanese Americans and it ended up being the most highly decorated unit in WWII....

The fact is that this guy was identified....he was on the no fly list....that did not stop him from flying. Not even to the middle east. I have zero confidence in the Fools Bumblers and Idiots or any other feds Like the Atrocious Terrible Fumblers....

What we need is a decent oversight group that will actually function.

Sad fing state of affairs if this guy is just flying around buying arms when he was identified.

Our govt can't really protect us from the one offs. It's really down to people having to do it ourselves

 

[elcapitan009]

You're liberal scum, I suppose? Not that I agree with his comment (I wouldn't give them a parachute), but I like the whole "ship'em out now" stance.

Yes. I'm liberal scum. I don't believe in punishing innocent people by throwing them out of a plane because a relative committed a crime.

I wonder how you would feel if your cousin gets arrested and someone says you need to be shipped out of the country and dropped into a war zone.

But black and white is easier to process for some people. Hope this thread gets locked soon.

 

[BittyBartWon]

Yes. I'm liberal scum. I don't believe in punishing innocent people by throwing them out of a plane because a relative committed a crime.

I wonder how you would feel if your cousin gets arrested and someone says you need to be shipped out of the country and dropped into a war zone.

But black and white is easier to process for some people. Hope this thread gets locked soon.

Lmao, you and your ilk are pathetic. We need to be a solid, defensive Nation. Not a bend over backwards for immigrants that don't have nearly the rights I do in my country.

 

[BittyBartWon]

DP

 

[DrinkToIt]

Wow, by reading some of these posts Id say we have some potential murderers in our ranks. Good God, get a grip people. Advocating throwing a relative out of a plane without a parachute? Whats wrong with you?

 

[BittyBartWon]

Wow, by reading some of these posts Id say we have some potential murderers in our ranks. Good God, get a grip people. Advocating throwing a relative out of a plane without a parachute? Whats wrong with you?

^^^^Hillary supporter alert^^^^

 

[swVAHorn]

Lmao, you and your ilk are pathetic. We need to be a solid, defensive Nation. Not a bend over backwards for immigrants that don't have nearly the rights I do in my country.

So if your cousin does a crime we should hunt you down and kill you? Make sense in your weird world I guess. I have said this before to some on here, want to see evil look in the mirror..... I have some issues that I agree with on the right and some on the left. But killing a family member who is innocent of any crime because he or she has a relative that is a criminal is most likely the STUPIDEST thing I have ever seen.

 

[swVAHorn]

^^^^Hillary supporter alert^^^^

Put out your name and address and let us do a background check on ALL your family members.....if one of them is a criminal..you are screwed.

 

[BittyBartWon]

Put out your name and address and let us do a background check on ALL your family members.....if one of them is a criminal..you are screwed.

So defensive. I agree with some left side points, but for the most part, they are enabling this sort of activity.

If you have to make a point with a few people to deter radical activities, I'm ok with that to protect American lives.

My family is good to go. We all carry guns and would likely help in these types of situations. A few on here would hand over their weapon (not that they would be carrying anyway, but hypothetically) after the radicalists ran out of ammo and demanded as much.

It's perplexing.

 

[BittyBartWon]

Put out your name and address and let us do a background check on ALL your family members.....if one of them is a criminal..you are screwed.

You'd probably change your mind on the subject in a few days anyway. Your whole Steong support was dumped on your head and you did just the same in regards to that.

Keep up the fight.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

so in your mind, every muslim knows a terrorist? it's sad how easily ready you are to repeat japanese internment camps.

Nope! I said that every terrorists has a family that knows he's doing what he doing and none of them are gonna come forward to warn that nephew about to do a bombing somewhere, then that makes them an part of what he's doing, But I would put your ass in one ElCapitan!



Hook'em,

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

http://news.yahoo.com/muslim-americans-fear-demonization-islam-mass-shooting-003237744.html

If they are so scared then they need to police their ranks and turn these guys in, and don't buy that BS that they don't know who they are, just like the shooters father with the news guy and his father said that he didn't know about it and wouldn't even look at the news guy in the eye while saying it, so if they are scared then turn these cells and guys in, or they gonna wind up in a counter-intelligence data base, I guess the equivalent of a modern day Jap internment camp...in other words its not a good time to be a Muslim in the US today!



Hook'em

Ok, and did you say the same about white guys with Christian upbringings that shoot up schools, clinics, churches, etc? I mean, I guess if we're going to assign everyone in a racial/religious group to police their own... don't we all have some responsibility there? Of the 355 "mass shootings" that occurred in the US in 2015, I have a feeling a lot of them weren't Muslim.

For what it's worth, yes, I do encourage ANYONE who thinks they know someone who's going to perform one of these horrific acts to step forward and say or do something.

And I'll say it again, why do we always feel the need to post politics on here? We don't have enough to argue about when it comes to who should be coaching the football team?

Wonder how long this thread goes until it devolves to a point where it gets locked...

 

[BittyBartWon]

Ok, and did you say the same about white guys with Christian upbringings that shoot up schools, clinics, churches, etc? I mean, I guess if we're going to assign everyone in a racial/religious group to police their own... don't we all have some responsibility there? Of the 355 "mass shootings" that occurred in the US in 2015, I have a feeling a lot of them weren't Muslim.

For what it's worth, yes, I do encourage ANYONE who thinks they know someone who's going to perform one of these horrific acts to step forward and say or do something.

And I'll say it again, why do we always feel the need to post politics on here? We don't have enough to argue about when it comes to who should be coaching the football team?

Wonder how long this thread goes until it devolves to a point where it gets locked...

You need to check your "mass shooting" facts. You're very far off.

 

[swVAHorn]

You'd probably change your mind on the subject in a few days anyway. Your whole Steong support was dumped on your head and you did just the same in regards to that.

Keep up the fight.

What the hell does this statement even mean? Are you drunk?

 

[DrinkToIt]

^^^^Hillary supporter alert^^^^

Youre clearly a troll. No one can be that judgmental. For the record I voted for Ron Paul the last two elections. Advocating the death of an innocent person makes you no better than those terrorists who murdered those innocent people in California.

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

You need to check your "mass shooting" facts. You're very far off.

In what way? I'm going by this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-is-the-second-today-and-the-355th-this-year/

... and a few other sources that agree with similar numbers. I'm sure there are numerous ways in which to count statistics on this kind of thing, and I'm happy to hear different approaches, but 4+ victims seems like a not-totally-unreasonable method. Which method are you going by? Fatalities? I'm sure some of the people shot in my statistics didn't die.

Or do you mean to suggest that some larger amount of the shooters are Muslim? I don't think the facts support that.

 

[DrinkToIt]

Nope! I said that every terrorists has a family that knows he's doing what he doing and none of them are gonna come forward to warn that nephew about to do a bombing somewhere, then that makes them an part of what he's doing, But I would put your ass in one ElCapitan!



Hook'em,

You really believe this? You know everything your relatives are doing? They tell you all? Are you kidding? What makes you think that a guy that intends on killing innocent people is going to talk about it around the dinner table with his parents or call up his cousins and tell them all about it? Because their Arab, or Muslim? Is that the logic here?

 

[oldhorn2]

Lmao, you and your ilk are pathetic. We need to be a solid, defensive Nation. Not a bend over backwards for immigrants that don't have nearly the rights I do in my country.

Bittybart....strange talk from someone decended of a wetback.....and you are unless you are 100% native American....Salt water wetbacks are wetbacks none the less.....so this group includes me. You sound like you are so ready to defend America that you are ready to turn your back on that totally American ideal?....

"give us your weak....." That is on the base of the Statue of Liberty. My great grandfather was in the civil war...my grandfather in the Spanish American war....my Dad was in WWII....and I am a veteran..Do you think we did all that so you could pick and choose who you think ought to live here? What have you done to protect this wonderful nation?

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Hook'em

You really believe this? You know everything your relatives are doing? They tell you all? Are you kidding? What makes you think that a guy that intends on killing innocent people is going to talk about it around the dinner table with his parents or call up his cousins and tell them all about it? Because their Arab, or Muslim? Is that the logic here?

One of them had to know..you just can't get all that ammo and swat equipment and guns without someone knowing and all that stuff they found at their house, they are all a close knit family cause they have to be, as to the way everything is pointing their ethnic group



Hook'em

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

You really believe this? You know everything your relatives are doing? They tell you all? Are you kidding? What makes you think that a guy that intends on killing innocent people is going to talk about it around the dinner table with his parents or call up his cousins and tell them all about it? Because their Arab, or Muslim? Is that the logic here?

Agreed. I'm sure there ARE some situations where people have suspicions... just like when white or black or Hispanic people do bad things. We've all heard interviews where someone (of any race) does something bad, and there are people who say he told them something strange or they were acting different or whatever, and in those cases... yeah, say something! If it's at one point, maybe get them into counseling or whatever. If it's beyond that point, get the police or FBI involved as appropriate.

But there seem to be just as many times that the reaction is that the friends and family had no idea they were capable of something like that. And that's going to be true across racial or religious lines.

 

[oldhorn2]

You need to check your "mass shooting" facts. You're very far off.

Colombine...Aurora...Killeen( hell thats the one that got the concealed carry into law)....how am I doing?

 

[DrinkToIt]

Hook'em

One of them had to know..you just can't get all that ammo and swat equipment and guns without someone knowing and all that stuff they found at their house, they are all a close knit family cause they have to be, as to the way everything is pointing their ethnic group



Hook'em

How do you know this? Because they are close knit family because of their ethnic group? What is this ridiculous generalization? Someone in the family had to know? Come on man.

 

[happyhookem]

I have found that over the past several years I have become increasingly isolationist. As far as I'm concerned close the effin' borders and keep everybody out. We pay farming subsidies because we are able to grow so much food. I don't think we'll starve. We can pretty much take care of ourselves. I'm like John McCain, stop sending 700 billion dollars a year to countries that don't like us and take care our stuff here at home. Paraphrased but close enough. Oh, and thanks, Obama!

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Agreed. I'm sure there ARE some situations where people have suspicions... just like when white or black or Hispanic people do bad things. We've all heard interviews where someone (of any race) does something bad, and there are people who say he told them something strange or they were acting different or whatever, and in those cases... yeah, say something! If it's at one point, maybe get them into counseling or whatever. If it's beyond that point, get the police or FBI involved as appropriate.

But there seem to be just as many times that the reaction is that the friends and family had no idea they were capable of something like that. And that's going to be true across racial or religious lines.

or we could do them like they did in Nam, take 4 of them for a ride in a helo, throw the 1st one out and the other 3 would start talking so much ya almost had to shoot them to shut up, but the intel they got from them 3 saved a company of American soldiers from getting overrun,

Hook'em

 

[BittyBartWon]

In what way? I'm going by this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-is-the-second-today-and-the-355th-this-year/

... and a few other sources that agree with similar numbers. I'm sure there are numerous ways in which to count statistics on this kind of thing, and I'm happy to hear different approaches, but 4+ victims seems like a not-totally-unreasonable method. Which method are you going by? Fatalities? I'm sure some of the people shot in my statistics didn't die.

Or do you mean to suggest that some larger amount of the shooters are Muslim? I don't think the facts support that.

In this way: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journa...mber-4/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

Credit TexExSpur for the link

 

[BittyBartWon]

Colombine...Aurora...Killeen( hell thats the one that got the concealed carry into law)....how am I doing?

Try and keep up. We are talking 2015.

Try again if you want.