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Well there's plenty of laughable protest but it's not your protest obviously. I just think it's your right to protest period. Whether you like the topic or not. I don't care for the confederate topic but I also don't go around saying they have no right. Also the whole idea of African Americans not protesting about oppression is false. Everytime a black man gets shot they protest and it's been going on before Kap. We just choose to pay attention when it gets violent or when we feel disrespected.

There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything.... they are "protesting" in the wrong way.... and all of a sudden.... if this much strong feeling truly exists within these players, then where have their protests been up until now? And what change do they feel this will enact? Whle everyone has the right to protest what they see fit, most do so in a way that actually has a chance of enacting change etc. All these protests are doing is alienating these guys from fans, owners and the people that pay their salary. If they feel this strongly - I ask again - where is the OFF the field action from these passionate protesters? When are they getting in front of the media and cameras when they arent working? What are theyvdoing financially to help further their cause and message? I find it humorous that they ONLY seem to protest during the national anthem before they go play a game and collect another 6 figure pay check.... yet when the lights go off and the game is done, NONE of them go back out to help further the cause......

I fully respect their right to feel as they do, and even protest - but lets get real here - actions speak louder than words and their protest seems quite hollow if this is ALL they chose to do. In all seriousness it comes of more as a tantrum than a protest bc when the spotlight isnt on them, they arent crying out against anything...... I also believe that they shouldnt be trying to force their opinions and causes on the people that basically PAY for their way of life.. ie: owners/fans etc. If any of us used our work as a political platform when our job was not political - there would be ramifications and consequences, and for good reason. Work isnt a soap box to push your own political agendas, its your means to live life and provide for your family etc. These players have lots of money, and ame as professional athletes - why cant they take time out of their week when not working to make their views known and to protest? If they feel this strongly, then WHY are these protests ONLY occuring during the games?

I get where you are coming from, but lets get real - these arent legit protests in the sense of what they are trying to make it out to be. And the irony of the rich protesting oppression is down right funny. There are right ways and wrong ways.. and this way - while within their rights- is NOT doing anything to help anything. If they TRULY want to enact change and TRULY protest oppression, then you and I BOTH know that this isnt worth a f*ck sir. This is just a publicity draw to get an extra 15 seconds of air time on Sundays before they quiet back down and forget how offended they are for the other 6 days of the week. And if you want to argue that, then please bring some evidence of all these players actually going out and organizing and planning actions that will help institute change in policy and everything else.... if you cant, then it furthers my point in its entirety.

Not trying to piss anyone off here, but what I am saying is real. I respect the right to unpopular speech and beliefs, and I know veterans that feel the same. Free speech is part of what our military has faught and died for us to be able to enjoy and practice. This isnt about free speech or oppression when it comes to the NFL though, its a publicity play as is evidenced by the lack of action when the cameras arent rolling.

And lets be brutally honest here - todays society is a much less oppressive one than it was 30 years ago, and the PC crowd makes headway daily still to ensure everyones feelings arent hurt or offended. If these guys want to protest oppression by the "rich white establishment" - ie government/moneymen then lets see them turn down their paychecks which more than likely are coming from rich old white men who probably come from a long line of the people who emphasized what oppression was and helped mold it back in the early 20th century. If you are going to stand for something then STAND THE F*CK UP and go all the way, and not just when ppl are looking.
 
Wow. I said the EXACT same thing. How in the world.......listen...I said that once the company gives permission, that means the company HAS to give permission to protest then they are then under the 1st Amend. No one said the NFL can't stop it. NO ONE. Of course the employer can stop it and it has nothing to do with the 1st Amend...but since the company says yes then it becomes 1st amend when they do it......notice the police are not breaking it up??


You and a few others think the 1st Amend does not apply.....it does....because even though the company says YES the country still ALLOWS IT....

If a company in china said, sure go ahead and protest, the country would still STOP it.

This is my last reply about this nonsense.

You can choose not to respond, but I'm still going to correct your inaccurate point. The 1st Amendment is not applicable to this situation. The 1st Amendment doesn't "turn on" or "turn off" like a switch.

The players don't have the "right" to protest, because the 1st Amendment doesn't deal with private interaction. You admitted yourself that the "right" (i.e. ability) to protest is at the discretion of the owners. Well, rights are not at the discretion of other individuals. You either have the rights, or you don't. This situation is outside the scope of the 1st Amendment.

You simply don't have an understanding of how the law actually works. You are inventing something in your mind, instead of dealing with established legal precedent. You can argue all you want, but your understanding of the nature of the law is simply inaccurate.
 
As a vet, I have a bone in this. I served in the Persian Gulf among other places and seen many things in my lifetime. I loved being in the military and support our country to the fullest. I stand for the flag but i will not talked down on no one who feels differently. It's their own right. If i like the Navy and you like to Army. Are we both wrong? Those who choose to not stand are not loyal to America? Yes they are. Just imagine if Kap didn't kneel. We wouldn't be talking about this at all. He would be home talking about this with his gf or whoever but the nation wouldn't be aware of a situation which we live in. Since he did took a stand, now it's seen. There is injustice and everyone know this. So using his platform has brought the problem to light. I look back to Vietnam War and remember seeing black folks come home to racism and not being treated equally but yet these men fought for this country. I remember the Olympics when those men standing with their fist in the air. Why did they do thst? It's called inequality. When we have a few police officers who murdered people for no reason. People stand up for justice but yet no justice is serve. We, as Americans have to look at things both ways. Do we think black is treated as equal? If your answer is no then you see why Kap kneeled. As Americans, we have been through a lot. Civil War, WW1, WW2, Dust Bowl, Gas shortage, PGW, 9/11, natural disasters and other things. Looking at those things, what happened after that. We UNITED.
Don't be so quick to not open yourself and understand why. Learn and listen.
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There is a right way and a wrong way to do everything.... they are "protesting" in the wrong way.... and all of a sudden.... if this much strong feeling truly exists within these players, then where have their protests been up until now? And what change do they feel this will enact? Whle everyone has the right to protest what they see fit, most do so in a way that actually has a chance of enacting change etc. All these protests are doing is alienating these guys from fans, owners and the people that pay their salary. If they feel this strongly - I ask again - where is the OFF the field action from these passionate protesters? When are they getting in front of the media and cameras when they arent working? What are theyvdoing financially to help further their cause and message? I find it humorous that they ONLY seem to protest during the national anthem before they go play a game and collect another 6 figure pay check.... yet when the lights go off and the game is done, NONE of them go back out to help further the cause......

I fully respect their right to feel as they do, and even protest - but lets get real here - actions speak louder than words and their protest seems quite hollow if this is ALL they chose to do. In all seriousness it comes of more as a tantrum than a protest bc when the spotlight isnt on them, they arent crying out against anything...... I also believe that they shouldnt be trying to force their opinions and causes on the people that basically PAY for their way of life.. ie: owners/fans etc. If any of us used our work as a political platform when our job was not political - there would be ramifications and consequences, and for good reason. Work isnt a soap box to push your own political agendas, its your means to live life and provide for your family etc. These players have lots of money, and ame as professional athletes - why cant they take time out of their week when not working to make their views known and to protest? If they feel this strongly, then WHY are these protests ONLY occuring during the games?

I get where you are coming from, but lets get real - these arent legit protests in the sense of what they are trying to make it out to be. And the irony of the rich protesting oppression is down right funny. There are right ways and wrong ways.. and this way - while within their rights- is NOT doing anything to help anything. If they TRULY want to enact change and TRULY protest oppression, then you and I BOTH know that this isnt worth a f*ck sir. This is just a publicity draw to get an extra 15 seconds of air time on Sundays before they quiet back down and forget how offended they are for the other 6 days of the week. And if you want to argue that, then please bring some evidence of all these players actually going out and organizing and planning actions that will help institute change in policy and everything else.... if you cant, then it furthers my point in its entirety.

Not trying to piss anyone off here, but what I am saying is real. I respect the right to unpopular speech and beliefs, and I know veterans that feel the same. Free speech is part of what our military has faught and died for us to be able to enjoy and practice. This isnt about free speech or oppression when it comes to the NFL though, its a publicity play as is evidenced by the lack of action when the cameras arent rolling.

And lets be brutally honest here - todays society is a much less oppressive one than it was 30 years ago, and the PC crowd makes headway daily still to ensure everyones feelings arent hurt or offended. If these guys want to protest oppression by the "rich white establishment" - ie government/moneymen then lets see them turn down their paychecks which more than likely are coming from rich old white men who probably come from a long line of the people who emphasized what oppression was and helped mold it back in the early 20th century. If you are going to stand for something then STAND THE F*CK UP and go all the way, and not just when ppl are looking.
Longhorn Soldier bringing the wood today. 2 mic drops in the same day?
 
This entire discussion started because of his rant over a private organization that he personally has had decades of disputes and disagreements with.

If it is OK to question players' motives for their actions, is it not fair to question Trump's for his?

Or, are you just admitting that there is no equality?

No, the conversation is about black athletes taking a knee in protest of what they feel is injustice in America. This thread for the most part is on an adult level, civil and without talking politics. If it stays that way, I'll leave it open. If not, I'll lock it. Please keep Trump and politics out of it.
 
As a vet, I have a bone in this. I served in the Persian Gulf among other places and seen many things in my lifetime. I loved being in the military and support our country to the fullest. I stand for the flag but i will not talked down on no one who feels differently. It's their own right. If i like the Navy and you like to Army. Are we both wrong? Those who choose to not stand are not loyal to America? Yes they are. Just imagine if Kap didn't kneel. We wouldn't be talking about this at all. He would be home talking about this with his gf or whoever but the nation wouldn't be aware of a situation which we live in. Since he did took a stand, now it's seen. There is injustice and everyone know this. So using his platform has brought the problem to light. I look back to Vietnam War and remember seeing black folks come home to racism and not being treated equally but yet these men fought for this country. I remember the Olympics when those men standing with their fist in the air. Why did they do thst? It's called inequality. When we have a few police officers who murdered people for no reason. People stand up for justice but yet no justice is serve. We, as Americans have to look at things both ways. Do we think black is treated as equal? If your answer is no then you see why Kap kneeled. As Americans, we have been through a lot. Civil War, WW1, WW2, Dust Bowl, Gas shortage, PGW, 9/11, natural disasters and other things. Looking at those things, what happened after that. We UNITED.
Don't be so quick to not open yourself and understand why. Learn and listen.
GOD BLESS. Now back to UT kicking butt

Well said sir. Very well said.
 
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When we have a few police officers who murdered people for no reason. People stand up for justice but yet no justice is serve.

I guess this is what I was trying to say about protesting being done in the past. When it's done on the streets in communities or in front of city hall etc.. people don't pay attention until violence erupts. Then people come out and say oh look they're burning their own communities or breaking the law. Now there's African American athletes protesting by kneeling to make a point and it's still not the right way but it's non violent and being discussed. I'm not in no way condoning violence I think the people in protests that start riots and crap are ruining the message. I've seen (my own eyes) non violent protest in front of city hall and of course that never gets the air play as one that get's rocks, fires, and shooting's get.
 
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Just imagine if Kap didn't kneel. We wouldn't be talking about this at all. He would be home talking about this with his gf or whoever but the nation wouldn't be aware of a situation which we live in. Since he did took a stand, now it's seen. There is injustice and everyone know this. So using his platform has brought the problem to light.

The problem is, Kaepernick and the other protesters don't have their opinions subjected to critical analysis. Just because protesters claim something, that doesn't make their claims accurate.

For example, you said this:
When we have a few police officers who murdered people for no reason. People stand up for justice but yet no justice is serve.
Well, statement is simply not true. In these cases of police shootings which received national attention, the officers didn't shoot for no reason. There were reasons. Some of those reasons were, legal. Others weren't. But it wasn't a case of an officer saying, "I think I'll kill a black man today." In many of these cases, the reason for the shootings was because the victims were fighting with the officers. That's not an example of oppression or racism. That's an example of an individual disobeying the law and creating a dangerous situation, which ultimately did him in.

The point is, just because these protesters are "speaking out," that doesn't mean their opinions are factually correct, and it doesn't mean their opinions are above criticism. Their opinions and claims, like everyone else's should be critically examined, and not simply taken at face value.
 
The argument that NFL players should not be able to protest during the national anthem, since it's their workplace, doesn't stand. Illogical.

No workplace or any other entity can force you to express something you don't believe. Not in the USA, anyway. That's what NFL owners would be doing if they forced compliance with standing, putting hands on hearts, etc. What about a player who isn't a U.S. citizen?

Tim Tebow wasn't the first person to kneel on a football field and pray, certainly. If you are upset with CK, is it REALLY because he's expressing something at his workplace? I doubt it. It's what he's expressing. Maybe you don't want to admit that blacks & other minorities continue to be killed because of their skin, given lead in their water to drink, and so forth. You wish racism would go away, or rather that people would quit complaining about it. You wish the victims would just suck it up.

Plenty of co-workers of yours are probably expressing their views. In my case, I hear political and religious views sometimes, and a lot more openly than CK or even TT expressed theirs. As long as they're not harassing anyone, it's fine. No one complains, generally. And why should they?

CK is a devout, principled, articulate person who couldn't continue to stand for the national anthem, because of his personal convictions. (See this article about CK & Tim Tebow.)
 
The argument that NFL players should not be able to protest during the national anthem, since it's their workplace, doesn't stand. Illogical.

No workplace or any other entity can force you to express something you don't believe. Not in the USA, anyway.

The NBA actually has a rule prohibiting players from kneeling during the national anthem. Pretty much demolishes this argument.

Maybe you don't want to admit that blacks & other minorities continue to be killed because of their skin, given lead in their water to drink, and so forth. You wish racism would go away, or rather that people would quit complaining about it. You wish the victims would just suck it up.

They aren't being killed because of their skin. When you get shot because you attack a cop, that's not because of your skin color. It's because you made a bad decision and created a dangerous situation. That's got nothing to do with skin color.

What I wish is that people would look at things objectively and rationally and base their opinions on fact, rather than emotion and speculation (and often misinformation).
 
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The argument that NFL players should not be able to protest during the national anthem, since it's their workplace, doesn't stand. Illogical.

No workplace or any other entity can force you to express something you don't believe. Not in the USA, anyway. That's what NFL owners would be doing if they forced compliance with standing, putting hands on hearts, etc. What about a player who isn't a U.S. citizen?

Tim Tebow wasn't the first person to kneel on a football field and pray, certainly. If you are upset with CK, is it REALLY because he's expressing something at his workplace? I doubt it. It's what he's expressing. Maybe you don't want to admit that blacks & other minorities continue to be killed because of their skin, given lead in their water to drink, and so forth. You wish racism would go away, or rather that people would quit complaining about it. You wish the victims would just suck it up.

Plenty of co-workers of yours are probably expressing their views. In my case, I hear political and religious views sometimes, and a lot more openly than CK or even TT expressed theirs. As long as they're not harassing anyone, it's fine. No one complains, generally. And why should they?

CK is a devout, principled, articulate person who couldn't continue to stand for the national anthem, because of his personal convictions. (See this article about CK & Tim Tebow.)


Good points - as is the fact that owners etc should be free to express their displeasure with these activities that are being done while being paid to do a job and therefore firing them, benching them or disciplining them. You are absolutely right, an employer cant tell people to not express their views and beliefs, but they can choose to no longer employ those who do so and disrupt the flow of the business. When someone expressing themselves interferes with the daily operations of a business, they cease to be a productive member of the team so to speak, and become a distraction.

This is expanded with these players bc both the teams and the league have set standards for conduct in regards to their participation as a paid athlete in the NFL. All the players, Im sure, signed a contract that explained said policies and expectations of both the league and the teams themselves. As a matter of fact there are set rules and regulations that specifically speak on the players being present and standing for the National Anthem, and by choosing to not do so, they are technically violating league policy and could theoretically be terminated for breach of contract and disregard of set league standards and policies.

Bottom line, whether you agree or disagree with these actions, is that the workplace is NOT the place to be making political statements. It neer has been and never will be unless your job lies within the political world. Also, it has STILL yet to be addressed that they only seem to protest when the lights go on and they are in the spotlight... not on their own time using their own influence. Like it or not, their actions reflect upon the governing body of the NFL and stands to tarnish the reputation of the league more so than it already is, especially when they CHOOSE to not protest on their own free time. And that last part is what bothers me most - they dont do it on their own time... just for a cpl minutes one day a week.. that doesnt sound like outrage or dedication. This would be a totally different animal if the players bonded together and pushed their protests in venues and times that werent only during game days, but it isnt. How is ANYONE supposed to take this seriously when they only seem to care enough to protest in such a miniscule window of time? They have deep pockets and vast influence as professional athletes, yet they choose to use NONE of that to protest this great issue they have feelings about. Sounds more like a play for attention and less like a serious desire to actually do anything productive.

I dont care if they play poker during the National Anthem if they choose to, but this "protest" garbage is stupid. Admit it - 3 minutes a week where they just kneel etc and foret about the cause the other 6 days 23 hours and 57 minutes of the week is not a very convincing cry for change. MOST of these guys already didnt pay much attention during the national anthem anyways before all of this, and you could sit back and watch old tape where these guys are laughing and dicking off on the sidelines while the anthem is playing..... what were they protesting then, no free hotdogs? AT best this is an attention grab, and at worst this is a poor choice of a power play by athletes against the current head of the NFL, who we all kow is fairly hated by most players, coaches and even the owners. If this was REALLY something they felt this strongly about then they would be doing a LOT more to make their voices heard.

And again, I dont care if they stand or not - that is their RIGHT - but just bc it is your right to do something, it doesnt mean that it wont come with consequences and ramifications. They could be fired or fined, and have absolutely NO ROOM to argue what came down on them... may not seem fair, but since when has life been fair to anyone really? Rules are rules, and when these guys signed those contracts, they agreed to those rules - if they choose not to follow them - which is their RIGHT - then they should be prepared for the fall out of what will come.
 
The NBA actually has a rule prohibiting players from kneeling during the national anthem. Pretty much demolishes this argument.

You actually believe that everyone is guilty because the law officer says he guilty? Camera footage has shown differently on many occasions.


They aren't being killed because of their skin. When you get shot because you attack a cop, that's not because of your skin color. It's because you made a bad decision and created a dangerous situation. That's got nothing to do with skin color.

What I wish is that people would look at things objectively and rationally and base their opinions on fact, rather than emotion and speculation (and often misinformation).
 
I was just fixing to comment that the only thing missing from this thread is the Obligatory "OU SUCKS"
 
The NBA actually has a rule prohibiting players from kneeling during the national anthem. Pretty much demolishes this argument.

They aren't being killed because of their skin. When you get shot because you attack a cop, that's not because of your skin color. It's because you made a bad decision and created a dangerous situation. That's got nothing to do with skin color.

What I wish is that people would look at things objectively and rationally and base their opinions on fact, rather than emotion and speculation (and often misinformation).
If that's true, all it would take is an NBA player willing to take them to court. There's no way that would stand. My employer can make me take a drug test, but they can't force me to hold a certain political belief. If you're correct about the NBA, that's what they're doing.

As for people being killed by cops, the stats tell a different story. Blacks who are shot to death by police are more than twice as likely to be unarmed as whites shot to death by cops, according to a study from 2015 of those KBC (killed by cop).
  • 32% of KBC-blacks had no weapon, compared to
  • 25% of unarmed KBC-Latinos, vs.
  • 15% of unarmed KBC-whites
No one is saying that cops are putting together lynch mobs. That's just a straw man. What CK and BLM and concerned whites like myself are saying is that this keeps happening with police officers who resort to deadly force way too easily, and that the race of the victim clearly has something to do with it. The data support this, no matter what year you pick. Also, these cops keep getting paid leave, with no conviction to follow.

Yes, I wish you and others would look at things rationally, and base your opinions on facts. But let's keep things civil, shall we?
 
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If that's true, all it would take is an NBA player willing to take them to court. There's no way that would stand. My employer can make me take a drug test, but they can't force me to hold a certain political belief. If you're correct about the NBA, that's what they're doing.

As for people being killed by cops, the stats tell a different story. Blacks who are shot to death by police are more than twice as likely to be unarmed as whites shot to death by cops, according to a study from 2015 of those KBC (killed by cop).
  • 32% of KBC-blacks had no weapon, compared to
  • 25% of unarmed KBC-Latinos, vs.
  • 15% of unarmed KBC-whites
No one is saying that cops are putting together lynch mobs. That's just a straw man. What CK and BLM and concerned whites like myself are saying is that this keeps happening with police officers who resort to deadly force way too easily, and that the race of the victim clearly has something to do with it. The data support this, no matter what year you pick. Also, these cops keep getting paid leave, with no conviction to follow.

Yes, I wish you and others would look at things rationally, and base your opinions on facts. But let's keep things civil, shall we?

There are more circumstances surrounding these shootings than just race.
 
If that's true, all it would take is an NBA player willing to take them to court. There's no way that would stand. My employer can make me take a drug test, but they can't force me to hold a certain political belief. If you're correct about the NBA, that's what they're doing.

As for people being killed by cops, the stats tell a different story. Blacks who are shot to death by police are more than twice as likely to be unarmed as whites shot to death by cops, according to a study from 2015 of those KBC (killed by cop).
  • 32% of KBC-blacks had no weapon, compared to
  • 25% of unarmed KBC-Latinos, vs.
  • 15% of unarmed KBC-whites
No one is saying that cops are putting together lynch mobs. That's just a straw man. What CK and BLM and concerned whites like myself are saying is that this keeps happening with police officers who resort to deadly force way too easily, and that the race of the victim clearly has something to do with it. The data support this, no matter what year you pick. Also, these cops keep getting paid leave, with no conviction to follow.

Yes, I wish you and others would look at things rationally, and base your opinions on facts. But let's keep things civil, shall we?

Do you have stats of blacks killing other blacks?
 
If that's true, all it would take is an NBA player willing to take them to court. There's no way that would stand. My employer can make me take a drug test, but they can't force me to hold a certain political belief. If you're correct about the NBA, that's what they're doing.

As for people being killed by cops, the stats tell a different story. Blacks who are shot to death by police are more than twice as likely to be unarmed as whites shot to death by cops, according to a study from 2015 of those KBC (killed by cop).
  • 32% of KBC-blacks had no weapon, compared to
  • 25% of unarmed KBC-Latinos, vs.
  • 15% of unarmed KBC-whites
No one is saying that cops are putting together lynch mobs. That's just a straw man. What CK and BLM and concerned whites like myself are saying is that this keeps happening with police officers who resort to deadly force way too easily, and that the race of the victim clearly has something to do with it. The data support this, no matter what year you pick. Also, these cops keep getting paid leave, with no conviction to follow.

Yes, I wish you and others would look at things rationally, and base your opinions on facts. But let's keep things civil, shall we?

You have a variety of errors in your post.

-The NBA's rule isn't speculation on my part. The league has a rule that specifically requires the players stand during the anthem. They aren't allowed to kneel. And yes, it would absolutely stand up on court. That's because the NBA isn't forcing them to hold a political belief. The NBA is simply prohibiting the players from taking a course of action that would damage the company.

-The statistics you are quoting are not indicative of racial bias. You are leaving out a variety of other factors. The law does not require that a suspect be armed for an officer to use deadly force. You are also refusing to acknowledge one key element. The possibly exists that blacks might disproportionately die in altercations with police, because they might be more violent with police. You have examine that possibility, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you.

-Race is NOT clearly a factor in these police shootings. There are plenty of contributing factors. Let's just look a few of the high profile incidents. Michael Brown wasn't killed because of his skin color. He was killed while he was assaulting a police officer. Eric Garner (who wasn't shot) died of a heart attack while resisting arrest. Alton Sterling was also killed while assaulting police officers and resisting arrest. That's not an issue with race. That's an issue with individuals making bad choices and putting themselves in dangerous situations.

-The reason many of these officers aren't convicted for these shootings is because what they did was not illegal. This is why I argued with you about the 1st Amendment issue earlier. You don't understand how the law actually works. You just make up in your mind what you think the law should be. You can't do that. You have to deal with the law as it actually is, whether you like it or not.

Under the law, the police are given a fairly wide latitude when it comes to the use of deadly force. In the cases of Michael Brown and Alton Sterling that I mentioned, those cases clearly fall under that scope of latitude. Again, you may not agree with the law, but that's how it actually works.

Now, in other circumstances, officers are punished when they go beyond that latitude. The officer who killed Walter Scott in South Carolina got 50 years in jail. However, here's something you didn't know. Just last year, a white man in South Carolina was also killed running from the police, much like Walter Scott. The officer wasn't charged. So, a black man was killed, the officer got 50 years. A white man was killed, the officer got no charge. Also, two years ago a white teenager was killed by police. The officer again was not charged.

See how your racial theory breaks down when you actually look at all the facts, and not cherrypicked examples that get hyped up by the media?
 
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Well, you falsely claimed I made errors in my post, and then began by claiming I said something I hadn't said. Is that civil?

People on this board know, I think, that I've been pretty level-headed. I've shown on OB that I'm willing to forgive an unintentional insult if it results from a misunderstanding. But what you did was to misinform, yet project that others are misinforming, to try to score points.

Not cool.
 
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Wow, Tiger, you are not a good reader, are you?
You are a very good poster. Don't get pulled down in the mud. I know it is very frustrating to write one thing and be told you wrote something else.
 
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Protesting against racism and police brutality is absolutely the right thing to do. However, the national anthem and the flag of the United States of America do not represent, condone, or promote either of those things. The United States government does not represent, promote, or condone racism or police brutality against its citizenry.

Players protesting by kneeling or sitting while the national anthem is being played is entirely misplaced. Saying that you are not protesting the national anthem while taking a knee during the national anthem does not make any sense.
 
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U.S. Citizenship Rights (some of) - captured from USCIS website
  • Freedom to express yourself.
  • Freedom to worship as you wish.
  • Freedom to pursue “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”
U.S. Citizenship Responsibilities (some of)- captured from USCIS website
  • Support and defend the Constitution.
  • Stay informed of the issues affecting your community.
  • Participate in the democratic process.
  • Respect and obey federal, state, and local laws.
  • Respect the rights, beliefs, and opinions of others.
  • Participate in your local community.
  • Defend the country if the need should arise.
These athletes have the right to do what they did. The president did not act responsibly by disrespecting their rights. Not a healthy precedent to set

This wave of misplaced nationalism is no different from religious persecution and intolerance.
Respect people first. Then symbols like the flag and the anthem.
 
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